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Post by justmefornow on Sept 9, 2014 7:49:57 GMT -5
Just a little curious about something called "Seniority"! Why is it that it doesn't mean anything anymore? Whether you are on medical and anything for that matter. They pick and choose who they want where. Sometimes I think it's because they are afraid of a lawsuit because from what I've seen "they" are the ones they keep working regardless of work ethics or seniority!
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Post by brizzel on Sept 9, 2014 10:42:24 GMT -5
On B crew it only counts when getting days off and roll outs. Its a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 11:20:28 GMT -5
I've always wondered why all medical aren't put on one big "team" and used to cover double ups throughout the plant. That way they can have easy jobs, and no one gets forced off a good job it took them years to get.
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Post by 30yearpace on Sept 9, 2014 11:43:39 GMT -5
This problem is not the Medical's faught. It all went down hill when the High seniority Transfered in. Not only is this causing a Job issue IMO i think it's causing ergonomic issue as well. Many of us will not make it to our retirement date because of the Jobs having TOO MUCH work on them.Ford keeps transfering too many High seriority in to our plant leaving the majority of the plant on hard jobs most of their 30 years! If more people would claim their injuries at work where they happened and go on workmans comp instead of Unicare...These Hard jobs will disappear because FORD does not want people on Workmans comp! Facts about Workmans Comp: You Choose your own doctor! Your checks are tax free!(close to $300 more than Unicare!!) You still get credit for Profit sharing! Mileage is paid for between doctors vists prescriptions are paid for! KNOW YOUR RIGHTS PEOPLE QUIT TAKING IT UP THE ASS! Guidebook to workmans'compensation
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Sept 9, 2014 12:12:10 GMT -5
I agree that the lack of respect for seniority has reached a ridiculous level. Ill never agree with the placing of medicals on jobs & effectively stealing a decent job from an able bodied worker just to pacify a problem.
But on the flip side, whenever I hear people bitch about the lack of good jobs for senior workers, I tend to laugh. Last contract the rank and file had the opportunity to create hundreds of seniority based bid jobs, and chose not to. Ive got no sympathy for short sighted ignorance, just because you want a "choice" as to who your TL is.
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Post by 30yearpace on Sept 9, 2014 12:27:50 GMT -5
I agree that the lack of respect for seniority has reached a ridiculous level. Ill never agree with the placing of medicals on jobs & effectively stealing a decent job from an able bodied worker just to pacify a problem. But on the flip side, whenever I hear people bitch about the lack of good jobs for senior workers, I tend to laugh. Last contract the rank and file had the opportunity to create hundreds of seniority based bid jobs, and chose not to. Ive got no sympathy for short sighted ignorance, just because you want a "choice" as to who your TL is. I agree with you that we had the opportunity to create new jobs....but we didn't. Ford has to place medicals on jobs or they stay out on workmans comp or Ford has to RETRAIN THEM. Guide to worker's compensation
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 14:03:12 GMT -5
The team leader issue again. Your side lost that debate. As far as workmans comp, it's not as great as you make it sound. Yeah u can choose your own dr. But the company can make you go to their dr Too. They can also make you sit in the cafeteria unless you are so severely hurt that sitting down will aggravate your condition. As far as going on workmans comp enough being a way to make jobs easier, I doubt it. How does workmans comp work in Mexico? The plant has to be competitive or it will close. Not competitive with other unionized ford plants, but also the transplant non union plants. It's all really about fords stock position more than anything else. Btw when a medical is placed on a job permanently they are retrained neway. I know what you are referring is outside worker retraining. That's a effing joke too. Train you for what? Flipping burgers? There are no similar jobs anymore to what we have. They are all gone. American standard, Vulcan hart , c lee cook ( they made elevators), Henry Vogt, American air filter, cissell manufacturing, and many other manufacturers all had big presences in Louisville at one time, they are all gone. Did you know 25,000 people used to work at appliance park? Now it's being sold off. Guess what that will bring in a couple years. Our jobs aren't getting any easier any time soon. Although I would love to be wrong about all of this, and I know ima get slammed( I don't care) some of you need to open your eyes!
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Post by 30yearpace on Sept 9, 2014 15:24:29 GMT -5
The team leader issue again. Your side lost that debate. As far as workmans comp, it's not as great as you make it sound. Yeah u can choose your own dr. But the company can make you go to their dr Too. They can also make you sit in the cafeteria unless you are so severely hurt that sitting down will aggravate your condition. As far as going on workmans comp enough being a way to make jobs easier, I doubt it. How does workmans comp work in Mexico? The plant has to be competitive or it will close. Not competitive with other unionized ford plants, but also the transplant non union plants. It's all really about fords stock position more than anything else. Btw when a medical is placed on a job permanently they are retrained neway. I know what you are referring is outside worker retraining. That's a effing joke too. Train you for what? Flipping burgers? There are no similar jobs anymore to what we have. They are all gone. American standard, Vulcan hart , c lee cook ( they made elevators), Henry Vogt, American air filter, cissell manufacturing, and many other manufacturers all had big presences in Louisville at one time, they are all gone. Did you know 25,000 people used to work at appliance park? Now it's being sold off. Guess what that will bring in a couple years. Our jobs aren't getting any easier any time soon. Although I would love to be wrong about all of this, and I know ima get slammed( I don't care) some of you need to open your eyes! No gonna slam ya, but I personally will not work in pain for this company anymore! Just got to have the balls to speak-up and stand up for yourself! This could be said for contract time too!
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Sept 9, 2014 21:33:49 GMT -5
No ar, not the team leader issue again. It was never about the TL position. It was about having bid jobs, jobs aging workers could get, and relieve themselves from the strain of this place. And as far as "my side" losing that debate, Im indifferent to it. If people are too stupid to look a mile down the road instead of what rights in front of them, then screw em. Stay on the line and lay in there and get it dipshits.
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Post by nra4life on Sept 9, 2014 22:28:58 GMT -5
If the TL jobs were not elected positions those positions would be held by medicals. Not by high seniority.
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Post by william on Sept 10, 2014 6:31:49 GMT -5
TL jobs would not be held by medicals,very untrue statement. I know some of the people on the medicals arnt really hurt bad. But alot are legit and we shouldnt try to shame them or trash talk them.Remember you yourself might not always be heathy.You just never know.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 10, 2014 10:50:44 GMT -5
I could ramble but Im not.Like LTS on days while a 19yr employee is on nights?As far as MEDs.go I always thought they should be put on build up jobs thru out the plant ,BUT on a real fucked up shift,like start at 1a.m. amd get of at 9a.m on weekends and so fourth.That way if you are hurt and you heal you can go back to whatever shift you were on before.If youre a lazy fuck playing the system youre stuck on the fucked up shift ,but you have a good job.Your choice be lazy or come back and work like the rest of us..
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Post by coconut on Sept 10, 2014 12:38:32 GMT -5
to 30yearpace, You can get hurt at work and if its a recurring injury or even any kind of injury to get workers comp versus unicare you have to prove you did it here instead of at home or outside of work. its just easier going unicare and be done with it. no hassles.say if you get carpal tunnel, they say you got it at home pecking on your computer too much. see what i mean its a pain in the ass to hire a lawyer to fight the SOBs.
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Post by 30yearpace on Sept 10, 2014 14:13:05 GMT -5
to 30yearpace, You can get hurt at work and if its a recurring injury or even any kind of injury to get workers comp versus unicare you have to prove you did it here instead of at home or outside of work. its just easier going unicare and be done with it. no hassles.say if you get carpal tunnel, they say you got it at home pecking on your computer too much. see what i mean its a pain in the ass to hire a lawyer to fight the SOBs. Whats so hard about reporting it to medical? Proving it isn't that hard either....MRI,X-rays,appearance and your word as a person is enough. I had a injury and was in a lot of pain and a MRI picked it up right away, Granted I had to do some PT 1st which made it worse but it's not a perfect science.I had another injury and pain for months. The MRI, X-ray didn't pick anything up but i knew something was wrong. I got the injury scoped, A tear was found!! Also close to a $300 difference between Unicare and workmans Comp makes it worth the Hassle or whats so bad about sitting up in a room for 8 hours a day and getting paid the same as everyone else on the floor? IF you get injured on the job these are your rights!!!
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Post by 30yearpace on Sept 10, 2014 14:23:49 GMT -5
Ford has a workman's comp rep....IMO the UNION should have one also!
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Post by hayrakekid on Oct 3, 2014 19:34:20 GMT -5
Ex metalman your right. There have been miraculous healings when medicals have to go shit shift. Now I think if you get hurt in the plant that should'nt screw you either. Fine line. Bad thing there's no machine that disifers hurt on job people and game players. Like this lazy worker told me a long time ago "don't hate the player hate the game."
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Post by saugerman on Oct 10, 2014 15:48:07 GMT -5
Screw the fake medicals...I think it's funny as hell when one steals a job then gets pissed off when they screw up a job and no one repairs their screw up. First they steal a good job,then they can't understand when no one wants to be around their sorry ass. If they would screw one because they are too lazy to work sooner or later they will screw you when it benefits them. There are people who are genuinely hurt I have no problem with them.....but the ones who cant do anything at work but can go to the union hall and play basketball all day. Or tell you they got their diploma (medical restrictions to be as worthless as they can be and still hold some type of job)...fuck 'em sooner or later they will get whats coming to them.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Oct 11, 2014 7:17:22 GMT -5
I actually new a person that couldn't do a job in here but had a cleaning business they owned and worked in?? That's the kinda shit that pisses me off ..you can tell the fakes.
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Post by justmefornow on Oct 12, 2014 10:50:29 GMT -5
We all know there are several people who claim to have an injury to get a decent job. But that being said it's not always the case. The ones that are faking always make it tough for the ones that are legit. I myself have had my share of bad luck if you will, but I never wanted to take somebody's job. I would never write down a job that I could do. I would tell them I didn't find anything and make them find me something, that is what they are suppose to do or at least that is what I was always told. Seniority should always be first and foremost in any case. I would never want anybody to have to walk a week or day even in my shoes because it sucks! Some claim the seniority people transferred and didn't want to hold the tough jobs so they claim to be hurt. I don't believe that's the case, it's the company's fault for all the screwed up jobs and the people who are suppose to help make them right not doing their job. Seniority is and should always be F FIRST!
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Post by saugerman on Oct 12, 2014 16:32:15 GMT -5
We all know there are several people who claim to have an injury to get a decent job. But that being said it's not always the case. The ones that are faking always make it tough for the ones that are legit. I myself have had my share of bad luck if you will, but I never wanted to take somebody's job. I would never write down a job that I could do. I would tell them I didn't find anything and make them find me something, that is what they are suppose to do or at least that is what I was always told. Seniority should always be first and foremost in any case. I would never want anybody to have to walk a week or day even in my shoes because it sucks! Some claim the seniority people transferred and didn't want to hold the tough jobs so they claim to be hurt. I don't believe that's the case, it's the company's fault for all the screwed up jobs and the people who are suppose to help make them right not doing their job. Seniority is and should always be F FIRST! I for one totally agree with you on this one. For the person legitimately hurt; it makes it hard for them. The fake cripples are not hard to spot either their too hurt to hold a job,on FMLA,and they are always almost out of points because of missing. And when they have been off;the first thing they want to know is where is the roll-out list at. Then they tell you how poor they are and they never get to go anywhere on vacation...and always followed by the ever popular "I'm not going to roll-out or miss because I need the money"...and soon as asked if they want to roll-out they leave their shadow looking around for them. I saw one faker that limped around like Quasimodo after he fell down 10 flights of stairs...when he was asked to roll-out he ran so fast he forget to limp on the way out. Its these scumbags that screw it up for everyone else.
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