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Post by crowdogg on Jul 9, 2014 7:23:07 GMT -5
I've been forwarded this list of Sundays, thought I'd share. Could be true, could be wrong.
July 20 August 3, 17, 31 September 14, 21 October 5, 19 November 2
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Post by roaddog on Jul 9, 2014 14:44:02 GMT -5
Damn ! I sure hope you are wrong, That sucks !
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Post by pmooret on Jul 9, 2014 14:57:13 GMT -5
Rumor I heard was that both shifts will pretty much be working every other weekend through the end of the year. If that's so we'll probably have a lot of down time waiting for stock. Pre-delivery can't run now I don't know how they will manage with additional production. Somebody needs to revisit the math on that flowchart! I think somebody ran out of fingers.
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Post by ihatemyjob on Jul 9, 2014 17:18:13 GMT -5
B crew working the 19th and A crew working Aug 3. Only confirmed dates at this time according to committeeman.
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Post by oh2ky on Jul 10, 2014 12:49:08 GMT -5
Yep. 7/19 for B and 8/3 for A.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 21:04:41 GMT -5
Rumor I heard was that both shifts will pretty much be working every other weekend through the end of the year. If that's so we'll probably have a lot of down time waiting for stock. Pre-delivery can't run now I don't know how they will manage with additional production. Somebody needs to revisit the math on that flowchart! I think somebody ran out of fingers. Its sad but true. Repair shop is full of units needing the SAME dam repairs, time after time. Its not the operators fault, its the UNIONS fault for letting the company over load the jobs that the operators cant keep up with. When we upped line speed for the Explorer and added the Sport Trac, Donnie Mitchell fought for us, to bring in more people and spread out the work. Now with King Berry at the controls, we are truly fucked. I like the Sunday work myself, nothing wrong with extra cash before Christmas.
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Post by pmooret on Jul 11, 2014 5:09:33 GMT -5
It is up to the operator to not take on additional work and it is the unions duty to represent you if they take you up front. It is not a situation where both sides sit down and decide what a fair work load should be. If the boss harasses and threatens you, take it with a grain of salt and do not argue or yell at him/her. Never tell the boss that you will not do a job as they will use that against you, just don't do the job. Once a operator holds a job they will never take work off of it out of the kindness of their heart and there is nothing the union can do once you hold a job.
Remember, NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN FIRED FOR NOT TAKING ON WORK! You may be taken up front, given time off (union will write a grievance and eventually you will get your pay) or you may be moved to another job but you will not be fired. Always speak with your counterparts on a daily basis so that you are all on the same page and to know whether or not the boss is lying to you about what the other shift is doing.
Years ago they tried to cut out one of us in our classification and we beat them, but we stuck together and both shifts called each other on breaks to compare notes or we left each other a note hidden on the work station somewhere. Use to be that they had to add the work to day shift first and they had to hold it before they could bring it the other shift but that may have changed over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 13:47:18 GMT -5
It is up to the operator to not take on additional work and it is the unions duty to represent you if they take you up front. It is not a situation where both sides sit down and decide what a fair work load should be. If the boss harasses and threatens you, take it with a grain of salt and do not argue or yell at him/her. Never tell the boss that you will not do a job as they will use that against you, just don't do the job. Once a operator holds a job they will never take work off of it out of the kindness of their heart and there is nothing the union can do once you hold a job. Remember, NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN FIRED FOR NOT TAKING ON WORK! You may be taken up front, given time off (union will write a grievance and eventually you will get your pay) or you may be moved to another job but you will not be fired. Always speak with your counterparts on a daily basis so that you are all on the same page and to know whether or not the boss is lying to you about what the other shift is doing. Years ago they tried to cut out one of us in our classification and we beat them, but we stuck together and both shifts called each other on breaks to compare notes or we left each other a note hidden on the work station somewhere. Use to be that they had to add the work to day shift first and they had to hold it before they could bring it the other shift but that may have changed over the years. I agree 100%. But they are putting 2nd tier on these over loaded jobs and yes, they have fired a few and others have walked out. The union hasn't done squat to stop this. Most 2nd tier workers are afraid to stand up and say anything. Rear interior quarter panel install has been a revolving door.
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Post by lineman on Jul 11, 2014 19:49:56 GMT -5
Gonna need a lot more Saturday and Sunday's with this mess. Just built 2, count em, two trucks in 1 hour.
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Post by lineman on Jul 11, 2014 20:14:05 GMT -5
Somewhere in this plant there has to be a computer that will tell you how many parts you need to build 700 units per shift, if someone ever figures out how to turn it on we might have enough to actually start and run a full shift.
A week after shutdown and can't even run 90 units in three hours. Not what I would consider very cost efficient.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 21:42:45 GMT -5
Somewhere in this plant there has to be a computer that will tell you how many parts you need to build 700 units per shift, if someone ever figures out how to turn it on we might have enough to actually start and run a full shift. A week after shutdown and can't even run 90 units in three hours. Not what I would consider very cost efficient. They do have 700 parts per shift. 200 of them end up on the repair cart, going into the shop.
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Post by lineman on Jul 11, 2014 23:06:51 GMT -5
Somewhere in this plant there has to be a computer that will tell you how many parts you need to build 700 units per shift, if someone ever figures out how to turn it on we might have enough to actually start and run a full shift. A week after shutdown and can't even run 90 units in three hours. Not what I would consider very cost efficient. They do have 700 parts per shift. 200 of them end up on the repair cart, going into the shop. Not tonight they didn't. only had enough to run 80 units in first three hours. If that's not mismanagement nothing is.
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Post by ihatemyjob on Jul 12, 2014 1:47:36 GMT -5
I heard vendors can't keep up because they keep getting engineering changes on things. Not sure how true that is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 22:16:12 GMT -5
I heard vendors can't keep up because they keep getting engineering changes on things. Not sure how true that is. This and vendors paying employees $10 an hour to work in the heat. Yea, that don't work to well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 22:16:37 GMT -5
They do have 700 parts per shift. 200 of them end up on the repair cart, going into the shop. Not tonight they didn't. only had enough to run 80 units in first three hours. If that's not mismanagement nothing is. WOW!
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Post by lap65 on Jul 14, 2014 11:36:08 GMT -5
Like he said.the repair shop is taking tons of parts, much of the time they don't even tell anyone they just send their people out on a buggy & it goes back loaded with parts. Then when we run out they want to know why. We set & waited the other day forever for a part that ceva was supposed to have, they looked & looked but didn't have it. We have pretty competent people doing the ordering at LAP but every single day trucks are late, lost, dont have the skill to back up to the dock in less than a half hour. Even if vendors had the capacity to give us more parts, we have no where to put them. These kitting areas are insane the way they are set up in relation to parts, no backup racks & they want the parts 3 minutes after they order them.Detroit calls the shots on how its all set up, how many people in a dept etc.So the problem is much bigger than local management. Put simply, this facility does not have the space for parts for the lincoln, the space for the manpower needed for the lincoln. They are trying to force a round peg into a square hole & its blowing up. I hope we dont lose our plant over it.
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Jul 14, 2014 13:09:55 GMT -5
Don't worry LAP is not the only plant that runs like this, its still not as bad as to what I've seen at DTP
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Post by justaworker on Jul 14, 2014 13:52:52 GMT -5
People, we are in the process of launching a new vehicle. This is normal.
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Post by bulldognuts on Jul 14, 2014 16:34:38 GMT -5
justaworker you clearly do not work in M/H. This has nothing to do with launching a new vehicle, there is severe problems in how this is set up. I have been in M/H for 9 years, I have seen line speed increases, line speed decreases, launches, I've been to the Olympics, the World Fair, and two pig fuckings . I have never seen anything this screwed up. The problems we are talking about are too numerous to list here, but I don't see things getting any better and it does cause concern that I have never had before during a launch.
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Post by lap65 on Jul 14, 2014 17:02:03 GMT -5
People, we are in the process of launching a new vehicle. This is normal. No this is not normal, as bulldog said I also have seen product launches before, we have never had this kind of trouble in the 21 years I've been here. Usually after a couple weeks everything smooths out & runs like clockwork, when we were building Explorers the line rarely stopped for parts issues or really any other issue, this is not just going to work itself out, there are major problems with getting parts to the plant, where to put them after they get here, trucks being out of order, Chicago & Detroit constantly sending wrong parts & kitting areas that are non functional due to idiotic designs. There is going to have to be some major rethinking of a lot of issues if we are to successfully build both the escape & the Lincoln, what we are doing is about to blow up big time. One major problem with local management is no communication between departments, over shutdown parts were moved to different ares or lines & M.H supervisors were not even told, as a result those parts have not been reassigned & every day they run out of them until they can get someone with a few minutes extra time or a spare utility which is rare to run those parts to line. We never have enough people, fork drivers are quitting, bidding out or getting fired on B & C crew left & right, if A crew had not had numerous people come in & cover they would not have even been able to run Thur night through Sunday night. I know of at least 2 fork drivers who worked 24 hours straight Thrs & Friday. C crew people were coming in at 6 on b crew shift, going home at midnight sleeping a few hours & coming back at 6am for their shift. MH is messed up bad & its mostly due to decisions from up north.
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Post by fordworker95 on Jul 14, 2014 20:13:33 GMT -5
People, we are in the process of launching a new vehicle. This is normal. No this is not normal, as bulldog said I also have seen product launches before, we have never had this kind of trouble in the 21 years I've been here. Usually after a couple weeks everything smooths out & runs like clockwork, when we were building Explorers the line rarely stopped for parts issues or really any other issue, this is not just going to work itself out, there are major problems with getting parts to the plant, where to put them after they get here, trucks being out of order, Chicago & Detroit constantly sending wrong parts & kitting areas that are non functional due to idiotic designs. There is going to have to be some major rethinking of a lot of issues if we are to successfully build both the escape & the Lincoln, what we are doing is about to blow up big time. One major problem with local management is no communication between departments, over shutdown parts were moved to different ares or lines & M.H supervisors were not even told, as a result those parts have not been reassigned & every day they run out of them until they can get someone with a few minutes extra time or a spare utility which is rare to run those parts to line. We never have enough people, fork drivers are quitting, bidding out or getting fired on B & C crew left & right, if A crew had not had numerous people come in & cover they would not have even been able to run Thur night through Sunday night. I know of at least 2 fork drivers who worked 24 hours straight Thrs & Friday. C crew people were coming in at 6 on b crew shift, going home at midnight sleeping a few hours & coming back at 6am for their shift. MH is messed up bad & its mostly due to decisions from up north. You are correct ! there are major structural problems in MH. No communication,NO organization . There is a system that could be used called FPS,but I haven't seen it even attempted yet.I too am concerned for OUR future because of this chaos.
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Post by justaworker on Jul 14, 2014 20:36:07 GMT -5
I'm not in m/h now. Have been before though. I take your word for it that things are worse than a normal launch. But what you've described, and what I've seen recently are part for the course. Not that that's a good thing, just expected.
We need to in source that Ceva crap and bringto those jobs back. Getting control back over our own stock would be a great first step.
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Post by lap65 on Jul 14, 2014 21:50:15 GMT -5
No this is not normal, as bulldog said I also have seen product launches before, we have never had this kind of trouble in the 21 years I've been here. Usually after a couple weeks everything smooths out & runs like clockwork, when we were building Explorers the line rarely stopped for parts issues or really any other issue, this is not just going to work itself out, there are major problems with getting parts to the plant, where to put them after they get here, trucks being out of order, Chicago & Detroit constantly sending wrong parts & kitting areas that are non functional due to idiotic designs. There is going to have to be some major rethinking of a lot of issues if we are to successfully build both the escape & the Lincoln, what we are doing is about to blow up big time. One major problem with local management is no communication between departments, over shutdown parts were moved to different ares or lines & M.H supervisors were not even told, as a result those parts have not been reassigned & every day they run out of them until they can get someone with a few minutes extra time or a spare utility which is rare to run those parts to line. We never have enough people, fork drivers are quitting, bidding out or getting fired on B & C crew left & right, if A crew had not had numerous people come in & cover they would not have even been able to run Thur night through Sunday night. I know of at least 2 fork drivers who worked 24 hours straight Thrs & Friday. C crew people were coming in at 6 on b crew shift, going home at midnight sleeping a few hours & coming back at 6am for their shift. MH is messed up bad & its mostly due to decisions from up north. You are correct ! there are major structural problems in MH. No communication,NO organization . There is a system that could be used called FPS,but I haven't seen it even attempted yet.I too am concerned for OUR future because of this chaos. I really think our M.H supervision is trying to get all 3 shifts on the same page, but they dont have enough people in supervision to do all that needs to be done. And especially on b & c you have so many different people on so many different jobs every day that its really hard to get a handle on. They are so busy (supervision) chasing parts, finding forks that arent broke down or werent put on chargers they dont have time to implement what needs to be done. Chaos is a good word for the situation. I honestly am shocked that we get out the trucks we do.
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Post by ccrewdummie on Jul 15, 2014 4:31:48 GMT -5
I'm definitely worried about our future. I have been through a plant shut down, it feels like I'm re-living it all over again except with a different company. Almost everyone that has been at LAP for years are worried. Just seems like every thing Detroit is making us do is just setting us up for failure. The AWOL's are unbelievable, people quitting or getting fired. MH is a huge cluster F&@k. Supervisors are quitting and some are looking. They say out of all 3 shifts, B shift is the worst. They said A and C shift try to work together but C shift has a lot of manpower issues.
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Post by justaworker on Jul 15, 2014 11:54:52 GMT -5
I'm definitely worried about our future. I have been through a plant shut down, it feels like I'm re-living it all over again except with a different company. Almost everyone that has been at LAP for years are worried. Just seems like every thing Detroit is making us do is just setting us up for failure. The AWOL's are unbelievable, people quitting or getting fired. MH is a huge cluster F&@k. Supervisors are quitting and some are looking. They say out of all 3 shifts, B shift is the worst. They said A and C shift try to work together but C shift has a lot of manpower issues. No worries, just growing pains.
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Post by Bcrew4life on Jul 15, 2014 13:06:01 GMT -5
I'm definitely worried about our future. I have been through a plant shut down, it feels like I'm re-living it all over again except with a different company. Almost everyone that has been at LAP for years are worried. Just seems like every thing Detroit is making us do is just setting us up for failure. The AWOL's are unbelievable, people quitting or getting fired. MH is a huge cluster F&@k. Supervisors are quitting and some are looking. They say out of all 3 shifts, B shift is the worst. They said A and C shift try to work together but C shift has a lot of manpower issues. Just who are "they"? If B crew is so bad why do we almost always produce more than A & C crews?
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Post by ihatemyjob on Jul 15, 2014 13:36:04 GMT -5
Because you run junk and don't stop the line for anything.
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Post by lap65 on Jul 15, 2014 17:44:22 GMT -5
Dont know for sure what they did, but they said they made some changes. Today was as smooth as its been for awhile, hopefully they've figured out some things.
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Post by lineman on Jul 19, 2014 22:18:05 GMT -5
4 1/2 hours into the overtime shift that's been scheduled for more than two weeks and been sitting for more than an hour combined because we're out if critical parts.
Eating away at sharholdees profits.
Let's do this again, but better next time.
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Post by lineman on Jul 19, 2014 22:19:51 GMT -5
4 1/2 hours into the overtime shift that's been scheduled for more than two weeks and been sitting for more than an hour combined because we're out of critical parts. Eating away at sharholders profits. Let's do this again, but better next time.
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