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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Sept 18, 2015 15:03:29 GMT -5
Since we don't have a contract, and what is presented to us will probably get a "HELL NO" from anybody with any sense of what's happened the last decade, I have one question:
Please explain to me why we should come in to "help" the company catch up lost production?
How do we have ANY leverage other than the withholding of our labor?
That's the only, ONLY chip we have, and have ever had.
So, how is it that the Union won't "suggest" that maybe now is not the time to come in and "help out"?
Nevermind, solidarity is lie.............
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 18, 2015 15:18:15 GMT -5
To many greedy bastards..They'll be here .
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Post by rkr on Sept 18, 2015 19:30:21 GMT -5
still working under the old contract, don't volunteer for double time, we will be forced to work for time and half.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Sept 18, 2015 21:20:16 GMT -5
sunday volunteer for double time or the following Sat. time and half...one or the other will happen.
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Post by remember1976 on Sept 18, 2015 21:28:24 GMT -5
Please explain to me why we should come in to "help" the company catch up lost production? Many are considering the double-time pay a kind of personal strike assistance should it become necessary. People are trying to support their families. Why begrudge them the opportunity? As for withholding our labor as leverage over the Company... My guess is that in 2015 an authorized IUAW strike would result in a lot of pissed-off rank-and-file who would be sorely tempted to cross the picket line. Such is the level of anti-union sentiment on the plant floor.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 19, 2015 3:58:30 GMT -5
I know some suckasses but I sure don't know 1 person that would cross a picket line?It also keeps the Co ahead if we were to go on strike.Therefore you help them .I don't care who does what ,just stating my opinion..I wouldn't put them out (co) if they were on fire..
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Post by Bcrew4life on Sept 19, 2015 5:22:49 GMT -5
Please explain to me why we should come in to "help" the company catch up lost production? Many are considering the double-time pay a kind of personal strike assistance should it become necessary. People are trying to support their families. Why begrudge them the opportunity? As for withholding our labor as leverage over the Company... My guess is that in 2015 an authorized IUAW strike would result in a lot of pissed-off rank-and-file who would be sorely tempted to cross the picket line. Such is the level of anti-union sentiment on the plant floor. Correct me if I'm wrong. If we were to go out on strike and a hourly Ford employee crossed the picket line they would no longer have a job with Ford. The UAW could oust that member and they would no longer be able to work for Ford as an hourly employee. Ford is a union shop and Kentucky isn't a right to work state.
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Post by tiger66 on Sept 19, 2015 6:47:15 GMT -5
Wrong. The uaw can't fire you, you work for ford motor company.
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Post by tiger66 on Sept 19, 2015 6:55:07 GMT -5
You would have a hard way to go when we got back to work. Union wouldn't help you and fellow UAW members would make life hell. I would think if we were going to strike we would already be on strike. Both the company and union have no desire to strike.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Sept 19, 2015 8:47:56 GMT -5
Point well taken about Sunday voluntary or Saturday mandatory.......
In a way they are giving us the choice, I stand corrected.
I'm just as frustrated as everybody. and we, the people that ACTUALLY BUILD THE TRUCKS, have the least say so....
Just consider this, bringing up 2nd tier to full wages (incrementally) and giving legacy people about $2 hour in raises, will add about $75-80 to the cost of a car or truck. Let that sink in.
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Post by tiger66 on Sept 19, 2015 9:23:03 GMT -5
Since our last raise: the company got rid of retiree health care, got rid of a LARGE portion of their workforce (what they hired back they did at reduced hourly cost), raised what we pay in healthcare, took away holiday, took away break time and are trying to get rid of hourly healthcare. Meanwhile the price of these trucks have went up average of. 35,000$. They could give us. A 6.00hr raise and still come out billions ahead. UAW WTF up.
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Post by Bcrew4life on Sept 19, 2015 15:14:46 GMT -5
Wrong. The uaw can't fire you, you work for ford motor company. Read the contract agreement regarding members not in good standing with the UAW.
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Post by tiger66 on Sept 19, 2015 15:34:39 GMT -5
What does it say?
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Post by coconut on Sept 21, 2015 20:24:56 GMT -5
ex-metalman, obviously you have not talked to people working in trim or chassis that have 3 yrs. or less in. so many have already said they would cross the picket line that its not even funny. yes the union has brought on all this disloyalty on themselves.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 21, 2015 21:16:15 GMT -5
I'm for whatever a person has to do in his or her life to make it..If that means crossing a picket line then go for it..But also know that there could be ramifications in doing so!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 22:44:50 GMT -5
Wrong. The uaw can't fire you, you work for ford motor company. Actually you are wrong. Any scabs brought in as well as any line crossing union members would be fired as part of the new contract. It's standard
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Post by beaner on Sept 22, 2015 2:48:58 GMT -5
Lack of workers for Sunday may force a mandatory Saturday (October 3)
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 22, 2015 2:54:07 GMT -5
Or both?
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Post by beaner on Sept 22, 2015 3:28:36 GMT -5
Anything after next Thursday night would be considered the fourth quarter. So who knows. October 3's trucks wouldn't help with the loss of production in the 3rd quarter correct?
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Post by tiger66 on Sept 22, 2015 4:41:21 GMT -5
Well maybe they can but I was reading yesterday that their giving classes in Michigan on how to quit paying dues when contract expires. I find it hard to believe they can fire you for crossing the Picket line but not for quit paying dues.
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Post by blackbird66 on Sept 22, 2015 7:19:36 GMT -5
Well maybe they can but I was reading yesterday that their giving classes in Michigan on how to quit paying dues when contract expires. I find it hard to believe they can fire you for crossing the Picket line but not for quit paying dues. Michigan is "right to work" we are not. It is standard procedure that scabs are terminated when the union returns to work, even in a right to work state. That had always been part of the return to work agreement. Go find a 2nd job or whatever else it takes, but NEVER cross that picket line. You will regret it.
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Post by tiger66 on Sept 22, 2015 8:07:45 GMT -5
I never would.
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Post by bobio3 on Sept 22, 2015 9:17:30 GMT -5
Just asked us to come in at 4 am and work to 6:00 pm. 14 hrs on Sunday. Double plus 10%. Not bad but no thank you.
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Post by tiger66 on Sept 22, 2015 9:20:19 GMT -5
Where?
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Post by bobio3 on Sept 22, 2015 9:36:22 GMT -5
Body. I assume paint too
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Post by nra4life on Sept 22, 2015 9:46:30 GMT -5
How does a 4am start on a Sunday get you 10% premium?
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Post by bobio3 on Sept 22, 2015 11:06:57 GMT -5
They explained it once along time ago. Has to do something with the start time being within ccrews regular work day pattern, therefore you get ther ccrew shift differential. Lol Something like that.
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Post by bobio3 on Sept 23, 2015 15:52:45 GMT -5
Lol. They've surveyed for three different start times added a sat and as of 4:50, changed it again and now it's one shift 9:00 am to 5:30 pm. ONE BIG THREE RING CIRCUS.
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Post by beaner on Sept 23, 2015 16:58:57 GMT -5
Is that Sunday?
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Post by thintwowin on Sept 23, 2015 17:14:18 GMT -5
Asking b crew paint 12 midnight Sunday until 8:30 am... Dayshift 9:00 am Sunday until 5:30 pm. As of today lol subject to change.
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