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Post by cal50 on Jun 13, 2014 18:48:26 GMT -5
With Michigan allowing opting out in 2015 and other states having right to work laws taking effect will you opt out or continue paying dues ? I feel the IUAW represents itself #1 and has long forgotten the workers that actually pay the dues.
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Post by nra4life on Jun 13, 2014 20:04:09 GMT -5
Be aware that the union will release a name of everyone that opts out, a so called "free loader" list. Typical union bullying tactics. They wont put a name with their vote but sure will tack your name ln a list for not contributing to their slush fund...uh i mean union dues.
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Post by cal50 on Jun 13, 2014 20:40:20 GMT -5
I would expect nothing less......
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Post by rrisley on Jun 13, 2014 21:14:04 GMT -5
Be aware that the union will release a name of everyone that opts out, a so called "free loader" list. Typical union bullying tactics. They wont put a name with their vote but sure will tack your name ln a list for not contributing to their slush fund...uh i mean union dues. Well if you benefit one iota from what the union does and don't pay dues wouldn't that make you a freeloader?
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Post by cal50 on Jun 13, 2014 21:34:39 GMT -5
Be aware that the union will release a name of everyone that opts out, a so called "free loader" list. Typical union bullying tactics. They wont put a name with their vote but sure will tack your name ln a list for not contributing to their slush fund...uh i mean union dues. Well if you benefit one iota from what the union does and don't pay dues wouldn't that make you a freeloader? If you worked for the UAW and paid by the UAW then yes. Since we work for Ford and paid by Ford its no. With UAW representation our wages and benefits have been going backwards for the past several years. The UAW should be using some of the dues money from the members for the members.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 21:48:58 GMT -5
Well if you benefit one iota from what the union does and don't pay dues wouldn't that make you a freeloader? If you worked for the UAW and paid by the UAW then yes. Since we work for Ford and paid by Ford its no. With UAW representation our wages and benefits have been going backwards for the past several years. The UAW should be using some of the dues money from the members for the members. Exactly! Like I said before, this is no longer a union, its a Cult. Im opting out if this next International contract doesn't give us anything back.
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Post by laptier2 on Jun 14, 2014 0:36:42 GMT -5
Am I happy with the current situation regarding our union NO, but there's no way in hell I'm gonna "opt out"!!!
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Post by ccrewdummie on Jun 14, 2014 8:17:47 GMT -5
I have been talking to a lot of people about the union and RTW.... So many mixed emotions on this topic. So I went a step further and asked the Supervisors what they thought. They want the union here because with out them everyone's pay would drop including theirs because Ford will only pay them a percentage above the average paid employee. As I have stated before. I have never worked in a union environment so I couldn't see the benefits of being in a union. I have a different view now. Even though the union appears to suck the benefits of having them out weigh the bad. So now it's about perspectives rather then emotion
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Post by elmer on Jun 14, 2014 8:49:37 GMT -5
I have to say NO we must change things from the inside by voting, only half voted at LAP last election. We have some good people at LAP. Fred Willard Jamie Burk, and Angie Golden are as good a rep as we can get but only half voted.
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Post by rrisley on Jun 14, 2014 19:18:18 GMT -5
I have to say NO we must change things from the inside by voting, only half voted at LAP last election. We have some good people at LAP. Fred Willard Jamie Burk, and Angie Golden are as good a rep as we can get but only half voted. it's all about participation.
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Post by cal50 on Jun 14, 2014 20:18:12 GMT -5
I have to say NO we must change things from the inside by voting, only half voted at LAP last election. We have some good people at LAP. Fred Willard Jamie Burk, and Angie Golden are as good a rep as we can get but only half voted. The IUAW is the ones not listening. Several locals have really good people / reps in place, its the IUAW that does what they want. I feel the membership is getting double teamed from the company AND the union. I expect the run around from the companies perspective but in recent times the IUAW has been the one playing games with transfers, job bids and turning a blind eye for existing contract language not enforced. The IUAW has only themselves to blame if people opt out.
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Post by noneoftheabove on Jun 14, 2014 20:25:05 GMT -5
If you want more people to vote it needs to be more easily accessible!!! Most don't vote because they don't want to take more time out of their 10.5 hr days.. Put voting machines in cafeteria or rent voting trailers in the parking lot..I'm a ql and can guarantee atleast 15 of my people would vote because I would do their job so they would!!!
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Post by elmer on Jun 15, 2014 1:06:57 GMT -5
I agree voting could be made more accessible C-crew had a hard time getting to vote. changes need to be made but we've got to make it where the people vote for the IUAW Leader, not some groups who are promised nice jobs and other perks!!! One person One vote seems to work well everywhere else. Also letting retirees vote on issues that take money out of the working members pockets is just pure bullshit! no more ranting tonight I'm little drunk and got to work tonight..
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Post by whiskerfish1 on Jun 15, 2014 12:57:01 GMT -5
I am not pleased with our union right now but there is no way I want this to be a right to work state !!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 18:05:43 GMT -5
I have to say NO we must change things from the inside by voting, only half voted at LAP last election. We have some good people at LAP. Fred Willard Jamie Burk, and Angie Golden are as good a rep as we can get but only half voted. The IUAW is the ones not listening. Several locals have really good people / reps in place, its the IUAW that does what they want. I feel the membership is getting double teamed from the company AND the union. I expect the run around from the companies perspective but in recent times the IUAW has been the one playing games with transfers, job bids and turning a blind eye for existing contract language not enforced. The IUAW has only themselves to blame if people opt out. That's where I wish Todd Dunn would grow a set of balls and tell the IUAW how we feel and stop being a douche canoe and saying "OK" to everything the IUAW wants. Even his interviews on TV, he stands behind International.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 18:10:18 GMT -5
Its simple enough to understand: We pay our dues for protection in the work place (Health and Safety is Nonexistant), Better pay and benefits (All which have declined or have been stale since 2005) and representation (Which again, depending on your Rep, you could be SOL). So, what has the IUAW done for you lately?
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Post by saugerman on Jun 15, 2014 18:13:17 GMT -5
You said a mouthful on that one. He is like the rest of 'em in the bargaining committee and building chairman. They are all positioned to help themselves until they need a vote for something. You could bitch 'em out but with the fact you only see 'em every three years
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Post by noneoftheabove on Jun 15, 2014 18:37:29 GMT -5
It's always the same bull..all we ever do is bitch about it!!if someone has a game plan I would love to hear it.At this point in time ANYTHING is better than what we have now!!
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Jun 15, 2014 18:38:43 GMT -5
The IUAW is the ones not listening. Several locals have really good people / reps in place, its the IUAW that does what they want. I feel the membership is getting double teamed from the company AND the union. I expect the run around from the companies perspective but in recent times the IUAW has been the one playing games with transfers, job bids and turning a blind eye for existing contract language not enforced. The IUAW has only themselves to blame if people opt out. That's where I wish Todd Dunn would grow a set of balls and tell the IUAW how we feel and stop being a douche canoe and saying "OK" to everything the IUAW wants. Even his interviews on TV, he stands behind International. Puppets for paychecks are all they are... Wonder how they sleep at night....
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Post by cal50 on Jun 16, 2014 18:41:56 GMT -5
Most sleep at work.
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Post by trinitus on Jun 16, 2014 19:18:17 GMT -5
The original post was would opt out. Before I answer that, let me explain this. I for one am grateful for what this union has done for its member's through the years. I have always said I would never work in this place without a union. Our pay is allbeit stale, we are still paid a very decent wage compared to most. Our benefit's are second to none. Now I will tell you my answer to the originl post.
YES.......even with all I stated above, I feel like we ARE NOW working without union representation. They want more of my hard earned dollars and yet they refused to get us a raise in the last contract. The supervisor's adds work to me and as I struggle to keep the line running, my rep tells me to lay in there and get it WTF. The only way and I mean the only way IUAW will ever get the message that we are fed up and tired of their complete lack of respect to the ones that build these things is over, is to quit paying your dues. You have to hit them where it is going to hurt them the most and that my Brother's and Siser's is their bank account. We can't change the IUAW without changing the local first. If every local does that, then the IUAW will soon follow.
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Jun 16, 2014 21:55:14 GMT -5
The original post was would opt out. Before I answer that, let me explain this. I for one am grateful for what this union has done for its member's through the years. I have always said I would never work in this place without a union. Our pay is allbeit stale, we are still paid a very decent wage compared to most. Our benefit's are second to none. Now I will tell you my answer to the originl post. YES.......even with all I stated above, I feel like we ARE NOW working without union representation. They want more of my hard earned dollars and yet they refused to get us a raise in the last contract. The supervisor's adds work to me and as I struggle to keep the line running, my rep tells me to lay in there and get it WTF. The only way and I mean the only way IUAW will ever get the message that we are fed up and tired of their complete lack of respect to the ones that build these things is over, is to quit paying your dues. You have to hit them where it is going to hurt them the most and that my Brother's and Siser's is their bank account. We can't change the IUAW without changing the local first. If every local does that, then the IUAW will soon follow. AGREED. They couldn't get us a raise.. but they sure as he'll figured out how they could get one didn't they? It's been 47 years since a dues raise....I see that as the union has lost a HUMONGOUS amount of bargaining skills, and or power since then, and with no raises coming, it was their only choice....it's like admitting now that we won't get Jack next year. Thanks for nothing. That is a obvious tipping point in the demise of our union.
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Post by cal50 on Jun 19, 2014 21:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by saugerman on Jun 20, 2014 4:01:03 GMT -5
speaks volumes doesn't it
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Post by mffrankenstein on Jun 20, 2014 7:24:07 GMT -5
He gets really defensive about it..but i wont opt out although I have pulled my v cap money and will no longer buy anything or go to anything being sold or sponsored by the union. They will be getting more than enough of my money from dues...I'm a two tier on the forgotten crew and yes I knew coming in what I was getting into when I started, but its better than where I came from..
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Post by cal50 on Jun 20, 2014 14:33:07 GMT -5
speaks volumes doesn't it It did not help. The unionized workforce is around 7% of the population. If you venture out in public and attend a demonstration most of the people passing by are non-union workers. You would think knowing this you want a smooth demonstration and have answers in mind for potential questions presented in a non-combative way. I doubt Jimmy's actions did anything for drumming up support or helping to organize anyone, anywhere. Embarrassing comes to mind.
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Post by saugerman on Jun 20, 2014 16:15:02 GMT -5
He gets really defensive about it..but i wont opt out although I have pulled my v cap money and will no longer buy anything or go to anything being sold or sponsored by the union. They will be getting more than enough of my money from dues...I'm a two tier on the forgotten crew and yes I knew coming in what I was getting into when I started, but its better than where I came from.. It is sad but true...but you do have the right attitude to make it here...hopefully one day we take our union back from these lowlifes and thieves. For most of us here its if we had something better we wouldn't be here. so hang in and bide your time our time is coming and the assholes in Dearborn better get ready to listen..the good 'ol boy country club needs to go.
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Post by saugerman on Jun 20, 2014 16:23:03 GMT -5
speaks volumes doesn't it It did not help. The unionized workforce is around 7% of the population. If you venture out in public and attend a demonstration most of the people passing by are non-union workers. You would think knowing this you want a smooth demonstration and have answers in mind for potential questions presented in a non-combative way. I doubt Jimmy's actions did anything for drumming up support or helping to organize anyone, anywhere. Embarrassing comes to mind. And how anyone in the union could vote this turd in for anything just makes me shake my head...hell he could't run a lemon-aid stand neverless be a vice president of one of the largest unions. No self respecting union member would even give him time of day. If they did support him put your hand over your butthole and walk away backwards from him/her cause they would screw you too just like this assclown has us for years
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 19:48:18 GMT -5
If this video doesn't tell you the IUAW is "FUCKED UP!", then you drank too much of the UAW cool aide. Jimmy Settles looked like a complete fucking idiot. Bumbling and stuttering, he had no clear answers about our strike fund and where it went, and why the IUAW has so many people making over 100K a year. Yea, Enjoy your new dues raise, its clearly helping Jimmy and the IUAW thugs out.
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Post by john4646 on Jun 22, 2014 10:52:34 GMT -5
Why wait for RTW? Any of us can resign the union AT ANy TIME and keep our job. They keep that quiet, but it's the law. You'll still have to pay an agency fee, but 1) it's a whole lot less than dues, 2) you still get all the benefits of the union, and 3) I feel better knowing that I'm not supporting their politics. Most of us are pretty conservative around here, but we fund the bosses' liberal crap with our dues, and they hold us hostage with our jobs! And I should say thank you? No thanks!
I'm happy to pay a fair price for services rendered: contract negotiation, grievance representation, all that. But we all know this has gone way too far, and we're just pawns in their game. I'm grateful for the job, the benefits, and the pension, but that's no reason to bend over for the bosses. As others said above, the union WAS about empowering us workers, giving US power. When was the last time we got a raise in a contract? When was the last time the reps and bosses didn't? Case and Point.
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