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Post by bulldognuts on Nov 27, 2014 10:55:58 GMT -5
I would like to remind everyone to read Weekly update covering Pedestrians in plant. I'm a forkdriver and this past week had 3 near misses of people walking into aisles not paying attention to their surroundings. One person walked backwards into aisle from a blind spot. Some people take the attitude that forkdrivers should always stop no matter the circumstances. I could cite a lot of reasons why that position is incorrect, but none that is going to matter if someone gets hit. PEDESTRIANS DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY INSIDE THE PLANT: Apparently there is still some confusion on right-of-way concerning pedestrians and PMHV’s when inside the plant. IT IS THE PEDESTRIAN’S RESPONSIBILITY to look for oncoming PMHV traffic before crossing. If a vehicle is nearby, IT IS THE PEDESTRIAN’S RESPONSIBILITY to make sure the driver knows they are in the vicinity and that they intend to cross. In some cases the driver may be distracted and not see you right away and continue to drive down the aisle past you. THE DRIVER HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY and you must wait for the vehicle to pass. The Company is reinforcing that PEDESTRIANS DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY in shared aisles with material handling equipment. Read more: scottrlap.proboards.com/thread/14443/weekly-update-november-21-2014#ixzz3KHg0mfM4
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Post by noneoftheabove on Nov 27, 2014 14:26:05 GMT -5
I don't care if u think lifts have the right of way or not..the fact is if u hit a person who's going up front!!I would also clarify that OSHA will tell you different!!!I don't want anybody hurt but just because ur on a lift doesn't mean ur untouchable.. The fact that u posted this is sending the wrong message to lift drives..OSHA also super seeds anything in a contract!! So put the ego aside and quit thinking one has the right of way over the other and let's be respectful on both sides and look out for each other!!were all on the same team!!!Happy Thanksgiving!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 17:57:21 GMT -5
Main point is staying safe on both ends. Fork drivers have a tough job for the most part as I drove a lift for a few years myself, but now days it sucks. Pedestrians or line workers who have to RUN to the restroom, medical or whatever else may not see a fork or other motorized vehicle in the area. I know in west chasis no one (Mainly Skilled trade supervisors) stops at the posted STOP signs and a near miss happens daily, but health and safety could care less. Im sure OSHA would have a field day inside our plant. Im willing to bet both company and union would get slapped with fines. Stay safe!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 27, 2014 20:30:58 GMT -5
To think keeping the line stocked VS a persons life is bullshit..Most drivers act like you are keeping from doing their job when you do cross in front of them..Come on you'll still get to leave early..
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Post by noneoftheabove on Nov 27, 2014 20:59:46 GMT -5
I would love to see how many actually have a valid drives license and can pass a drug test..
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Post by justaworker on Nov 27, 2014 21:21:35 GMT -5
I don't care if u think lifts have the right of way or not..the fact is if u hit a person who's going up front!!I would also clarify that OSHA will tell you different!!!I don't want anybody hurt but just because ur on a lift doesn't mean ur untouchable.. The fact that u posted this is sending the wrong message to lift drives..OSHA also super seeds anything in a contract!! So put the ego aside and quit thinking one has the right of way over the other and let's be respectful on both sides and look out for each other!!were all on the same team!!!Happy Thanksgiving!! If a fork hits a person, for driver goes up front, guy that gets hit goes to hospital. Who gets the better end of that deal? Bottom line, as a pedestrian it's your job to make sure you don't get hit. Stay in the aisles, and pay attention.
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Post by bulldognuts on Nov 27, 2014 21:31:17 GMT -5
I don't care if u think lifts have the right of way or not..the fact is if u hit a person who's going up front!!I would also clarify that OSHA will tell you different!!!I don't want anybody hurt but just because ur on a lift doesn't mean ur untouchable.. The fact that u posted this is sending the wrong message to lift drives..OSHA also super seeds anything in a contract!! So put the ego aside and quit thinking one has the right of way over the other and let's be respectful on both sides and look out for each other!!were all on the same team!!!Happy Thanksgiving!! Noneoftheabove I did not post this to start some kind of fight I was just trying to remind people that no matter who's fault it is if you get hit by a 6000 lb. fork it can ruin your day. I don't believe many people realize that there is huge blind spots created by the mast on most forks. When you are running backwards you have to constantly check your load which requires you to periodically turn your head to see that load is still riding stable, no different than checking sideview mirrors while driving car. If some one steps out into aisle especially from a blind corner not much a driver can do except to slam on brakes and pray. I don't know what you are talking about telling me to put my ego aside, this isn't about my ego or feelings. I have no doubt that you see unsafe practices every day and that is exactly what I'm talking about. The management has no intention of stopping people blowing through stops, not using their horns and many other unsafe things going on. It is up to all of us to watch out for ourselves and others. I would hate to see some one killed or seriously injured because they believe they have the right of way and are going to prove it. I have been driving fork for 9 years and will take a drug test any time, Ijust hope there is never a need to.
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Post by noneoftheabove on Nov 27, 2014 21:54:40 GMT -5
I'm just stating facts OSHA superseeds any flier.I have also stated both sides and as far as ego's I see many driver's whipping around corners, blowing stop signs and just flat driving like complete idiot's..that's what I ment about egos when that flier came out most drivers act like its OK for them to drive that way!! I'm not fighting I JUST WANT MYSELF AS EVERYONE ELSE TO LEAVE WORK THE SAME AS THEY CAME IN!!!Are you your brothers keeper.I'm not saying that to be one sided because line workers need to pay attention I've seen to many walk across isles without even looking!! I have transferred from another plant to be at lap and love everything we have accomplished as union brothers and sisters and do not want to be put in a negative spotlight because somebody got killed by a lift.I'm just rambling now have a happy Thanksgiving and please EVERYBODY BE SAFE!!
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Post by lap65 on Nov 28, 2014 0:42:45 GMT -5
At the risk of being labeled a troll again lol, I will weigh in also. I too drive a fork, if you read what bulldog said, those near misses happened because of the pedestrians not paying attention. In my area most of our drivers pay close attention & are safe drivers, there are always a few that are idiots & they should be held accountable for that. But pedestrians in my area are constantly every day walking in areas that are for forks only, walking through the plant with earbuds in, talking on the phone & texting, coming out of a line without looking, walking behind you & never saying a word to let you know they are there, its a miracle someone hasn't been killed. The point the flier & bulldog are both making is pay attention, stop doing all these above things, he isn't condoning bad drivers behavior. When an area is clearly marked with a red line a pedestrian is never to be in that area for any reason, that is Material handling only, yet people cut through all the time & get angry when they almost get hit, we aren't expecting anyone to be there, much less texting at the same time. I made the mistake of saying something to a young woman once when she was walking down the middle of the aisle texting, she never even looked up, just gave the finger, I was respectful with what I said & what she didnt realize or didnt care was that I was trying to save her life, that was 2 years ago...she's still doing it. If you aren't doing these things then we aren't talking to you, but if you are we are trying to save your life as well as keep us from having to live with having hurt or killed someone. No punishment they could give up front even losing my job would be as bad as having to live with that. So it has nothing to do with ego, its about saving your life & yes it goes both ways but in my experience there are far far more pedestrian violations than driver violations. I used to be one of those idiots that would step out of an aisle in a hurry & get aggravated because I almost got hit, I didn't understand until I started driving, those forks don't stop on a dime & the blind spots completely block your vision in places. So its all of our responsibility to stay safe yes, but you as a pedestrian have much more control over your safety than we as a driver do for the simple fact that we cant always see you & we cant stop on a dime. Its my prayer that no ever gets hurt or killed, but I think we can do a lot ourselves to keep that from happening.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 28, 2014 9:24:54 GMT -5
I work at ktp and part of my job in bs requires that I push a full rack across the aisle way ..a lot of times our driver (which is very dangerous .hes crushed elec. boxes, tore up stock etc.) will come flying around the corner and I'm all the way in the middle of the aisle he will pull right up to me like I'm slowing him down.I keep thinking he's gonna hit me.Hes gonna catch me on a bad day and I'm gonna jerk his ass off there.Most drivers I know at ktp have attitudes..
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Post by lap65 on Nov 28, 2014 12:55:51 GMT -5
If he's done all that he should be disqualified, one on c crew over here just was recently, so it does happen & should if they are tearing things up & scaring people. Every driver is going to have a mishap, you just don't do what they do for 10+ hours every day & be perfect, but if its a pattern & they don't care, I don't want them driving either.
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Post by buggaman on Nov 28, 2014 14:34:11 GMT -5
I am sure this post started as just a reminder to pedestrians with good intentions. Original poster was a little near sighted to think people would not chime in from a different perspective. Bottom line is this... We are a family here and need to take care of each other because the company will not. Everyone has a bad day every now and then and the best we can do is take the high road and try to be respectful to each other. Everyone can be impatient and intolerant its just human nature. The key is for everyone to be safe and go home to your other family...both driver and pedestrian.
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Post by noneoftheabove on Nov 28, 2014 16:38:41 GMT -5
65 troll..jk..don't be mad in my post above I have stated both sides and I do not want to see anybody hurt!!I have recently had a near miss while walking inside yellow lines and fork driver almost backed up and hit me then told me he had the right of way..I immediately reported the near miss and a couple days later that bs flier came out which that driver acted as if he was justified.. No horn no look back no nothing from him he was on other side of isle..I'm not arguing about the idiots that are crossing isles or in red zones.I was in no way in fault that was what I was talking about driver ego's. There are good drivers and employees who obey rules.its the retards like that make me want to yank their dumbasses out of the fork and curb stomp them..some of it goes on younger seniority that havnt learn to respect union brothers and sisters..have a wonderful day troll.jk.and enjoy your holiday.
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Post by lap65 on Nov 28, 2014 20:36:30 GMT -5
Not mad at all bro. Just trying to help people stay safe, that driver absolutely should have looked behind him & needs to drop the attitude, however I tend to to get a little attitude on occasion if its the same person over & over trying to walk behind you & never saying anything & that includes supervision also, I don't know what happened after the retool, but hardly anyone says a word when walking behind a fork anymore, you should always say even if they look, loudly, hey behind you. Sometimes you are concentrating on the load you are unstacking as you back out & you need that individual to say hey & get your attention. Not saying that's you at all just saying it happens way too much, we should look every time, & pedestrians should speak up every time. We are both responsible. The real problem is management, they don't enforce anything, if they would start busting both sides that are in the wrong & making it stick it would get a lot better, but we know that won't happen, so we just have to take care of each other & make sure no one gets hurt. Hope you enjoy your holiday also.
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Post by bulldognuts on Nov 28, 2014 22:38:57 GMT -5
I am sure this post started as just a reminder to pedestrians with good intentions. Original poster was a little near sighted to think people would not chime in from a different perspective. Bottom line is this... We are a family here and need to take care of each other because the company will not. Everyone has a bad day every now and then and the best we can do is take the high road and try to be respectful to each other. Everyone can be impatient and intolerant its just human nature. The key is for everyone to be safe and go home to your other family...both driver and pedestrian. buggaman I did not think that there would not be a response from others point of view. My second response was directed at noneoftheabove. Instead of just giving a Intelligent response and pointing out that there is some Idiots on forks he Immediately claims this is about ego, and goes on to say that he believes that many are on drugs and probably do not have a license. This is a clear indication that he has no clue what he is talking about. The management does not care about safety beyond covering their own ass. I'm just going to restate what I originally said, fault will not matter if some one gets hit. What will matter is whether that person finds themselves waking up at the hospital with possibly life threatening injuries, or their families getting a phone call telling them that their loved one is dead Let me add that if you see a forkdriver repeatedly driving in a unsafe manner then you should call union rep and ask them to bring safety reps down and put a stop to it. Because every one who as commented on this is right we have to watch out for each other, and if a fork driver is getting an attitude about being safe around people he should be stopped. That is not going to happen unless someone speaks up. .
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Post by noneoftheabove on Nov 29, 2014 6:58:52 GMT -5
If u think I have no clue you are sadly mistaken..17 yrs in and if you think all drivers are drug free and have valid license it is u that has no clue..that goes for line workers as well.
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Post by lap65 on Nov 29, 2014 8:17:04 GMT -5
Lol. Agreed, anyone who would walk through an assembly plant with earbuds in or on their phone etc, must be on drugs. Maybe pedestrians need a test for a "walking" license in the plant, to make sure they know whats legal & what isn't. Would love to see that percentage vs drivers who have a valid license. (Tongue in cheek, none of the above, just yanking your chain ).
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Post by william on Dec 1, 2014 7:15:04 GMT -5
You can not see everything around you on a forklift.They dont even let the drivers have rear view mirrors.
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Post by william on Dec 1, 2014 7:16:18 GMT -5
You can not see everything around you on a forklift.They dont even let the drivers have rear view mirrors.
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Post by william on Dec 1, 2014 7:21:55 GMT -5
People take short cuts in between stock play on there phones.Just because your in the yellow lines doesn't make you safe.You are responsible for your safety,dont go near a lift unless you make eye contact.Lift driver has huge blind spots.
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Post by mffrankenstein on Dec 1, 2014 9:29:45 GMT -5
But the problem is that people still think they have the right of way. I know better and have been on and around forklifts for years. Yes there are a few fork drivers that dont pay attention and drive the lifts like they stole them BUT right of way or not, why take a chance with a piece of equipment that can weigh over 10000 lbs. Is your right of way that damn important you are willing to risk being hurt or killed over it. Sorry, but i'm giving lift drivers the right of way. AND if you are walking through this plant screwing with your phone or wearing ear buds if you get hurt, not sorry bc your a fucking idiot.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 1, 2014 17:56:37 GMT -5
I see them at ktp driving backwards talking on their phone ,so there's fucking idiots on both sides..
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Post by lap65 on Dec 1, 2014 20:11:56 GMT -5
Wow, Im a driver & I would report that myself. Insane
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Post by bulldognuts on Dec 1, 2014 22:17:13 GMT -5
Please disregard all of my previous post. Please assume all forklift drivers are unlicensed, drug taking, egomaniacs whose only desire is to run you over. If thinking this way will keep you alert and prevent you from walking out into an aisle without looking then that is a good thing. All kidding aside, I do understand that there are some problem drivers, but the truth is the company will not likely do anything about them until they hurt someone or cause high dollar damage. The people that are on forks that are guilty of serious violations are not likely to care about what anybody says or thinks. I started this thread because I do care about somebody getting hurt and only wanted to get people thinking about checking both directions before stepping into aisle. Stay safe everyone and have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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