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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Nov 5, 2014 23:41:52 GMT -5
70.93 That's the new monthly payment for the bullshit representation we get.
ONE year to new contract.. Pray for improvements.
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Post by turk182 on Nov 6, 2014 10:09:08 GMT -5
Don't pray for change,demand change.Keep in mind these people work for YOU.If you don't get what you want,you have recourse.Contract is the only time you have any power or say-so.Use it.Stand up and speak up.
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Nov 6, 2014 13:41:29 GMT -5
Praying wont help anything. Weve all been here long enough to know, once something is in place, its staying put. Dues wont come down, we wont get the minute back for break, holidays aren't coming back. At most, we might get cola back. The co. may throw us a bone with cola, and the IUAW will come back with their chests pumped out like a conquering hero, saying "look what we got you", and they wont have won us a damn thing.
The guys at the top will continue to reap the benefits of the set up, and the grunts on the line will continue to eat shit, and hope that a few crumbs fall off the table and onto their plate. They'll get their raises, on schedule. They'll get their double dip pensions. And anyone that steps out of line to challenge the status quo will be shouted down, just look at the convention floor when the dues raise was brought up to vote.
What becomes interesting to see now is the amount of pushback that happens this summer in Michigan when RTW goes into full effect. How many will choose to use their Beck rights, and how many will step off the ledge and outright leave the union? Both things will happen, to what degree remains to be seen. I cant imagine working in this environment without a union. The IUAW has lost all touch with the rank and file, the auto industry isn't the same as it was 50yrs ago. And neither is the workforce. They have to win back the workers they already have, more than the workers they are trying to organize. Losing one current dues paying member, is more damaging than the benefits they'll gain by signing up 5 new ones.
The ball is firmly in the unions court. This contract will, I think, ultimately determine if there even is a UAW in 15yrs. They can fight for the rank and file, the ones that have sacrificed time, money, and holidays, or they can stay the course of filling politicians coffers, wasting money to organize plants that will never vote pro union, and worrying about only their own best interests. Your move IUAW.
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Post by truthbearer2014 on Nov 6, 2014 14:28:59 GMT -5
Did anyone pay attention for the past 2 years to what Teamsters Local 89 did with just a little over 100 people? Fought and won their jobs back at LAP with back pay and benefits. We are a much larger and stronger union body. We need to fight this next contract, at all costs. It feels as though forces are against us between the company and UAW, but we can turn it around if we all stick together. The two tier wage started the battle to divide and conquer us, then all the lies. We will shut down blah blah blah..... Save and get ready for next year. We can win back things we have lost, just stick together and don't allow fear to rule.
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Post by catfan50 on Nov 6, 2014 16:06:08 GMT -5
My dues were $71.90 not $70.93. Anyone know why mine would be higher?
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Post by liftman on Nov 6, 2014 16:25:25 GMT -5
We will never see cola again,I have worked here for 20 years and that is where we made our money. It is to expensive and unpredictable the company will say.The union will think that they must get us a small raise so it will be in the third year of the next contract.Mark it down
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 6, 2014 17:32:15 GMT -5
My dues were $71.90 not $70.93. Anyone know why mine would be higher? People have different hourly rates...it's 2 1/2 times your hourly rate.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Nov 6, 2014 17:52:09 GMT -5
Great, GREAT post tryingtomakeit.
The only power we have is the power to withhold our labor. Vote no on anything but a generous contract, and do so EN MASSE, then maybe, just maybe we'll have a little leverage.
But I doubt it.
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Post by srnktp on Nov 6, 2014 18:14:09 GMT -5
Great post Tryingtomakeit.
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Nov 6, 2014 19:06:45 GMT -5
Praying wont help anything. Weve all been here long enough to know, once something is in place, its staying put. Dues wont come down, we wont get the minute back for break, holidays aren't coming back. At most, we might get cola back. The co. may throw us a bone with cola, and the IUAW will come back with their chests pumped out like a conquering hero, saying "look what we got you", and they wont have won us a damn thing. The guys at the top will continue to reap the benefits of the set up, and the grunts on the line will continue to eat shit, and hope that a few crumbs fall off the table and onto their plate. They'll get their raises, on schedule. They'll get their double dip pensions. And anyone that steps out of line to challenge the status quo will be shouted down, just look at the convention floor when the dues raise was brought up to vote. What becomes interesting to see now is the amount of pushback that happens this summer in Michigan when RTW goes into full effect. How many will choose to use their Beck rights, and how many will step off the ledge and outright leave the union? Both things will happen, to what degree remains to be seen. I cant imagine working in this environment without a union. The IUAW has lost all touch with the rank and file, the auto industry isn't the same as it was 50yrs ago. And neither is the workforce. They have to win back the workers they already have, more than the workers they are trying to organize. Losing one current dues paying member, is more damaging than the benefits they'll gain by signing up 5 new ones. The ball is firmly in the unions court. This contract will, I think, ultimately determine if there even is a UAW in 15yrs. They can fight for the rank and file, the ones that have sacrificed time, money, and holidays, or they can stay the course of filling politicians coffers, wasting money to organize plants that will never vote pro union, and worrying about only their own best interests. Your move IUAW. Well said!!! We need to keep this discussion fresh..maybe a weekly update from folks on here. Together win or lose is our best play.
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Post by cal50 on Nov 6, 2014 21:47:01 GMT -5
Your signing bonus and profit sharing will be your next "raise". Actually getting back what we once had ( Xmas bonus & days off ) should be a given but don't hold your breath.
2nd tier is screwed the hardest followed by the rank & file membership that gave back benefits while the company is out of the red into the black. The IUAW is charging all of us more so lets see if they get us more.
If not look for people in Michigan to opt out of dues an anyone else that can do the same .
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 6, 2014 22:46:45 GMT -5
We are paying more for less service. Time to fix this UAW. Better start listening to your people because we're getting tired of this bullshit.
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Post by ktp2727 on Nov 7, 2014 0:04:07 GMT -5
Thinking about resigning from uaw. So tired of this crap getting thrown on us.You can request to resign and still remain employed.Does anyone know of anybody that has done this? I am sure there would be some underhanded reprocussion
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Post by ktp2727 on Nov 7, 2014 0:11:25 GMT -5
In case your wondering its article 6,section 17
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Post by lap65 on Nov 7, 2014 11:59:17 GMT -5
Did anyone pay attention for the past 2 years to what Teamsters Local 89 did with just a little over 100 people? Fought and won their jobs back at LAP with back pay and benefits. We are a much larger and stronger union body. We need to fight this next contract, at all costs. It feels as though forces are against us between the company and UAW, but we can turn it around if we all stick together. The two tier wage started the battle to divide and conquer us, then all the lies. We will shut down blah blah blah..... Save and get ready for next year. We can win back things we have lost, just stick together and don't allow fear to rule. Im still very confused about the teamsters/UAW/voith situation, but you posted on the LAP side that these teamster workers are still not getting what NLRB ruled in their favor on which is why they were striking in front of the plant a couple weeks ago, so I am unclear as to what they actually accomplished that you want us to pay attention to, not trying to be sarcastic, just dont understand. And did their strike accomplish anything?
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Post by truthbearer2014 on Nov 7, 2014 18:41:41 GMT -5
Lap 65 I understand what you are saying. My Teamster friend said Voith the people that parks and loads rail cars at LAP is gone as of Monday 11-10-14, Teamsters is back, 166 are back on the job that they have done for LAP Ford since 1955, with two and half years back pay from Voith, full benefits, seniority where they were two and half years ago, Voith scab employees lost their jobs. Because they were non- union. The Voith employees that clean our restrooms etc. are UAW, but the yard people who did the car and rail jobs were non-union. Did the strike do Teamsters any good? I would say yea it did. Is Teamsters a STRONGER union than UAW? I hope NOT. Now it is OUR TIME, Let's go UAW brothers and sisters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ktp2727 on Nov 8, 2014 0:48:13 GMT -5
If you think the uaw is strong you are sadly mistaken. I had a supervisor doing my work and he told me to call a committemen Which i did but the only ones that could do anything(supposedly)never bothered with it. The supervisor told me he hates that our union is so week because that means his bosses will want him to do more. Pretty sad when supervision laughs at us. Does that sould like a strong union to you.Not me
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Post by truthbearer2014 on Nov 8, 2014 12:28:39 GMT -5
ktp2727 do not get discouraged that equals defeat. Your not defeated it just takes one person to stand up and change things. Go to meetings demand to be heard, call them at home at all hours, vote them out. UAW is a big union, rally everyone to stick together. The people are the UNION..... I hate to repeat but look what 166 Teamsters did, sure it took two years, but ask anyone of them if it was worth it and I bet they will say h$%L yea !!!!!!!!!!! UAW use to rule and it can again. Hang in there and do not give up !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by lap65 on Nov 8, 2014 14:06:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the info truthbearer, again its hard to sort it all out but if thats what our union did then shame on them, no wonder we have heard so little about it, usually we get bombarded by "support our union brothers & sisters" here or there, nothing on this one. And yes salary doing more work than I've ever seen allowed in 22 years, get your reps phone #, get Barry Fords # all the reps have it, blow up their phones over & over when you see it, get Angie Runner's # Ive personally seen her let them have it when they were doing hourly work.
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Post by srnktp on Nov 8, 2014 14:19:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the info truthbearer, again its hard to sort it all out but if thats what our union did then shame on them, no wonder we have heard so little about it, usually we get bombarded by "support our union brothers & sisters" here or there, nothing on this one. And yes salary doing more work than I've ever seen allowed in 22 years, get your reps phone #, get Barry Fords # all the reps have it, blow up their phones over & over when you see it, get Angie Runner's # Ive personally seen her let them have it when they were doing hourly work. If possible, it would be great to have a list of those numbers and other's readily available on the Rumor Mill....
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Post by ktp2727 on Nov 8, 2014 20:16:33 GMT -5
Truebearer i believe you are right but i still feel like there are just to many people scared to stand up,nothing was ever gained by sitting back and hoping something changes. What i find just so funny is how the uaw tried to bash republican candidates by saying they voted theirselves raises but refused to vote to raise minimum wage.Our dues go up!!!and when was the last time we got a raise? What hypocrites
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Post by nra4life on Nov 9, 2014 2:32:46 GMT -5
Always found it amusing that the UAW was bashing Republicans for voting themselves a raise when the UAW international voted themsleves a raise....good stuff
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2014 9:10:33 GMT -5
Plus if you had the power to give yourself a raise wouldn't you???It called being human ..If you don't take care of yourself who does???
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Post by cal50 on Nov 9, 2014 13:45:39 GMT -5
Plus if you had the power to give yourself a raise wouldn't you???It called being human ..If you don't take care of yourself who does??? There is a key difference IF you are elected to a position to serve others or serve yourself 1st.
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Post by truthbearer2014 on Nov 9, 2014 15:15:12 GMT -5
ex-metal man where do you think the money for UAW raises come from? Think about that. Plus who do you think will be paying the fine against UAW for trying to pork the Teamsters? But yet they keep taking more and more from us every contract. Stand together or fall alone.......
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2014 22:48:35 GMT -5
ex-metal man where do you think the money for UAW raises come from? Think about that. Plus who do you think will be paying the fine against UAW for trying to pork the Teamsters? But yet they keep taking more and more from us every contract. Stand together or fall alone....... Not agreeing with any of their actions!! just saying if you had the power to give you and your cronies raises you would.Just like when a certain guy appointed his son to a job people bitched , but wouldn't you do the same for your kid?? Not saying it's right , But that's how it works..
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Post by ktp2727 on Nov 10, 2014 4:12:15 GMT -5
Ex-metalman if your kid is not qualified it's bad wrong
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 10, 2014 22:11:48 GMT -5
I agree 100% but when you have that power. It doesn't matter..and you would do the same..
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Post by ktp2727 on Nov 10, 2014 23:24:20 GMT -5
Nope i wouldn't do the same if their not qualified,and thats whats wrong with people in politics they think of their own personal agenda first instead of the ones that put them in office to do a job
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Post by caprudedawg on Nov 11, 2014 7:40:08 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many raises the IUAW has voted for themselves since the last time we have had a raise?
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