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Post by tiger66 on Jun 13, 2015 11:54:52 GMT -5
Right now the launch of the new f150 is not going well. Ford is losing market share to GM because they can't build enough trucks. Both companies are making billions of dollars and times are good. What better time to get a great contract? We may not get this opportunity again in our career. I'm talking raises every year of contract, cola back, break time back, and a great signing bonus. Ford cannot afford a strike at this time and neither can GM because they are gaining on us. May take a few weeks of strike but it will pay off in the long run. Thoughts?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 13, 2015 12:45:05 GMT -5
I'm all in!!!
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Post by dadoftwo on Jun 13, 2015 13:40:22 GMT -5
I had a legacy employee tell me the other day that he is saving his sign-on bonus money in case we strike. So damn dumb that he didn't know why I laughed at him. Later on, he said he might run for committeeman. I told him he would make a good one. Wtf?
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Post by tiger66 on Jun 13, 2015 13:52:32 GMT -5
I don't think the uaw is smart enough to know what position we have the company in.
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Post by bobio3 on Jun 13, 2015 15:04:51 GMT -5
Right now is the best time... Your right. The UAW has to stand up for the union men and women now! With Ford making record profits ( 2.5 BILLION A QUARTER), there's no reason for them to yell that we need help with health or keeping you in-line with the other companies. Bullshit! The Unions been waisting our money on trying to unionize other companies to raise their piggy bank and lost the battle. You want to know why? The new people see no benafits in becoming a union because their making just about the same as us AND the UAW can't even help us get the stuff that is owed to us. The union is in a perfect spot to help us, and themselfs, by telling Ford we mean business this time, and tomorrow's attempt at unionizing someone will be stronger not futile. Sorry for the errors. Hard to write on this lil phone. Lol
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Post by fedupfred on Jun 13, 2015 15:55:14 GMT -5
Strike?'!! You guys are dreaming. Even if the international authorizes a strike, which I doubt. Scott and the rest of our local bargaining committee will do everything possible to undermine it. Have any of you ever talked to any of those guys? Look at the money they are making by simply letting the company do anything they want. Hello , 11 hours. Strike ? Never happen !!!
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Post by pmooret on Jun 13, 2015 16:18:35 GMT -5
Bravo tiger66! Finally someone who sees things the way I do. You will not see two weeks of strike, they can't even shut the plant down for two weeks vacation. Besides, many years ago the contract was not settled at midnight of the expiration date and we were all ready to walk out. The union came around and told us not to walk. They had voted to extend the current contract (I don't recall for how long, maybe day to day) while they finished up the negotiations. I would imagine if we vote down the contract they will extend the current one while they go back to the table. After that though, anything could happen. For now, stock up with plenty of cheese so that you'll have it on hand for the Company and Bargainers to go along with their whine.
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Post by tiger66 on Jun 13, 2015 16:47:00 GMT -5
It's not the UAW duty to keep these companies "competitive", it's the companies job. Tired of hearing that shit. Remember last time they were saying that? Well they got rid of half the workforce and the ones they hired back are. Half-price so get that shit out of here. It's the uaw's duty to take care of us, ALL of us. If they don't get us a killer contract this time I see no need for them anymore. Sorry if that pisses most of you off.
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Post by thisplacesux on Jun 13, 2015 18:19:39 GMT -5
I agree 100%
UAW wants more members? Earn em. What benefit do you offer them? The auto companies are making record profits and we keep losing benefits, work longer hours for less money etc. Why would anyone in their right mind pay two + hours wage a month for nothing??
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 13, 2015 21:25:13 GMT -5
Here's the way I look at if these mfers(the elected people ) wanna have a nice long easy ride,they better show me that they're on my fuckin side this year...We got these assholes bent over if we let them walk then I'm thru..They owe us big time..they fucked us then gave the asshole management shit back?I say shut this butch down ..I swear I do t care ..That's just me .I don't care if they repo my house .Fuck it we need some shit,and the time is now!!!!
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Post by fedupfred on Jun 13, 2015 21:42:53 GMT -5
I'm with ya Metal. I'd go on strike just to stop this 11 hour bullshit much less all the other stuff we've given up. But I can already hear my union rep, " they'll move trucks to Ohio", my response is screw Ohio. Go ahead and move em. Same thing will happen that happened before. Why do you think all those Ohio people ended up here in the first place. They'll just end up moving the trucks back here anyway !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 22:59:06 GMT -5
If we strike ohio will be on strike too . As far as the co. People gettin shit back . They did. We only get what the union gets for us. That's how it works. Our union rolled over and we got fucked. And it ain't gonna change. I'll vote no....... But the contract will eventually pass with little or nothing for us. Hope like hell I'm wrong
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Post by bill on Jun 14, 2015 0:53:43 GMT -5
Majority! No balls! Sad!
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Post by tiger66 on Jun 20, 2015 7:36:59 GMT -5
I really hate the way the company and UAW have created this tier 2 thing and caused a split in the union. No way we should not earn the same wage. Not right. That being said, they cannot pass this contract without the 80% of us old timers letting it happen. I say we all make a pact: no raises and cola back we don't pass it.
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Post by rockyt on Jun 20, 2015 7:51:47 GMT -5
I agree that we all need raises and cola back, along with everything else we "temporarily" gave up to help the company during hard times. Plus put the 2 Tier on a path to full pay by giving them additional raises every 6 months until they reach full pay. For many of us when we hired in it took 18 months to reach full pay, then they changed it to 3 years. Maybe make it 5 years or something else, but give them a clear path to full pay.
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Post by wildcats34 on Jun 20, 2015 18:33:45 GMT -5
Rocky that's all I want is path to get to full pay. Sooner the better of course. If it takes 5, 6, or 7 years to get there what ever. Even at full pay I understand the company is saving close to 9 dollars an hour by insurance and retirement not being worth what the legacy benefits provide. I'm fine with that.
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Post by wildcats34 on Jun 20, 2015 18:41:03 GMT -5
Since health care costs are a rising cost to the company it would be nice if we had the choice to abandon health care coverage provided, in exchange for more money on the hour. A win for the worker ( if they have a better option to go to) and a win for the company. Just throwing thoughts out there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 20:03:11 GMT -5
The new F150 seems to be in bad shape from the forums I have been reading. Poor quality control, leaky sun roofs, and a few other things but I don't believe we will ever strike again. The IUAW is in bed with the Big 3 and will use us like sex slaves. Record profits will have no effect on this contract. I look for a carrot to be dangled with a big signing bonus for those who live pay check to pay check to vote "YES". I really see nothing positive because our leadership has no balls. 10-15 years ago I would of never dreamed of saying this.
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Post by trinitus on Jun 20, 2015 23:09:18 GMT -5
A very good friend of mine has been telling me this for weeks. We won't go on strike this year. We should but we won't and here is why. While on strike it is the UAW that will pay us a stike paycheck not Ford Motor Co. To top this off, it will take two weeks of us being on strike for this to happen and the UAW DOES NOT want to pay us anything. At most we will be on strike (if any) for no more than a week and a half.
Now if you just sit down and think about that, he is right. Save your money anyways because then you can have one hell of a Christmas for your kids if you have any. I wouldn't be expecting a whole lot from this contract and neither should you because we know we won't get anything or not much at all if we do get something.
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Post by thisplacesux on Jun 21, 2015 1:33:48 GMT -5
I've heard that we (KTP) may have some down week(s) in September anyways due to the construction of the new body and paint shop. Watch the UAW select our plant to strike and the company will get out of having to pay sub pay and unemployment...
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Post by bobio3 on Jun 21, 2015 7:41:10 GMT -5
I would like to see the voting be taking out of the ford building as well. We all know the real reason they put it inside the building to begin with, IT WASNT FOR OUR CONVENIENCE, it was because the wanted the contract passed. The only voters who go out of their way to vote are the angry voters. So by having the vote inside, they could get the happy voters on their way home. Therefore the contract barly passed. Voting should NEVER be inside a ford plant.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 21, 2015 9:06:09 GMT -5
I wonder why they (UAW)couldn't sit at all the entrances to the plant and scan every persons badge and hand them a scanner ,push YES or NO?Then almost everyone votes.Most people bitch but when I ask if they voted they tell me no didn't have time?Make time !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 14:21:02 GMT -5
On strike: yes the union pays us. Last time I was on strike in the uaw ( yes I've actually been thru 3 strikes, 1 plant closing and another lockout where the plant went non union. ) the pay was $150 a week and they pick up ur insurance.
Giving up our insurance would be the dumbest thing ever. Young people might not think so, but ur gonna get older too. If u think there are " better" insurance options for US then u have definitely not been paying attention. There is no plan in obamacare at all that's as good as ours. Fact.
The two tier has to go, period. New hires need to maximize their tesphe from day one. The co. Will put $1 an hour and match 4% right? Make sure and start it day one and at least put in what the co will match. After 30 years u should do pretty good.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jun 21, 2015 17:41:59 GMT -5
I'm with you regardless of what they offer if they take our insurance it should be a strike ..You can't afford to be on obuma care
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Post by rockyt on Jun 21, 2015 21:47:17 GMT -5
Agreed. Got to have health insurance. I have always been very healthy and rarely even go to the doctor, but last week, I got dehydrated at work and BP and Blood Sugar got out of wack and medical told me to go see my doctor, so I did and he immediately sent me to the hospital for tests to the tune of over $15,000 (Of course insurance will settle it at a big discount). Just shows how important it is to have this benefit. You never know when you need it, but sooner or later most of us do.
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Post by blackbird66 on Jun 23, 2015 8:25:15 GMT -5
Giving up our insurance would be the dumbest thing ever. Young people might not think so, but ur gonna get older too. If u think there are " better" insurance options for US then u have definitely not been paying attention. There is no plan in obamacare at all that's as good as ours. Fact. . I think the IUAW has made it clear that obamacare is the new standard, and that our healthcare benefits need to be more inline with the new national standard. They even discussed the importance of educating the membership on the true cost of our healthcare. I'm not happy about it, but if those who represent me are working with the company to bring this about, I don't know how to stop it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 13:17:46 GMT -5
Giving up our insurance would be the dumbest thing ever. Young people might not think so, but ur gonna get older too. If u think there are " better" insurance options for US then u have definitely not been paying attention. There is no plan in obamacare at all that's as good as ours. Fact. . I think the IUAW has made it clear that obamacare is the new standard, and that our healthcare benefits need to be more inline with the new national standard. They even discussed the importance of educating the membership on the true cost of our healthcare. I'm not happy about it, but if those who represent me are working with the company to bring this about, I don't know how to stop it. Well, yeah I've been saying that for a long time. All we can do is vote no. I've never voted yes , not gonna start now.
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Post by lap65 on Jun 23, 2015 17:08:33 GMT -5
Health insurance is renegotiated every March, copays, coverage etc even who our insurers are, all on the table once a year. So really won't matter how we vote when it comes to that. They can leave it as is for the contract & change it in march
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 14:43:01 GMT -5
Health insurance is renegotiated every March, copays, coverage etc even who our insurers are, all on the table once a year. So really won't matter how we vote when it comes to that. They can leave it as is for the contract & change it in march Yes that's true. Costs are defined in the contract and the coverage is reevaluated every year to keep inline with that. Something like dumping us all on obamacare could only happen at contract time tho.....
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