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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 8:54:06 GMT -5
It's nbd buckeye. I'm a smartass at times. It's a character flaw.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 12:39:58 GMT -5
scott, i cant really say exactly what is happening,but something is. theres definitely an element of truth to that rumor. im not sure danny even knows who did it. he was in excruciating pain, its been a while,and its not something he would worry about. thats why i thought some peoples remarks were so ridiculous. not that someone else wouldnt sue someone, or whatever, but that it would never cross this guys mind. i feel pretty sure there would never have been an issue had it not been put on here. looks like more than one person underestimated this situation. i have to wonder tho, after all the things we have all seen go by and get left alone,and we all can come up with serious examples im sure but noone should on here, why in the hell are they going after this so hard?i know theres a rule about cameras and video but thats to protect trade secrets, new models etc. dannys balls are hardly valuable intellectual property.
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Post by thirtyandout on May 11, 2011 14:00:15 GMT -5
ar15a2 I agree with you 100%.
I think it is a joke that there are people wanting to bust this guys balls (literally). If this company really wants to be zero tolerant then they should do something about the excessive drinking that goes on in the trim department on a nightly basis. Management knows about the problem and turns there head. These people reek of alcohol but because they fix stuff and make management look good all night then it's a non issue. What a joke and management you know who you are?
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Post by marcus on May 11, 2011 16:48:47 GMT -5
Great post thirtyandout!
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Post by beenaround on May 11, 2011 16:55:26 GMT -5
UH OH- Now that thirtyandout has spoke about the drinkers, the drinkers may bust his balls if they get stifled from their nightly beverages.
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Post by marcus on May 11, 2011 17:04:40 GMT -5
They need to clean the house out.
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Post by buckeyeinky on May 12, 2011 4:18:15 GMT -5
the reason (i think) that ford is fire happy now ,more then before is because the person that will be replacing them will be making $ 14hr. the drinker will be tolarated because they will take work with no fight so they can drink.
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Post by thirtyandout on May 12, 2011 10:50:10 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly what happened to the video star ?
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Post by ronniebass on May 12, 2011 15:13:35 GMT -5
Everyone knows when it's contract time there are more write ups then the norm. The company is looking to fire people as fast as they can. Besides, taking on more work so they can continue to drink still doesn't make it right. They are just hurting themselves in the long run.
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Post by ktpregular on May 13, 2011 0:35:32 GMT -5
I heard from a committeeman that person that took the video got fired.
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Post by trinitus on May 13, 2011 10:59:09 GMT -5
The rumor I heard was that the one who shot the video turned hinmself in to Labor after the star got into trouble. If true, that is a true stand up friend and guy. Although now the local has to get both guys back now, I hope they come back soon.
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Post by ktp399 on May 13, 2011 11:31:00 GMT -5
The star is back to work, i saw him walking around last night. The other guy is off work until further notice from what the rumor is.
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Post by brenteskridge on May 13, 2011 13:48:10 GMT -5
The star is ok and the guy is a stand up guy for doing the right thing. I know both and just say prayers for him as he deals with this bad issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 17:21:25 GMT -5
so we got a guy who was videoed in the bathroom,and underwent a couple days of hell in labor without giving any info. we got a guy who when he know his friend was in serious trouble because of something he did, manned up and took the blame. both these guys are good guys ,i liked em both before and i like em both now.
then we got a whole group of other guys who cant wait to throw people under the bus for drinking. if a guy has a couple beers at lunch, if he can do his job fine, whose business is that?if he is doing more work than you,well, thats work you dont have to do right? if you feel that someone else drinking is actually putting you in danger, why would you complain on here instead of doing something about it?
i just dont believe in throwing my brothers and sisters under the bus just because, and for the sole reason, that i dont agree with something they are doing. if we are divided that easily we have no chance. though many may consider them immature both guys involved in the video debacle could teach some of you some lessons about solidarity.
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Post by ragtop69 on May 15, 2011 19:18:54 GMT -5
In my past year and whatever I have been here I have never seen so many people worried about what everyone else is doing AND what they can do to correct the situation. Team Concept ....... BS
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Post by ScottR@KTP on May 16, 2011 10:03:03 GMT -5
It's the current times unfortunately...people are only worried about themselves and how to get a leg up on their brothers/sisters...you never have to worry about me throwing someone under the bus, won't happen.
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Post by thirtyandout on May 16, 2011 12:39:34 GMT -5
ar15a2, Scott an whoever else thinks it's perfectly fine to drink at work.
It is peoples business that drinking is going on in the plant. It just don't effect one person it effects everyone. It's not just a couple of beers at lunch. Way more than that. Management has been confronted about the issue at hand and only told the parties involved to make the alcohol disappear. The union knows of it and has done nothing to this point. These people put everyone in danger when they drive golf carts,tugs and flat bed carts around on a nightly basis. People would like to keep there jobs and quality helps that. What does jeopardize peoples jobs is someone being alcohol impaired at work not doing their job or missing shit. People would like to be able to go home at night and see there kids. Not be worried about being run over in the plant and not making it home by some drunk ass brother or sister. Explain that to there loved ones. It has nothing to do with throwing people under the bus it has to do with what's right. Zero tolerant, don't like it find somewhere else to work. Don't jeopardize people's well-being and livelihood. That's where the unity and team concept should be. You won"t find that in a twelve once can no matter how many you drink.
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Post by itsnotmyjob on May 16, 2011 13:37:33 GMT -5
I have to agree with thirtyandout....I want to be around at 30 so i can go out....but having to be extra careful of ppl on tugs forks or whatever if they have been drinking is a scarey thing...being in here is scarey enough... lol
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Post by kuka on May 16, 2011 14:02:25 GMT -5
ar15a2, Scott an whoever else thinks it's perfectly fine to drink at work. It is peoples business that drinking is going on in the plant. It just don't effect one person it effects everyone. It's not just a couple of beers at lunch. Way more than that. Management has been confronted about the issue at hand and only told the parties involved to make the alcohol disappear. The union knows of it and has done nothing to this point. These people put everyone in danger when they drive golf carts,tugs and flat bed carts around on a nightly basis. People would like to keep there jobs and quality helps that. What does jeopardize peoples jobs is someone being alcohol impaired at work not doing their job or missing shit. People would like to be able to go home at night and see there kids. Not be worried about being run over in the plant and not making it home by some drunk ass brother or sister. Explain that to there loved ones. It has nothing to do with throwing people under the bus it has to do with what's right. Zero tolerant, don't like it find somewhere else to work. Don't jeopardize people's well-being and livelihood. That's where the unity and team concept should be. You won"t find that in a twelve once can no matter how many you drink. I agree
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Post by ctopher on May 16, 2011 14:03:47 GMT -5
It's funny I like everyone wouldn't care if someone had a beer with lunch. My problem is the people who drink a 30 pack But it's our fault if they get into trouble. Haha. I haven't told on anyone but when they go up I promise I'm not worried about what happens to them.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 14:17:16 GMT -5
i never said it was ok to drink at work,first off.
second, unless uaw drug/alcohol policy has changed drastically in the last few years its not zero tolerance. it is a policy that is negotiated in the contract and not a rule instituted solely by the company, such as the no camera no video rule.
third off if you feel that you are being put in danger take the proper steps to address that. complaining on here wont do it.if you have taken some steps, and your safety remains legitimately at risk, you havent taken the right steps,i assure you.
putting posts on here saying "oh so and so puts liquor on a certain table at this time" or "hey these guys drink,managers im looking at you" is throwing someone under the bus plain and simple.
people in factories are always gonna drink. some have in every factory ive been in in the last 25 years. its a fact,its not gonna change.that doesnt make it right, but if its such a terrible burden, maybe YOU should find a different place to work.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 14:34:12 GMT -5
ctopher, i agree with you totally.
im gonna modify my position here a little bit.
there are some problem drinkers in the plant. ive been affected by it,many people have. i have never been put in harms way because of it,but it is there so..............those of you that are comfortable doing so, if its not throwing someone under the bus, why not call them out by name?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on May 16, 2011 14:39:37 GMT -5
I think Ford ought to supply each area with an iced down keg instead of the moldy coolers of Gatorade. An expert drinker may actually function better with a beer or two every 2-4 hours...depending on their level of addiction. And I have worked with some alcoholics and drug addicts that offered a level of entertainment that kept me from ever getting bored. One of my favorites was like working with 4 different people...he came to work in one condition, went on 1st break, came back as somebody else, went to lunch, another personality...and of course, last break brought out another character...the best part, watching him grab two 40s out of the trunk for the ride home after work. As for drinking and operating moving machinery (tugs, forks, etc...), that's not so cool. But for someone on the line assembling trucks...I say drink, smoke, snort, shoot up, whatever it takes to numb the pain of working for FoMoCo as an assembler.
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Post by thirtyandout on May 16, 2011 14:50:55 GMT -5
The issue was put on here to address the people involved that they need to change there ways before something bad happens that they might regret in the future. Loss of job, loss of life, that sort of thing. It's not worth it. There is a time and a place for that type of behavior just not here.
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Post by ktpgurl on May 16, 2011 17:04:40 GMT -5
Drinking at work is not cool. Not for co-workers or for those that encounter them on the road.
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Post by itsnotmyjob on May 17, 2011 13:46:03 GMT -5
amen ktpgurl!!! There are places to drink and places not to drink...in a factory with heavy machinery isnt one of them!!!
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Post by brenteskridge on May 17, 2011 15:03:03 GMT -5
I think with this issue what we need to do is all pull together and try to help. Now I say try because we can't force that person to seek help if they do not believe they need help. I speak from personal experience with my addiction to alcholism. I have been sober for over 3 years now and this has been the best three years so far. I lost my family but through God was able to get them back. I am not going to make this long because I could. I will state to facts.
1) If someone doesn't want help then in time something is going to happen like them getting time off or loosing thier job or worse.
2) I am very passionate about this subject and all we can do is extend our hand out in friendship and say that we are here to help you. If I can help anybody out with anything I do. I do a lot of this outside of work with those that work here. The truth of the matter is that they are helping me more than that I can help them but God always makes the right things happen. So if I can help out please let me know.
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Post by davidelmore on May 17, 2011 15:54:01 GMT -5
Hey Brent, tell them to look me up davidelmore
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Post by davidelmore on May 17, 2011 16:04:25 GMT -5
Brent, I have known you for a long time and we both have alot in common when it comes to helping our local brothers and sisters, not only at work !!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 17:11:27 GMT -5
first it was people drinking taking on more work. then it switched to people not doing their job and missing stuff.plenty of non drinkers do the same
then it was zero tolerance, wrong again.
then its the whole danger thing. well duh, it really takes a dumb sumbitch to drink and drive anything in the plant.can you imagine if someone was drunk and hit and killed someone? they could probably be charged with murder.by the same token, if you walk into the aisle without looking, it doesnt matter how sober the tug driver is.
as far as i know a tragic accident like that has not happened at ktp. hopefully it never will.
do whatever you can to keep yourself safe. posting on here about people whose ideas about acceptable behavior differ from your own accomplishes nothing toward that end.but hey if thats what it takes to make you feel better,enjoy!!!
brent, i still think youre alright, even if you dont drink,lol.
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