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Post by lap65 on Jul 29, 2011 10:12:12 GMT -5
But we have all seen a fat signing bonus get everyone lined up for a contract. The definition of "fat" has changed over the last 7 years since we have gotten a big "fat" zero on the last couple of contracts.
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Post by rclap on Jul 29, 2011 16:03:02 GMT -5
Here's my two cents worth re: the contract:
1. SETTLE THE GRIEVANCE.
2. Reinstate COLA.
3. Yearly hourly wage increase.
4. X-mas bonus reinstated and upped to $1,000.
5. Bring back the the dependent scholarship program. ($1500 per year per eligible child)
This would include no changes/reductions to any of our current benefits/insurance.
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Post by lap65 on Jul 29, 2011 16:41:32 GMT -5
I would be happy with cola & yearly hourly raises with no changes or reductions otherwise. Unfortunately from what I am reading they want no yearly hourly raises & want to up our health benefits resonsibilty substantially. I think we will be operating under our old agreement for a long time because I dont see anything that does not restore at least some wage increases with absolutely NO more concessions of any kind even coming close to passing. We knocked down a barrier of fear last time when we voted no that I think will be hard for them to build back.
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Post by brenteskridge on Jul 29, 2011 18:50:02 GMT -5
This is a great posting and we all are on the same page or at least I feel we are. The one thing that I will strongly press upon them along with all that has been said on here is to STOP OPENING THE CONTRACT. We have a contract for 4 years and if the company wants to try to change something then they can wait until then. Just my two cents.
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Post by justmefornow on Jul 29, 2011 19:54:08 GMT -5
You can say that again Brent!!! They can give us whatever we want but then open it and take it back like they have done in the past...Don't let them do it!!!!!
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Post by Oliver Klosoff on Aug 1, 2011 6:58:01 GMT -5
Since we have visitors in the plant and my odds of seeing one of them is probably on the low side, I figured I would throw out an ideal of mine and anyone else who likes it can pass it on to our visitors if they happen to see one. Now, let me first say that I personally want COLA back and will vote no on any proposal that does not include it. With that said, we all know there are many out there who will vote yes for other terms, so the reality is we could end up stuck with the company not increasing wages and instead giving us this "larger profit sharing" agenda they keep pushing in the media. All I know is it wouldn't be the first time something that I personally voted "No" on passes with the rest of the membership. So, in the event that a larger profit sharing is the best that the union can bring to us and the membership happens to vote it in, I think the least we could ask for is that there be a change in the terms of how we are paid our "share". The company reports earnings by the quarter, so why not pay us our profit sharing by the quarter. Pay 1st quarter profit sharing in April, 2nd quarter profit sharing in July and so on. I think March of next year is way to long to wait for some of the pay I earned in January of the year prior. If the company is allowed to tie "more of our pay" to profit sharing, I think it's rediculous we will have to wait upto 14 months to receive some of our earnings we have worked for. As I mentioned, I personally prefer COLA and/or raises rather than this increased profit sharing business, but in the event a larger profit sharing passes, I don't want to be sitting around forever waiting for my money.
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Post by tcap89 on Aug 1, 2011 8:27:35 GMT -5
You can say that again Brent!!! They can give us whatever we want but then open it and take it back like they have done in the past...Don't let them do it!!!!! Another thing I do not want to see is a contract with a lot of blanks to be filled in later. Negotiate the contract First-Then we vote on it. Not the other way around.
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Post by PUNISHER on Aug 1, 2011 9:45:02 GMT -5
1) equity of sacrifice grievance settled 2) signing bonus of at least 5000 3) cola reinstated 4) at least 1.5% raise each year of the contract 5) christmas bonus reinstated & (imo upped to 1000) 6) absolutely no re-opening the contract for the life of the contract 7) quarterly payout for profit sharing reported per quarter
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Post by lap65 on Aug 1, 2011 10:17:25 GMT -5
And...somehow structure the profit sharing so that it is not considered a bonus & we have to give half of it to the govt.
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Post by kbrundag on Aug 1, 2011 11:07:26 GMT -5
Great idea lap65 considering any "bonuses" will most likely be in lieu of any pay raises. It really is a good point when considering the tax end of the equation... Just for the sake of arguement, consider what will put more in our pocket a nominal raise and cost of living, let's say $2.00 hr or a $5,000.00 signing bonus, Profit sharing, Performance bonus?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Aug 1, 2011 12:05:22 GMT -5
But in all honesty...what does it really matter. Even if they give us everything we want to get it passed, they open it back up 9 months later to take it all away before we ever get the first raise. Just a thought from Mr. Semi-positive...
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Post by kbrundag on Aug 1, 2011 13:14:11 GMT -5
I feel we will get a low ball the first time around. IUAW knows they will get a NO vote the first time. They will hit with the "real" contract the second time. Everyone gives a little, everyone gets a little... We will all think we got a better deal after the NO vote, The contract passes the second time and all is right with the world...
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Post by dave7293 on Aug 1, 2011 14:01:54 GMT -5
Kwmj Love that ideal....I'm with you without COLA Im voting no but really like your Ideal on Profit sharing.
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Post by ronniebass on Aug 1, 2011 17:42:34 GMT -5
Did anyone see the V.P. today? Was wondering if he was in the plant today or not. Hope the membership gets a chance to tell him what we want to get this contract through.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Aug 1, 2011 19:20:01 GMT -5
Hope he made it out there today...tomorrow gonna be too hot.
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Post by mrlandry on Aug 1, 2011 21:29:56 GMT -5
If (more like when) we do go to a system of bonuses/profit sharing in lieu of raises, it definitely needs to be paid quarterly. Waiting til the end of the year allows them to calculate the notorious "one time charge" so they can show a lower profit.
They'll be less inclined to do that 2 or 3 times a yr. Also, we know how quickly this industry can turn. You could have 3 great quarters and then 1 lousy quarter could wipe it all out. I say pay it when the quarterly earnings are announced.
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Post by mulewrong on Aug 1, 2011 23:26:15 GMT -5
Brother Settles, and crew were in Pre - Delivery about 10:45 pm what did we tell him??
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Post by bluelu on Aug 2, 2011 2:21:03 GMT -5
The hell with Bob King. He wants us to do a bonuses/profit sharing in lieu of raises. Ford wont even come clean with the union now with the equity of sacifice. They wont give us there financial statement now.Why the fuck would we trust ford in the future. Ford lies and the union swears to it. We have a ceo and Bill Ford that made over 110 million in bonuses and we have a union with 40 thousand members that made 200 miliion in bonuses. WTF
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