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Post by nra4life on Jun 23, 2014 17:34:16 GMT -5
Temps cant awol & have no personal time to use, thats why they are equal on each shift. They are basically vacation coverage. If you went to days thats another 2-3 weeks of vacation days they have to cover. Sucks im sure, 19 years and working nights is crazy unless thats what your wanting to do but, but doesnt sound like your really into the night shift anymore. Could always do dept transfer, 19 years should put you on days anywhere except body, paint, stamping.
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Post by knowthebiz on Jun 23, 2014 21:35:23 GMT -5
Ex-metalman, are you on a bid job?
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Post by saugerman on Jun 23, 2014 23:01:22 GMT -5
Temps cant awol & have no personal time to use, thats why they are equal on each shift. They are basically vacation coverage. If you went to days thats another 2-3 weeks of vacation days they have to cover. Sucks im sure, 19 years and working nights is crazy unless thats what your wanting to do but, but doesnt sound like your really into the night shift anymore. Could always do dept transfer, 19 years should put you on days anywhere except body, paint, stamping. don't really understand your point...wouldn't they need the same amount of people to cover him for vacation if he were on nights or days?
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Post by ktp99 on Jun 24, 2014 4:21:44 GMT -5
Well it's that time of year again!!!! Fucking temps on days in Body shop while I sit with 19 yrs on weekend crew?Union says can't have a shift with all temps on it needs to be equal??? wtf why can't a temp learn a job then go to ANY SHIFT BUT FUCKING DAY SHIFT?Does that mean when he or she goes to a different shift they won't be able to do the job they did on day shift??? fuck no!! Lets say you had a shift where all the temps were on couldn't that work?I mean temp or regular employee if you can't do or won't do the job then fucking get out and get another job...this fucking union is pathetic!!!!Theres not a job in body that a person off the street couldn't learn in one day....I mean even if it's for 2 months I should have the fucking right to be on the fucking shift of my motherfucking choice!!!!Fucking bullshit....Plus with the union allowing this to happen that gives the company power,like when contract time comes they will have all these temps to call in on their assigned shift and do our fucking jobs if we were to actually try and strike!!!! I'm guessing you want to go to day shift for 3 months then get bumped back to B or C crew available work? Temps are here for a few months then they are let go or get hired and go to available work.
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Post by knowthebiz on Jun 24, 2014 8:44:47 GMT -5
Ex-metalman, do you know What kind of chaos that would ensue if people just rolled for 2/3 months in place of temps? If being on day shift is a top priority, then you Need ti transfer out of body and into another dept... you can for sure hold days in utrim, Or frame!
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Jun 24, 2014 11:05:55 GMT -5
"Temps can't awol....." Really? Well, the newest employees can leave early, "find another operation they can do", not come in, go home "sick", call the union out on other union members..........
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Post by knowthebiz on Jun 24, 2014 12:15:18 GMT -5
Most temps are just kids, making What 15 an hour? What do you expect!! I would hate to work next to most of you, you would be the ones that complain about Never getting overtime, but When asked to work, you alway turn it down. Ford and the Unión has turned us into high paid babies...pick and choose your battles man! You can always quit!
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Post by saugerman on Jun 24, 2014 12:22:53 GMT -5
uh-oh this is gonna get ugly
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Post by knowthebiz on Jun 24, 2014 13:24:00 GMT -5
I dont put myself into situations to get f****! Im in an area where i can choose Whatever shift i want, regardless of temp situation...ex metalman, you just like to complain! Take care of business and leave body shop do you can hold day shift for more than "12 weeks"! That way you dont have to depend on other ppl to dictate What shift you are on. I have really good seniority but some bid jobs i may be lower seniority on, so guess What i dont bid on jobs!
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Post by rrisley on Jun 24, 2014 15:19:33 GMT -5
Most temps are just kids, making What 15 an hour? What do you expect!! I would hate to work next to most of you, you would be the ones that complain about Never getting overtime, but When asked to work, you alway turn it down. Ford and the Unión has turned us into high paid babies...pick and choose your battles man! You can always quit! And the shit storm begins
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Post by coconut on Jun 26, 2014 13:01:59 GMT -5
ex-metalman remember, those temps didn't ask for days, they were placed there. and it would cause havoc if everyone wanted to do what you want and go for a couple of months. Plain unreseasonable.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Jun 26, 2014 19:28:02 GMT -5
Give it up, he will never understand!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 26, 2014 19:42:32 GMT -5
I respect everyone's opinion but. FU
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Post by nra4life on Jun 26, 2014 20:09:31 GMT -5
Upon further review I agree 100% with him & in fact this is how it is handled in material handling. Talk to a guy today that bid on a temporary material handling job that is basically extra for vacation coverage. When the summer is over, he goes back to his team to available work on that team. Guy has never been a lift before, bid on the job, then was trained on the job. If material handling can do that then there is. no reason couldnt be done everywhere else. Just the powers that be dont want the hassle of it.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 27, 2014 6:48:15 GMT -5
Ty NRA
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 12:37:29 GMT -5
Upon further review I agree 100% with him & in fact this is how it is handled in material handling. Talk to a guy today that bid on a temporary material handling job that is basically extra for vacation coverage. When the summer is over, he goes back to his team to available work on that team. Guy has never been a lift before, bid on the job, then was trained on the job. If material handling can do that then there is. no reason couldnt be done everywhere else. Just the powers that be dont want the hassle of it. Material handling is different. It's a bid job as you know. VATs are interchangeable in the company's mind. It does come down to the company doesn't want the churning for no real reason, neither does the union. I can see both sides I guess but we all have to choose. Ex-met can hold days, just not where he wants. Boo hoo. I'm in the same boat but I don't want days anyway. Everyone have a great vacation!!!!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 27, 2014 18:53:35 GMT -5
If you were in the same boat as me you would want days?So were not in the same boat.Im not crying trust me ,Ive done my 9yrs in trim and now im in body so yep I wanna be on days .When theres some temp on days and Im not, yep I want to be on days.Its cool how you know what the union and the company want..You must be a really smart person...
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Post by rrisley on Jun 27, 2014 20:21:20 GMT -5
If you were in the same boat as me you would want days?So were not in the same boat.Im not crying trust me ,Ive done my 9yrs in trim and now im in body so yep I wanna be on days .When theres some temp on days and Im not, yep I want to be on days.Its cool how you know what the union and the company want..You must be a really smart person... Can't you hold days in most areas right now? If you want days then bid on it buddy.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 27, 2014 22:00:42 GMT -5
I'm 5th on the list to go back to days.And yes I can hold days everywhere but body,paint and stamping.But I'm staying in Body for the long haul.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 23:28:31 GMT -5
I meant that I can hold days but not where I would want to be. And yes you cry all the time. But still have a good vacation. I know I will.
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Post by trinitus on Jun 28, 2014 23:27:54 GMT -5
Oh good lord, if holding day shift is that important, transfer out to final, otherwise shut up and wait your turn. As you have stated, they do this every year and every year these people leave Ford or if the get hired in permantly, they go out front on night shift. Eat a Twinkie and be happy damn.
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Post by knowthebiz on Jun 29, 2014 10:29:05 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly!!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 29, 2014 11:30:10 GMT -5
See if people would CRY as you all call it more often maybe the union would be stronger .But they just roll over and take the dick...I will never stop bitching if I have a legitiment gripe..If I wanted to work 4 months a yr on days and the rest on whatever crew why would any of you bitches care???have a good one, I must go the beach is calling ...PS stick a Twinkie UYA?
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Post by trinitus on Jun 29, 2014 14:53:56 GMT -5
See if people would CRY as you all call it more often maybe the union would be stronger .But they just roll over and take the dick...I will never stop bitching if I have a legitiment gripe..If I wanted to work 4 months a yr on days and the rest on whatever crew why would any of you bitches care???have a good one, I must go the beach is calling ...PS stick a Twinkie UYA? Here are 7 reason's you need to understand. 1. You do not have th senoirity to hold days in Body, paint or stamping. If you did you would be there already. 2. You do not have a legitamate gripe, bitch or complaint with thi issue since yu do not have the senoirity to hold the shift of your dreams in the department you are in. 3. Just about every one of your post's is nothing more than complaining or crying (depending on who you ask), time for you to know the difference. 4. If you ever posted anything in a positive manner we allmight have a heart attack and die. 5. None of us are happy with what both the compay and union are doing right now but we are smart enough to pick our own battles that will make us heardlouder than crying over not being able tohold a shift we obviously can't hold in a department we want to be in. 6. I like you have 19 ormore yars in and I ave a bid job on night's. I would love to be on dayshift just as you want but when I am ready to go to days I will leave this bid job ina New York minute evn if it meant I had to go to Trim. 7. Since my ass muscle's are so strictly tuned, I can not shove a Twinkie up my ass because my ass will not open up for it. Apparently, you have done this before since you alreay knew it could be done. Enjoy the beach and please don't get sand in your ass, if you do it might make a pearl and Ford would want it because they funded your trip to the beach.
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Post by rrisley on Jun 30, 2014 6:35:48 GMT -5
Yeah this is bullshit I have four months of seniority and seeing an lts on days chaps my ass, I should be able to since someone with no seniority is holding the job! I'm pissed that i wasn't offered an inspector job yet! Waah waah waah! I can't get exactly what I want because I don't have the seniority so everyone should bend over backwards to accommodate me, that's the way a union works, right?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 30, 2014 9:48:44 GMT -5
With 4 months seniority you shouldn't even be on here.As far as bending over backwards that's what you'll be doing the next 29 yrs and 6 months you have to go.I simply stated I repeat (I) think it's bullshit that a temp is on days while a person with 19 yrs is on a different shift.I didn't ask for advice from you or trinitus at all.Just my opinion and I'm gonna speak it any fucking time I want to...So GFYS!
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Post by trinitus on Jun 30, 2014 11:00:00 GMT -5
Ex-Metalman, don't get me wrong. We do agree with you that senoirity should count for something, hell that is all we have left. However, this is a battle none of us can win. Three to Fours months on days during the Summer would be a great deal for all of us but that is not how it is going to work. The churning of the workforce is going to stop that before it begins. Hopefully this time next year you will be on dayshift and all of this will be behind you. Until you get there it will always be this way and always has. Doesn't mean we like it but this is just the game they play.
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Post by rrisley on Jun 30, 2014 12:59:44 GMT -5
Ex-Metalman, don't get me wrong. We do agree with you that senoirity should count for something, hell that is all we have left. However, this is a battle none of us can win. Three to Fours months on days during the Summer would be a great deal for all of us but that is not how it is going to work. The churning of the workforce is going to stop that before it begins. Hopefully this time next year you will be on dayshift and all of this will be behind you. Until you get there it will always be this way and always has. Doesn't mean we like it but this is just the game they play. have you looked at this from a business point of view? You want them to bring in lts, train them, move seniority employees to days for a few months, then transfer all them back and layoff a majority of the ltss. Doesn't sound reasonable at all. The more they have to shuffle people around the more it costs the company, also wouldn't it be a bitch if you went to days and then went back to night to available work just to find out that there are enough people with more seniority than you who wanted body and you ended up in trim? I didn't realize that this website was only for legacies btw, I forgot entry levels don't matter because you outnumber us(for now).
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 1, 2014 7:48:31 GMT -5
That post shows how much you DONT KNOW.If I went to days and got rolled back to nights it would be in BODY SHOP,Trims a whole different dept!!!I would never get rolled to trim with 95 sen.!And as far as training I'm talking about staying within a team and transferring .Like A-crew temp staying on the team they are trained on and getting rolled by a senior employee on a different crew but same team,thus they already know a job.Each team on days has at least 2 temps.10 teams or so in body that's 20 temps .Im 5 th to go to days.get it now?also did you know there has to be and opening for a person to transfer to a different dept.?Cant roll somebody out of a dept senior or not.
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Post by rrisley on Jul 1, 2014 7:53:55 GMT -5
That post shows how much you DONT KNOW.If I went to days and got rolled back to nights it would be in BODY SHOP,Trims a whole different dept!!!I would never get rolled to trim with 95 sen.!And as far as training I'm talking about staying within a team and transferring .Like A-crew temp staying on the team they are trained on and getting rolled by a senior employee on a different crew but same team,thus they already know a job.Each team on days has at least 2 temps.10 teams or so in body that's 20 temps .Im 5 th to go to days.get it now?also did you know there has to be and opening for a person to transfer to a different dept.?Cant roll somebody out of a dept senior or not. till they transfer you and the union tells you "they can do that" right?
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