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Post by TonyV on Apr 18, 2011 8:38:23 GMT -5
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Post by bo862 on Apr 22, 2011 1:35:47 GMT -5
The loss in government revenues, just from 8 of these companies, was over 50 Billion (how much were they bickering over in the budget showdown a few weeks ago?). These companies use our police, fire, judicial system, roads and everything else governments pays for. Why should they be exempt from paying their dues to society? If they don’t want to participate in one of the largest economies fine, sell your crap somewhere else… that will make room for another company here in the U.S. that will pay taxes.
I don’t care if you receive it in the form of a welfare check, IRS check, or tax loopholes, all of this is a form of welfare.
Before you go jumping the gun to “give them more money… they will create jobs!” keep in mind that we are still over 10% unemployment, and these same (or similar) tax breaks have been around since W.
It blows my mind; politicians want to take welfare away from people that live with little or nothing in order to give welfare to Billion Dollar industries.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Apr 22, 2011 9:33:50 GMT -5
.......no, is not welfare!..... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "CORPORATE TAX!" Companies never,never get TAXED thats a fucking Myth that Democrats hope that their retarded voters would believe! You and I pay for it.....That $50 Billion would have been from the consumer.....Corporations/Companines/businesses are just Tax collectors for the government.....If the government raise Taxes on coporations(Democrats would be dancing in the streets like dumbasses), they will just sell their products or services at a higher prices! This is fucking Economincs 101....
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Post by sanjay on Apr 22, 2011 15:29:05 GMT -5
jobs1 you need to read economics's for dummies
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Apr 22, 2011 16:37:21 GMT -5
Once again,and I'll be a little more specific..... now that I,m on my computer and not my Cellular device typing..... corporations do not pay the corporate income tax, because they are not human beings. Instead, that tax always is fully passed to one or all of three groups of human beings: to customers(most of the time is cosumers) through higher prices, to shareholders through lower returns on capital, or to employees through lower take-home pay.....Under fierce global competition, the potential of shifting corporate taxes to customers often is limited(they can only raise products and services a certain amount). Similarly, in a global capital market, the corporate tax cannot easily be shifted to capital owners(shareholders/investers who have the option of taking their fucking money. elsewhere(another company). ....so the bulk of the corporate income tax is shifted back to the employees. "Liberals, in particular, should therefore favor the abolition of the corporate income taxes....if they would only pick up a economic book and read".....Ford can only raise the price of the new escape to a certain level.....Ford is kissing the shareholders asses, so they don't take their money out of ford, so who's left for the Escape to be profitable?
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Post by marcus on Apr 23, 2011 8:34:13 GMT -5
Great post jobs1st!
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Post by bo862 on Apr 24, 2011 2:42:17 GMT -5
That argument sounds reasonable only if one company pays increased taxes. If they all pay the same percent, they will have the same costs. If the cost becomes unreasonable, the companies will go out of business, and others will take its place and provide an affordable product. That is Capitalism right. The best business model wins.
If all companies pay the same tax… shareholders would not make any gains just by switching to another company that pays the same tax. If someone doesn’t like the returns on their investment, they can always take their money to the boat. This is America invest how you want.
Not sure where you came up with this one, but companies will always pay employees as little as they can. They do not need an excuse of taxes to pay you less.
Any foreign companies can pay the same percent on all profits made in the U.S. to make a level playing field for everyone.
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Post by marcus on Apr 24, 2011 8:27:15 GMT -5
We pay the tax people,if they raise tax on fast food or gas or a new car whatever it is WE PAY IT.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Apr 24, 2011 20:39:40 GMT -5
wow you are slow.....a.g.a.i.n.......lets do it the see spot run, see spot jump method....
..Who ends up paying the Corporate Taxes? Corporation or human being?
.....The corporate income tax has always been the darling of the socialist left. For this retarded group.... whose true goal is to transfer increasing amounts of revenue from private to government control..... it may be the perfect tax. It gives these self-proclaimed champions of the downtrodden a way to tax the very constituency they claim to represent, while leading that constituency( or those dumbasses).... to believe the tax is being imposed on its ....oppressors(corporations).... Indeed, corporate taxes are the most dishonest taxes used by any level of government....
Corporations pay no taxes not because of the fucking loopholes and special breaks ....or because of the sophistication of large multinational corporations in shifting profits to countries with lower tax rates)...... It is because corporations can’t pay taxes. All taxes, corporate or otherwise, must come out of some real human being's pocket.
........Corporate taxes are hidden and fraudulent.......The people who pay them do not know they pay them, and thus such taxes help mask the actual cost of government. .....If it is true that companies are finding ways to avoid these taxes and less revenue is being generated, then we should fucking cheer those companies on........Retards, who are for big government have no better friend than a tax that everyone thinks someone else pays.
......hell, I don't even want to get into, who pays all of the SSI tax(if you think we only pay 6.2, think again...we pay the other 6.2 also.......and these same retarded left wants to increase SSI tax on corporation.....what fucking morans!....another thread maybe...
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Post by bo862 on Apr 25, 2011 0:43:16 GMT -5
With a corporate tax we have to pay for this increase when we purchase an item.
Without a corporate tax, the government must make up for the loss of income from somewhere. If the corporations don't pay, that leaves us to pay their share. So now everyone is going to pay that tax whether we buy that product our not.
Let the human who purchases the product pay that tax by having corporate tax; not the whole of society equally paying corporations share of taxes.
What is it called when you collect money from a general population to pay someone elses bills that do not contribute to that program? Normally it is called welfare, in this case it is corporate welfare.
Make the corporation pay their share, they can pass the cost to whoever they do business with - customers investors, or employees. Not every human
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Apr 25, 2011 8:36:16 GMT -5
Well, unless you are living in a cave, with no material things ,maybe...."if not", we all pay!
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