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Post by lap65 on May 22, 2015 9:58:58 GMT -5
[/quote] Pmooret: man I really wish the world still worked that way. U r right in everything u said. The thing is, it just doesn't matter. Ford looks at how cheap labor is for their competitors and how kicking us down makes the stock look better to investors than anything dealing with being "fair" to us. It's just not in the equation anymore. God, I wish it was.[/quote]
Please stop buying into the how cheap labor is for their competitors koolaid. My brother works at toyota in Georgetown, he makes almost exactly the same per hour. Has comparable health insurance & gets several bonuses per year. Its the CEO's, vice president's etc who are making 5 to 10 times more than their counterparts who are our competitors.
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Post by tryingtomakeit on May 22, 2015 11:44:21 GMT -5
"COUNT ON THAT". Looks like no matter how pitiful of a contract they bring us we can count on the last three posters to vote yes. You can count on the company to give us a low ball contract as that is how a negotiation generally goes, i.e. buying a house, used car, furniture, something off of Craig's List; hopefully, you know how to negotiate with your "No" vote. You'd be counting wrong. Haven't voted for the last 3 contracts, im sure i wont vote yes on this one. Just a realist. The iuaw will throw us under the bus, and protect their raises, and healthcare.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 11:46:12 GMT -5
It's about how much return a shareholder can expect for their dollar. Overall Toyota is the highest paying competitor we have. How much does Nissan pay in Mississippi? I don't agree with it, but it's the way it is. How much can ford pay in Mexico? Does the consumer care where their truck is made anymore ? I haven't drank anyone's koolaid, but I can see the writing on the wall
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Post by blackbird66 on May 22, 2015 12:27:00 GMT -5
It's about how much return a shareholder can expect for their dollar. Overall Toyota is the highest paying competitor we have. How much does Nissan pay in Mississippi? I don't agree with it, but it's the way it is. How much can ford pay in Mexico? Does the consumer care where their truck is made anymore ? I haven't drank anyone's koolaid, but I can see the writing on the wall Don't know today, but when we agreed to two tier, so did Mexican union( in return for production of the fiesta). At that time 2nd tier was under $2/hour. China can't even compete with that. Share holder returns? The UAW is a major shareholder thanks to VEBA. So protecting shareholders returns is a larger priority of our union.......... Conflict of interest? You bet!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 12:52:56 GMT -5
Well investment return per dollar depends on a lot more than just hourly wages also.
I don't know how the whole "uaw as a shareholder" thing works out. The uaw is a tax exempt non-profit. They can't turn a profit at all. Our local isn't even really supposed to have a money market account ( which they do) because of that non-profit status.
Personally, my kid is grown and gone. Everything I own is paid for. I will vote no. Koolaid or no koolaid
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Post by ktpgal89 on May 22, 2015 18:09:47 GMT -5
I'm an automatic no...
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Post by william on May 26, 2015 12:50:28 GMT -5
I keep hearing some people say so and so works at toyota in Georgetown and makes same as us. Do we know the numbers of lower paid people working at toyota? It was pretty high number a few years ago.
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Post by raws2ktp on May 26, 2015 22:26:07 GMT -5
I know someone who works at Toyota and he said when they hire in it takes 10 years to make it to full wage. This may explain the lower cost for their workers.
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Post by justaworker on May 26, 2015 22:35:37 GMT -5
I keep hearing some people say so and so works at toyota in Georgetown and makes same as us. Do we know the numbers of lower paid people working at toyota? It was pretty high number a few years ago. I have a buddy that works there, I asked him about all that awhile back. Apparently, they hire most people in as temps and keep them as temps for years. Once a full time employee though, their wages and insurance are very comparable to ours. But they lose out on many of the protections that a union provides.
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