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Post by hanswolo77 on May 18, 2015 13:12:58 GMT -5
Hearing separate contracts will be different depending on pay tier. What's the word?
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Post by saugerman on May 18, 2015 13:20:20 GMT -5
rumors rumors rumors...wait till contract time.. and we will be told then what is up...don't get all wound up with something that hasn't happened yet
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 18, 2015 14:04:41 GMT -5
No shit..Don't see that happening,but we will see.Did hear this one last night,200,000 $ buyout for legacy,and an increase in 1st tier %.And of course a NEW middle tier which will be the new hires here now..I sorta believe the buyout thing.Cause if I'm Ford I want all the legacies gone b4 they retire which will really start in 8 yrs.Why not cast out some bait now..Maybe there some people that have other ventures in place and would love to work for themselves the rest of their lives.(me)
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Post by bluelu on May 18, 2015 14:05:29 GMT -5
Wait until we see the highlights of the contract proposal. What a joke. You won't know whats realy in the contract until you get the contract book. You never know what you ate voting on until then. They lie about everything.
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Post by Ktp1989 on May 18, 2015 14:12:54 GMT -5
Rumors starting early
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 18, 2015 14:12:56 GMT -5
For a new member id have to admit that's the truth the whole truth.Theres so many small items that POP UP thru out the contract that you never even heard of until it goes down..Id be happy with a .75 cent raise ,12 months for AWOL to fall off and max of 10 hrs for a work day ..that's just me tho.
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Post by gator on May 18, 2015 14:56:57 GMT -5
It's not the highlights you should focus on but the Lowlights that you won't see or know about until after the fact.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 15:39:32 GMT -5
I believe there willbe buyouts. The prior buyout money was taken from the pension fund. The pension is back to 100% funded so yeah, they will offer buyouts if u want em I feel sure. I'll stay myself.
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Post by lappaintql on May 18, 2015 17:17:23 GMT -5
I heard rumor they are giving raises to everyone but those that start rumors.
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 18, 2015 18:01:57 GMT -5
I almost could see that with all the ass kissers that work here..
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Post by fedupfred on May 18, 2015 19:03:32 GMT -5
We need to go back to 12 months on AWOL's for sure. 10 hours a day is more than enough , these 11's are bullcrap !!!
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Post by blackbird66 on May 19, 2015 5:20:29 GMT -5
I believe there willbe buyouts. The prior buyout money was taken from the pension fund. The pension is back to 100% funded so yeah, they will offer buyouts if u want em I feel sure. I'll stay myself. Pension is still under funded.
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Post by saugerman on May 19, 2015 10:34:57 GMT -5
Wait until we see the highlights of the contract proposal. What a joke. You won't know whats realy in the contract until you get the contract book. You never know what you ate voting on until then. They lie about everything. [/quot so whats your answer? start running in circles screaming the sky is falling?....
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Post by nra4life on May 19, 2015 11:14:14 GMT -5
I believe there willbe buyouts. The prior buyout money was taken from the pension fund. The pension is back to 100% funded so yeah, they will offer buyouts if u want em I feel sure. I'll stay myself. Pension is still under funded. According to the statement I recieved in the mail a couple weeks back the pension is actually funded at 101%. Almost positive that is what it stated. Ford US was funded at 97% at the end of 2014, last paragraph of this article confirms that. m.pionline.com/article/20150129/ONLINE/150129843/ford-to-contribute-11-billion-to-pension-plans-in-2015
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Post by blackbird66 on May 19, 2015 11:17:17 GMT -5
Mr. Schloss said that worldwide, Ford's pension plans remained underfunded by $9 billion as of Dec. 31, “unchanged from the year-end 2013 despite significantly lower discount rates, down 80 basis points in the U.S. and about 100 basis points in non-U.S. markets.” Quote from your link.
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Post by nra4life on May 19, 2015 12:54:25 GMT -5
You do realize Worldwide & US are seperate funds right? US was funded at 97% at the end of 2015 & last week the statement mailed out said it was funded 101% i believe. Pension funds, like profits, are kept seperate between US & global.
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Post by blackbird66 on May 19, 2015 13:04:34 GMT -5
You do realize Worldwide & US are seperate funds right? US was funded at 97% at the end of 2015 & last week the statement mailed out said it was funded 101% i believe. Pension funds, like profits, are kept seperate between US & global. Last numbers I was able to see showed we were still under funded. And that's under the assumption of whatever return they choose to project for the investments. It is always possible to raise the projected returns in order to make the fund look better on paper. I don't have those numbers in front of me, but the article you linked to did not counter my statement, nor defend yours.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 14:46:19 GMT -5
There was a letter that said our pension fund, the one for uaw represented hourly employees is funded at 101%. What you seem to be referring to may be the pension for management, or maybe ford India for all I know. Either way it is irrelevant to this discussion. The pension that you and I may one day draw from is fully funded. That being the case there will prolly be buyouts offered . Simple stuff here guys.....
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Post by tryingtomakeit on May 19, 2015 15:04:08 GMT -5
I am curious to see if they offer buyouts, what the number will be. If they float that 200K out there, they'll get takers. A lot of guys that have done their homework, and are looking for an out, and they'll get the morons that think 200K is like hitting the lottery. Gonna get my popcorn ready, should be interesting.
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Post by rclap on May 19, 2015 15:30:16 GMT -5
Looks like we're getting the Gatorade machines we shoulda got last time...that's probably about it.
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Post by pmooret on May 21, 2015 3:50:10 GMT -5
For a new member id have to admit that's the truth the whole truth.Theres so many small items that POP UP thru out the contract that you never even heard of until it goes down..Id be happy with a .75 cent raise ,12 months for AWOL to fall off and max of 10 hrs for a work day ..that's just me tho. After ten years of no raises or COLA you'd be happy with a 75 cent raise! Hell, last contract they gave the new hires a dollar raise and never blinked an eye. They "SUSPENDED" our raises, COLA, etc. until the market improved (or some kind of reason like that) and now it's time to "UNSUSPEND" the raises. Like they say, "If you dance you got to pay the fiddler". The way I see it it's simply a matter of physics, with all the overtime and launches we have been busier than a two pecker puppy and with all of the profits the company is making they don't have a leg to stand on to support their argument of not giving us raises.
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 21, 2015 4:36:46 GMT -5
I agree but I'm being realistic..We ain't gonna get anything back...So ?
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Post by blackbird66 on May 21, 2015 6:06:21 GMT -5
I agree but I'm being realistic..We ain't gonna get anything back...So ? I think we will get a raise. We will get more money up front, and that will come from our healthcare benefits. The union has stated publicly that the membership needs to be educated to the real rising healthcare cost, and that we must be brought in line with a more realistic benefit. I believe Obama care is the model they plan to model our insurance after. Likely in steps, not all at once. We will be told what we're getting. We won't be told what we traded in exchange for it. It's a shell game we can't win.
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Post by tryingtomakeit on May 21, 2015 8:38:53 GMT -5
I think you are right, we will get raises at the cost of our health care. We will be forced on to Obamacare and the pricks at the international level will tell us what a great thing it is. All the while we will continue to pay for their healthcare thru our dues. Count on that.
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Post by pmooret on May 21, 2015 13:41:05 GMT -5
"COUNT ON THAT". Looks like no matter how pitiful of a contract they bring us we can count on the last three posters to vote yes. You can count on the company to give us a low ball contract as that is how a negotiation generally goes, i.e. buying a house, used car, furniture, something off of Craig's List; hopefully, you know how to negotiate with your "No" vote.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:43:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they are yes votes. I've never voted yes on a union contract anywhere I ever worked. I agree with everything they said. I've been saying a long long time we would get forced onto obamacare. Ford will most likely offer a stipend, maybe they call it the "raise" everyone is looking for. And we will buy our insurance in the "marketplace" otherwise known as obamacare. It doesn't mean I'm voting for it.....
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:49:08 GMT -5
For a new member id have to admit that's the truth the whole truth.Theres so many small items that POP UP thru out the contract that you never even heard of until it goes down..Id be happy with a .75 cent raise ,12 months for AWOL to fall off and max of 10 hrs for a work day ..that's just me tho. After ten years of no raises or COLA you'd be happy with a 75 cent raise! Hell, last contract they gave the new hires a dollar raise and never blinked an eye. They "SUSPENDED" our raises, COLA, etc. until the market improved (or some kind of reason like that) and now it's time to "UNSUSPEND" the raises. Like they say, "If you dance you got to pay the fiddler". The way I see it it's simply a matter of physics, with all the overtime and launches we have been busier than a two pecker puppy and with all of the profits the company is making they don't have a leg to stand on to support their argument of not giving us raises. Pmooret: man I really wish the world still worked that way. U r right in everything u said. The thing is, it just doesn't matter. Ford looks at how cheap labor is for their competitors and how kicking us down makes the stock look better to investors than anything dealing with being "fair" to us. It's just not in the equation anymore. God, I wish it was.
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Post by fordoval on May 21, 2015 22:58:51 GMT -5
Wow. This guy wants to talk like the company just gave the new hires a dollar raise without batting an eye. But u fail to remember that they weren't even in the plant when that contract was voted on. So your the one that voted it in. And now try to claim like they are doing them a favor.
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Post by assface33 on May 21, 2015 23:33:42 GMT -5
Wow. This guy wants to talk like the company just gave the new hires a dollar raise without batting an eye. But u fail to remember that they weren't even in the plant when that contract was voted on. So your the one that voted it in. And now try to claim like they are doing them a favor. hes right, yall voted think some before you say something! AHA GOTTEM'
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 22, 2015 5:58:29 GMT -5
"COUNT ON THAT". Looks like no matter how pitiful of a contract they bring us we can count on the last three posters to vote yes. You can count on the company to give us a low ball contract as that is how a negotiation generally goes, i.e. buying a house, used car, furniture, something off of Craig's List; hopefully, you know how to negotiate with your "No" vote. Only way I'll vote yes is if (I) get an early retirement (I) can live with or a big buyout !!Never voted yes on shit here .So count me as a no..
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