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Post by ktp399 on Jul 21, 2011 17:28:31 GMT -5
Amazing that some of the plant gets them for what ever reason the company decides to give them for. Same ol shit around here. Company does what they want when they want. Union sits back and say "They can do that".
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Post by ctopher on Jul 21, 2011 21:47:38 GMT -5
Well on chassis it's not that bad. It could be worse, we could be 45 feet to the right in utrim were it's really hot according to the wet bulb test and union and getting extra breaks.
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Post by chicabonita on Jul 21, 2011 21:50:08 GMT -5
Where are the union reps? According to tonight's wet bulb test (whatever that is) you guys should be getting heat breaks. I think it's time to start falling out. Fuck em...
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Post by ktp399 on Jul 21, 2011 21:56:31 GMT -5
I don't see how there is that much difference between chassis and u trim.
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Post by JoePieper on Jul 21, 2011 22:35:44 GMT -5
Body was even worse. No heat breaks and we don't have the option of wearing shorts or short sleeves. One person on my team ended up in medical.
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Post by Jr on Jul 21, 2011 22:58:11 GMT -5
The Wet Bulb test is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 21, 2011 23:04:28 GMT -5
This is how fucked up this place is,the boxline got (3) 15 minute heat breaks but nobody else in body got the extra breaks? ?WTFWe all wear long sleeves and long pants,So my only thought is they cant call 10 hours over on closures like they can on boxline.So they give us extra breaks but we pay for it by going 10 hours!!!What a bunch of fucks.Seems like the union would of got the closure teams the extra breaks but I guess they really dont give a fuck~~~~~~
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Post by ctopher on Jul 21, 2011 23:24:12 GMT -5
It's hard for the union to care. They are in air-conditioning. But hey keep voting them in. They care.
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Post by ktpdriveoff on Jul 22, 2011 1:26:50 GMT -5
Top this one, half of a team got the heat breaks and half didn't! Union's presence was requested, suprise NO ONE showed up. Haven't seen any union since a month before shut down. The break area was 108 degrees at startup tonight.
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Post by 24vic on Jul 22, 2011 5:51:04 GMT -5
should be called wet ball test
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Post by Jr on Jul 22, 2011 10:22:42 GMT -5
Nice Cool 72 Where I'm at Vic
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Post by whiner862 on Jul 22, 2011 16:48:24 GMT -5
Um, If I am not misstaken you have all new Reps on B crew the body voted all new people in, yet you still bitch and moan about the Reps, why dont some of you run for the job if you think you can get what you need from the company?
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Post by JoePieper on Jul 22, 2011 22:37:29 GMT -5
Wet bulb test read 84.1 in plasma booth. The thermometer we have in there says 96.3 with 55% humidity. Unfortunately the wet bulb test is contractual so that should be changed to a reading of actual temp plus relative humidity. Just my opinion.
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Post by marcus on Jul 22, 2011 23:20:27 GMT -5
So it must have to be 110 to get heat breaks then
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 23, 2011 0:32:29 GMT -5
Hey whiner what do you mean BODY voted in new reps???I didnt know we voted committee people in by dept.?New one on me.Still when we bitch and moan its really at the union as a whole not just a certain individual.PLus do you work in the body shop?/If not why does what we say or do on here affect you??BUTT OUT
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Post by whiner862 on Jul 25, 2011 16:03:36 GMT -5
Metalman, the heat or the medal that you work with must have gone to your head. Because if you read it again and think real hard in that small mind of yours, I am talking about THE body you . The membership!!!!! If you can't keep up with the conversation, I suggest that you don't right anything else on here. because you looik like The Best person I've Ever seen! And the people talking here where just not from the body shop if you cared to read everyone's post. And last time I checked this was an open free site! And lastly, its people like you that has dragged this Union down always talking shit to your buddies and on here and never having the balls to hit the company with it... And if you haven't figured it out you, we all of us are the UNION!!!! not just the Reps. This Union was strong as hell years ago, when everyone stood up and said what was on their mind to the company, instead of whinning to your Rep 24/7 We ALL make that difference not 20 or so people out of 4,500 people. When are all of you going to get it and stop being so DAMN spoiled
Modified Because Of Name Calling. Jr.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 25, 2011 17:00:24 GMT -5
Good job Jr...keep the people in check.
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Post by Jr on Jul 25, 2011 17:07:21 GMT -5
Gotta do something with all My Time.......Lol
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Post by justmefornow on Jul 25, 2011 17:23:31 GMT -5
;DI for one have always stood up and made myself heard...I don't call the union unless I can't handle things myself but seems like when I do it's the same ol' same ol'. I'm not calling anybody out either just seems like either way I go...it's "time off" or "deal with it". So it doesn't really matter if you call the reps or deal with it on your own you're never gonna get a straight answer. Just my 2 cents worth....again!!!
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Post by justmefornow on Jul 25, 2011 17:35:37 GMT -5
When it comes to the heat....go to medical!!!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 25, 2011 23:06:34 GMT -5
No what brought the union down was dumbass people that dont even have a high school education.And cant even spell correctly.Sorta Get It?
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Post by marcus on Jul 26, 2011 9:03:01 GMT -5
Education has nothing to do with it.I know many people that have years collage are not real bright in the real world or dont even have any sense.
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Post by theycandothat on Jul 26, 2011 9:46:17 GMT -5
why is ktp the only plant to use wet bulb testing for heat breaks?
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Post by lewis on Jul 26, 2011 10:46:22 GMT -5
Because "theycandothat"! Actually I would like to hear that answer too! Oh that's right we don't deserve any answers! As to the workers right across from you getting a heat break or better yet half the team gets A break and half the team doesn't, well that's just piss poor union representation! If one fights the heat then everyone should!
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Post by TonyV on Jul 26, 2011 11:00:16 GMT -5
The wet bulb test was used at LAP when I was there before they cut out a shift. I felt the same frustration on the wire job in trim while I worked next to heaters.
The union can only enforce a contract that is in place. It appears that contract changes may be in order to better this problem. We cannot blame the union for the heat or the tests that are used under this agreement.
We can, however, ask that they make changes to what test is used in the next contract. I believe that a temperature with a humidity reading is necessary. But the wet bulb test is effected by fans, operator of the test and environment also.(Making the results questionable to the membership)
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Post by whiner862 on Jul 26, 2011 17:17:28 GMT -5
Metalman you really just don't get it. You have to go and bring in peoples educations. I will have you know that half of the men that were in these factories before us did not have a 12 grade education, including my father. But they had more balls, and could work circles around people in these plants today. They didn't have Health & Safety, ERGO, Nematic guns, 3 Fans for every job, but you know what they fought the COMPANY, not each other, so stop blaming the Union for everything. If you didn't have this Union, that you bitch about all the time you and half of the other people would have been fired long ago. Put suggestions in for National and Local Proposals, be part of the solution, don't always be the problem.
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Post by whiner862 on Jul 26, 2011 17:18:21 GMT -5
And i hope that Jr. does not have to edit me anymore. LOL
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 26, 2011 22:57:47 GMT -5
This is the last reply on the heat breaks from me it seems childish to go back and fourth,but YOU dont get it whiner862, Ive worked in this shit hole everyday Ive been here 10yrs.in trim,6 in body.And I can work with anybody in here.(Including you)Thats not the point,when they do the wet bulb test we dont even have a union rep. onsite with them!Did you know security does the test?WTF?Dont you think someone could be on location with them?What the fuck do we pay 56.00 a month for?And for your info my father worked at philip morris 41 fuckin yrs. so I know all about the people that helped us get the things we have.Im grateful,But they also had a different breed of union reps. the ones that would stand next to you and fight with you!!!Bottom line is the floor workers dont stand together!!!!!And as far as being fired its never happened in 47yrs and Ive work since I was 17 so doubt if it s gonna happen union or not!
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Post by whiner862 on Jul 27, 2011 16:15:33 GMT -5
Well we agree on one thing, people on the floor don't stick together. Your Reps can only be at so many places at once, since everyone has to see their rep every day. they should only be on the floor when there is a contractual issue going on with a person or an area, NOT just so everyone can just see them to look at them. If they are on floor everyday they loose credability when they deal with management, thats all I am saying. Look at some of the old Committee guys before I hired in back in 93. You never ever seen those old guys everyday, BUT, when you had a real, real issue, not this bullshit people cry about these days, real issue they came out and management got nervous because they were on the floor. These days its just like another person coming and asking managment for a favor, so the Rep has no teeth anymore. That is all that I am trying to explain, yes you are right there should be a Rep with Security when they do those tests. And yes i knew that security did the tests, they always have they are suppose to be bias.
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Post by Jr on Jul 27, 2011 16:23:04 GMT -5
Your Reps can only be at so many places at once, since everyone has to see their rep every day. they should only be on the floor when there is a contractual issue going on with a person or an area, NOT just so everyone can just see them to look at them. If they are on floor everyday they loose credability when they deal with management, thats all I am saying. I agree with everything but this. They don't loose credability being on the floor, They loose it making Back door deals and Not standing up to Management.
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