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Post by turbo350 on Dec 10, 2014 11:53:52 GMT -5
So you want us "Legacy" workers to not take a raise so that the tier 2 can have a raise. Dream on. I can see a 3% for us and maybe a 6% for you
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Post by ihatemyjob on Dec 10, 2014 12:31:35 GMT -5
Legacy employees are essentially losing $20k a year from what we were making. Only reason all these extra jobs exist is because the 2 tier is cheaper. If they wanted to pay full wages to everyone then they would go back to 2 shifts running 50 and 58 hrs a week. All that overtime equals about $20k per employee that we gave up so 2 tier can have jobs.
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 13:25:36 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemmaen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)The prideful UAW originals would be disgusted to see folks like you contribute to the destruction of our solidarity. Workers who stick together and look out for each other deserve a raise. People like you who don't give a crap about anyone but yourself don't deserve a raise, or any other benefit that you've gained on the backs of the old timers who looked out for each other. Put that in your pipe and smoke it twitchy anus. Personal attacks now? Yep, Just another UAW suck ass. Probably an appointed position. LOL, you called me a liar, a suck-ass, and a shitstain, but when I give it right back to you you cry "Personal attacks now?" Typical person who can dish it out but can't take it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 13:34:48 GMT -5
Personal attacks now? Yep, Just another UAW suck ass. Probably an appointed position. LOL, you called me a liar, a suck-ass, and a shitstain, but when I give it right back to you you cry "Personal attacks now?" Typical person who can dish it out but can't take it. Yea, I guess I did. Late nights at work will make you tired. Either way I know for a fact now that you are an appointed POS suck ass.
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 13:38:19 GMT -5
maybe we should have a poll to see if we think he is a scumbag? Yes he/she is. This is the person that sits in the front row of every UAW meeting and claps their hands every time one of the almighty speak. This is the type of person that has divided the UAW and will only keep making matters worse. Because of trash like this, this is why I would vote for Kentucky to be a right to work state and I never would of said this 10 years ago when the union workers were the definition of Solidarity. . But scum like the OP have tarnished everything the UAW stands for. I'll comment on some of your points: 1. Haven't been to a union meeting in a while and never clap or sit in front, nor think anyone is almighty. You're wrong on that one. 2. I believe in us all being equals and not divided like we are by 2-tier. You are the divisive one. You're wrong on that one too. 3. Being called trash by someone whos forum name is analspasm is extremely ironic. And you're incorrect on that one as well. 4. Supporting right-to-work legislation is anti-union and anti-worker, which fits perfectly with the rest of your logic. This is shameful. Folks like you who personally attack other people but then cry when they give it back are pathetic. Don't dish it out if you can't take it twitchy anus
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 13:39:34 GMT -5
LOL, you called me a liar, a suck-ass, and a shitstain, but when I give it right back to you you cry "Personal attacks now?" Typical person who can dish it out but can't take it. Yea, I guess I did. Late nights at work will make you tired. Either way I know for a fact now that you are an appointed POS suck ass. Only if you believe other peoples bullshit as much as you believe your own, LOL. You have no idea what you're talking about. If you KNOW this for a FACT then you have zero credibility at this point. You my friend are the one who is a liar. Boldfaced. And liars absolutely cannot be trusted. Although, I would love to have one of those appointed positions. But you wouldn't because you're hardcore right?...
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Post by blackbird66 on Dec 10, 2014 13:48:32 GMT -5
Two tier is bad for all of us. I can't believe the animosity that seems to be held here. That we sacrificed to provide those jobs? I think we should be ashamed that we allowed for a lower tier.
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Post by noneoftheabove on Dec 10, 2014 16:05:29 GMT -5
Whoever police's this site should have this poll taken down!!!!
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Post by justaworker on Dec 10, 2014 17:41:38 GMT -5
Whoever police's this site should have this poll taken down!!!! I thought about it, but the 3rd grade logic behind it made me laugh.
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Post by wildcats34 on Dec 10, 2014 18:52:43 GMT -5
Machination is right dont expect many two tier votes for any gains legacy workers might try to get in the future if we (I) can't make the same money. Ill get criticized for that on here but oh well. Two tier is only about 20 percent of the work force now but will continue to grow. Eventually there will be enough votes to change things. Financial gain isnt the issue with me its the principle. My point is what comes around goes around. When we are the majority well remember how there wasnt enough support to get us to the same pay and benefits. Hopefully everybody prospers as one this next contract.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 10, 2014 19:53:07 GMT -5
Legacy workers will all be retired when you have that many votes.Then all workers will make the same pay.The lower wage of course.Hopefully us legacies will get buyout offers or early retirement next contract then you guys can move up.
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Post by machination on Dec 10, 2014 20:11:18 GMT -5
Whoever police's this site should have this poll taken down!!!! I thought about it, but the 3rd grade logic behind it made me laugh. You, as a MODERATOR, thought about taken this thread down because you personally disagree with it? I'm just trying to understand your statement better. I'm curious to know what forum rule I broke that would warrant my thread being deleted by a moderator. I could be wrong, but I don't think it would be ethical if it was removed due to someone simply disagreeing with it. That would be censorship. Would you, please, clarify what in the original post would legitimately warrant the removal of the thread or poll.
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Post by justaworker on Dec 10, 2014 20:42:35 GMT -5
I thought about it, but the 3rd grade logic behind it made me laugh. You, as a MODERATOR, thought about taken this thread down because you personally disagree with it? I'm just trying to understand your statement better. Not that you care, but for the clarity of others. I thought about taking it down because the way it is worded, it is very obvious trolling. I'm curious to know what forum rule I broke that would warrant my thread being deleted by a moderator. I could be wrong, but I don't think it would be ethical if it was removed due to someone simply disagreeing with it. That would be censorship. Would you, please, clarify what in the original post would legitimately warrant the removal of the thread or poll.
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Post by toddstang on Dec 10, 2014 20:44:09 GMT -5
Wow! Nothing good to say about this thread and poll at all. Normally I like to read posts on here but this not so much.
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Post by justaworker on Dec 10, 2014 20:44:17 GMT -5
Not that you care, but for the clarity of others. I thought about deleting it because the way it is worded, it is very obvious trolling.
Carry on
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Post by mffrankenstein on Dec 10, 2014 21:04:09 GMT -5
Theres no fucking way the legacy workers are going to pass on getting a raise so us 2tier, yes im 2 tier, can get more money....NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN..
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Post by justaworker on Dec 10, 2014 21:29:49 GMT -5
Theres no fucking way the legacy workers are going to pass on getting a raise so us 2tier, yes im 2 tier, can get more money....NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN.. I'm sure you're right. But that's never going to be a choice.
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Post by lap65 on Dec 10, 2014 23:09:02 GMT -5
I wont be surprised if they offer neither of us anything next contract other than a signing bonus, will try & take more, just my opinion but nothing short of a strike will increase any of our wages & that wont happen.
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Post by brizzel on Dec 10, 2014 23:11:33 GMT -5
Machination is right dont expect many two tier votes for any gains legacy workers might try to get in the future if we (I) can't make the same money. Ill get criticized for that on here but oh well. Two tier is only about 20 percent of the work force now but will continue to grow. Eventually there will be enough votes to change things. Financial gain isnt the issue with me its the principle. My point is what comes around goes around. When we are the majority well remember how there wasnt enough support to get us to the same pay and benefits. Hopefully everybody prospers as one this next contract. Twenty percent max. Never have majority.
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Post by blackbird66 on Dec 11, 2014 5:30:18 GMT -5
Machination is right dont expect many two tier votes for any gains legacy workers might try to get in the future if we (I) can't make the same money. Ill get criticized for that on here but oh well. Two tier is only about 20 percent of the work force now but will continue to grow. Eventually there will be enough votes to change things. Financial gain isnt the issue with me its the principle. My point is what comes around goes around. When we are the majority well remember how there wasnt enough support to get us to the same pay and benefits. Hopefully everybody prospers as one this next contract. Twenty percent max. Never have majority. Keep telling yourself that.
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Post by whiskerfish1 on Dec 11, 2014 7:59:38 GMT -5
Good lord people !!!! Don't you realize the company is watching this forum and laughing at us. One of the reasons for two tiers was to create division within the union leading to failure of the union. I will say again that this is a public forum which anyone can read and see the division.
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Post by wildcats34 on Dec 11, 2014 8:10:58 GMT -5
Well you might be retired but ill be voting against your retiree benefits so I can get a raise.
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Post by wildcats34 on Dec 11, 2014 8:12:15 GMT -5
If im here 20 years I will be the majority.
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Post by blackbird66 on Dec 11, 2014 9:41:30 GMT -5
Well you might be retired but ill be voting against your retiree benefits so I can get a raise. That's what I'm talking about. That's why ending this double standard for workers should be priority #1.
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Post by wildcats34 on Dec 11, 2014 11:08:46 GMT -5
Trust me I dont want to be like that, but if im 7 to 10 years in and the guy next to me continues to receive contractual gains far above me its only human nature to start thinking about your self only.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 11, 2014 11:27:29 GMT -5
I'm betting we don't get a raise..Also before 2023 when we really get a lot of retirements, the Co. Will ask to raise that 20% ..That way they can replace the workers that retire with lower paid workers.And I'm also betting that the wanna bes will never get full pay like the legacy workers.But I'm hoping this next contract they offer buyouts or early outs and a wanna be can take my place while I'm out of here ..
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Post by machination on Dec 11, 2014 12:11:18 GMT -5
I was hoping this poll would provoke a good, strong discussion of this issue, and I'm glad it has. One thing is certain: We, as workers who only have the good aspects of what we have (the middle-class life) due to the efforts of decades of unionized negotiation and the blood, sweat, and tears of the parents and grandparents and beyond that came before us, who fought harder for what we have than we have, must be united and have each others backs. We don't want to be the generation of workers that failed to help the next. We must be united. That's what a real union and brotherhood, that everyone seems to say they want, is.
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Post by blackbird66 on Dec 11, 2014 12:21:15 GMT -5
I'm betting we don't get a raise..Also before 2023 when we really get a lot of retirements, the Co. Will ask to raise that 20% ..That way they can replace the workers that retire with lower paid workers.And I'm also betting that the wanna bes will never get full pay like the legacy workers.But I'm hoping this next contract they offer buyouts or early outs and a wanna be can take my place while I'm out of here .. That has been my prediction all along.
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Post by ktpgirl on Dec 11, 2014 14:01:10 GMT -5
Why would legacy workers give up raises for new hires? Are those new hires going to pay our bills with their increase? I will not vote for anything that doesn't benefit me so if I'm selfish, so be it.
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Post by saugerman on Dec 11, 2014 14:06:21 GMT -5
I was hoping this poll would provoke a good, strong discussion of this issue, and I'm glad it has. One thing is certain: We, as workers who only have the good aspects of what we have (the middle-class life) due to the efforts of decades of unionized negotiation and the blood, sweat, and tears of the parents and grandparents and beyond that came before us, who fought harder for what we have than we have, must be united and have each others backs. We don't want to be the generation of workers that failed to help the next. We must be united. That's what a real union and brotherhood, that everyone seems to say they want, is.[/quot do you even read the bullshit that you post before you hit the button? You might try doing just that and then you will see how stupid these posts of your are....but deel feel to keep babling like a idiot. i love hearing someone talking out of both sides of their mouth then try to back up and justify their stupidity. But please carry on
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