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Post by Omega Man on Jun 22, 2014 12:35:54 GMT -5
In a passing conversation the other day about the UAW here in Louisville at BOTH Ford Plants The UAW is for the legacy only, they may put up a face for the newbies, but when it comes right down to it, ITS FOR THE LEGACY!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 22, 2014 15:38:52 GMT -5
Im guessing theres more legacy than newbies?So Im sure that it comes off that way..Trust me they fuck us just like they fuck you ,so I don't think they pick and choose.We all get it...right where it counts.UTA....
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ktpgirl
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Post by ktpgirl on Jun 24, 2014 3:42:45 GMT -5
In a passing conversation the other day about the UAW here in Louisville at BOTH Ford Plants The UAW is for the legacy only, they may put up a face for the newbies, but when it comes right down to it, ITS FOR THE LEGACY! Oh shit, give me a break. The tier 2 people get away with more shit than us legacy workers could even think about when we were new hires. Get off it. Temps and lots on day shift in all depts. It took me 8 years to even see day shift the first time and was only on it 4 months before getting bumped. There's people with less than 90 days who have been late and have awoled more EVERY legacy employee I know. Come back when you have a legit bitch. [/quote
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Post by notalifer on Jun 26, 2014 23:35:10 GMT -5
Temps and lots on day shift in all depts. It took me 8 years to even see day shift the first time and was only on it 4 months before getting bumped. There's people with less than 90 days who have been late and have awoled more EVERY legacy employee I know. Come back when you have a legit bitch. Who cares? You will still be making good money long after their temporary service to Ford is over. It's not like they took your spot on days, they're covering vacation and whatnot. If they got hired on permanently they would be rolled to night shift in a heartbeat. As far as new people being awol that seems to take care of itself. Maybe not as quickly as it should, but eventually it will catch up to them.
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Post by Omega Man on Jun 28, 2014 8:45:42 GMT -5
In a passing conversation the other day about the UAW here in Louisville at BOTH Ford Plants The UAW is for the legacy only, they may put up a face for the newbies, but when it comes right down to it, ITS FOR THE LEGACY! Oh shit, give me a break. The tier 2 people get away with more shit than us legacy workers could even think about when we were new hires. Get off it. Temps and lots on day shift in all depts. It took me 8 years to even see day shift the first time and was only on it 4 months before getting bumped. There's people with less than 90 days who have been late and have awoled more EVERY legacy employee I know. Come back when you have a legit bitch. [/quote Now now KTpgirl I was just repeating what was said in a conversation with another person. I don't know if this person work(S ) (ed) at Ford, I didn't ask.(but he knew enough about Ford and the UAW) as for your complaining about us new hires, Sometimes we do have legitimate bitches and gripes. Has the union it self helped me? Yes and no. Has the union I feel dropped the ball with me? yes Have I seen the union help the legacy people vs the 2nd tier? yes (Even on the same complaint) Is the union good yes and no! I'm all for getting rid of the 2nd tier pay and insurance differences, but will it happen??? I don't think so! I have had people in the union hall tell me that they would forward my e-mail to the proper person. Have I heard anything yet??? NO and that was 3 weeks ago! I will agree with you on the awols just to a certain extent that some people were not meant to be a assembly line worker. I know several! But personal problems and the transaction of working at ford does take some adjustments
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Post by autoslave502 on Jun 28, 2014 11:14:35 GMT -5
If you want more people to vote it needs to be more easily accessible!!! Most don't vote because they don't want to take more time out of their 10.5 hr days.. Put voting machines in cafeteria or rent voting trailers in the parking lot..I'm a ql and can guarantee atleast 15 of my people would vote because I would do their job so they would!!! I could totally understand ur argument if the union hall was on the other side of town.but for fucks sake.the hall is less than a mile from the plant.hell most of us drive by it everyday going in or coming home.so don't use the lame excuse I don't wanna take more time put of my day.that's just lazy.lazy like our union. You wanna be the change and make a change then stop making excuses to not make a change. Get off your lazy asses people and let your ass be heard!!
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Post by noneoftheabove on Jun 28, 2014 11:28:11 GMT -5
That's bs and u know it!!make it easier to vote and yes the hall is down the road however have u ever negotiated those roads at quoting time!! Your point is idiotic and deserves no more of a response!!!!!!!!!
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Post by autoslave502 on Jun 29, 2014 8:49:08 GMT -5
That's bs and u know it!!make it easier to vote and yes the hall is down the road however have u ever negotiated those roads at quoting time!! Your point is idiotic and deserves no more of a response!!!!!!!!! And its this type of attitude and laziness that results in under a 50% voter turnout.get off ur lazy ass and drive a half mile to vote. Nothing about what I said is idiotic.its a shame your willing to sweat it out for 10.7 hours but can't take 2 minutes from your lifeless schedule to drop into a place your gonna pass on your way home anyways and cast a vote. Your attitude and those like u make me sick. Like I said above.u wanna bitch about shit.get off your ass and be the change
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Post by noneoftheabove on Jun 29, 2014 10:16:44 GMT -5
For your information I drove to the union hall on a off day of work to vote!!! I have voted on every contract we have had over the last 15+ years !!so don't preach to me on lazyness!!!oh and I forgot your so pro uaw what your crying about vcap money..Grow up son!!!!!
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Post by autoslave502 on Jun 29, 2014 12:39:55 GMT -5
Another instance where u just have to twist words all around.where did I ever say I was pro union?? I'm pro change. There's a big difference SON!!.in fact. I'm opting out when right to work happens. The only way to make change is to get off your ass and vote.we have no other way to voice our opinions.oh wait we can write useless emails to the top right? I too went in on my day off to vote.I just think the whole "I gotta take time out my day" excuse is childish. You've already given Ford 11 hours of your day.y not give 5 minutes for yourself
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Post by noneoftheabove on Jun 30, 2014 9:49:18 GMT -5
You are picking and choosing words out of a whole comment..you want to talk about twisting your a prime example.for u to say your opting out is a joke and u don't deserve to even be in the uaw..you are obliviously clueless SON!!!!!You need to go back in history and see what the men and women have gone thru to establish the UAW!! The words you speak are complete disrespect to all retiree's and as far as I'm concerned you are NO union brother!!I simply stated that voting need to be easier like in other plants and in return u picked a simple sentence and tryed to flip it around Mr.how do I pull my vcap!!Grow the hell up and learn your history before you flap ur gums SON!!!I'm done with u so post away I have a Union vacation to enjoy!!!!!
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Post by rrisley on Jun 30, 2014 13:08:55 GMT -5
You are picking and choosing words out of a whole comment..you want to talk about twisting your a prime example.for u to say your opting out is a joke and u don't deserve to even be in the uaw..you are obliviously clueless SON!!!!!You need to go back in history and see what the men and women have gone thru to establish the UAW!! The words you speak are complete disrespect to all retiree's and as far as I'm concerned you are NO union brother!!I simply stated that voting need to be easier like in other plants and in return u picked a simple sentence and tryed to flip it around Mr.how do I pull my vcap!!Grow the hell up and learn your history before you flap ur gums SON!!!I'm done with u so post away I have a Union vacation to enjoy!!!!! I love how these guys complain so much about the union, and even though they haven't had a raise in ten years, still make a helluva lot more than a majority of factory workers. That is what the UAW has gotten you, and that pension, but I forgot its all about "what have you done for me lately?". On your vacation do this, write up your resume, apply at factories around town that aren't union and see what kind of pathetic pay you will receive from them(not to mention no pension). Then all of you who complain about everything can shut the hell up and either get on board and support your brothers and sisters(when you "opt-out" you are fucking each and every one of us not just the iuaw), or quit and take the shit job you were offered because there's no union to take your $10 an hour. Btw this is not something negative aimed at none of the above, I just liked his statement.
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Post by cal50 on Jun 30, 2014 13:27:09 GMT -5
You are picking and choosing words out of a whole comment..you want to talk about twisting your a prime example.for u to say your opting out is a joke and u don't deserve to even be in the uaw..you are obliviously clueless SON!!!!!You need to go back in history and see what the men and women have gone thru to establish the UAW!! The words you speak are complete disrespect to all retiree's and as far as I'm concerned you are NO union brother!!I simply stated that voting need to be easier like in other plants and in return u picked a simple sentence and tryed to flip it around Mr.how do I pull my vcap!!Grow the hell up and learn your history before you flap ur gums SON!!!I'm done with u so post away I have a Union vacation to enjoy!!!!! I love how these guys complain so much about the union, and even though they haven't had a raise in ten years, still make a helluva lot more than a majority of factory workers. That is what the UAW has gotten you, and that pension, but I forgot its all about "what have you done for me lately?". On your vacation do this, write up your resume, apply at factories around town that aren't union and see what kind of pathetic pay you will receive from them(not to mention no pension). Then all of you who complain about everything can shut the hell up and either get on board and support your brothers and sisters(when you "opt-out" you are fucking each and every one of us not just the iuaw), or quit and take the shit job you were offered because there's no union to take your $10 an hour. Btw this is not something negative aimed at none of the above, I just liked his statement. In 1914 Henry Ford raised wages to a record amount. $5 for a nine hour work day up from $2.38 The UAW was founded in 1938 (That's a nice wage increase 24 YEARS before the UAW appeared) Currently our wages and benefits have been reduced under UAW representation. Add in a dues increase = pure stupidity. If people opt out the IUAW has only themselves to blame for it, period.
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Post by laptier2 on Jun 30, 2014 15:06:39 GMT -5
You are picking and choosing words out of a whole comment..you want to talk about twisting your a prime example.for u to say your opting out is a joke and u don't deserve to even be in the uaw..you are obliviously clueless SON!!!!!You need to go back in history and see what the men and women have gone thru to establish the UAW!! The words you speak are complete disrespect to all retiree's and as far as I'm concerned you are NO union brother!!I simply stated that voting need to be easier like in other plants and in return u picked a simple sentence and tryed to flip it around Mr.how do I pull my vcap!!Grow the hell up and learn your history before you flap ur gums SON!!!I'm done with u so post away I have a Union vacation to enjoy!!!!!
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