Whatever happens DO NOT raise your income

[bo862]

What is the last thing you want to do when facing a financial crisis? According to the tea party raise your income.

I know every time I have trouble paying bills the first thing I do is cut back on the amount of meals the kids get and start taking awols to make sure they understand I’m not going to just let them sit around and mooch off of me like a bunch of lazy welfare or social security recipients.

But seriously.

The level of stupidity in pushing republicans to not return the U.S. government’s income to previous levels is unbelievable. The tea party ideology has revealed to the world how fragile our economy is and how broken our political system is.

In case you haven’t heard, our credit rating was downgraded by a U.S. company because of the lack of political will to raise income.

money.msn.com/saving-money-tips/post.aspx?post=be64d65f-ee4e-4dfe-aff9-67c7968b1b42>1=33009

Just fyi, A Chinese rating agency downgraded us last November, and again this August to A.
www.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/08/02/china.us.rating/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I wonder, when a nation loses its status as #1 are they are the last to know it? I hope not.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

....so you show your kids how to steal from your neighbor by making him give you money to feed your kids? what a great example!

Fact One -- Tea Partiers' opposition to tax hikes didn't bring us to this brink. Washington's indifference to spending did.

Fact Two -- Tea Partiers didn't create these deficits. Washington did.

Fact Three -- Tea Partiers didn't wreck the budget this year. Try Democrats, who had total control of Washington, not even offering a budget at all... last year.

Fact Four -- Tea Partiers aren't the reason we're up against another debt limit. Washington is.

Fact Five -- Tea Partiers aren't suddenly to blame for the credit ratings agencies now putting this country's credit on watch. Credit ratings agencies first warned about this years ago.

Fact Six -- Tea Partiers have been consistently opposed to the gimmicks that created this mess. Washington's consistently offered only more gimmicks to allegedly fix this mess.

Fact Seven -- Tea Partiers aren't the only ones saying a debt hike without meaningful spending cuts is a waste. Standard and Poor's itself warned such a deal would be a travesty.

Fact Eight -- Tea Partiers aren't the crazy ones for saying it's time to stop this nonsense. Those who call them crazy for dare speaking the obvious are the ones who make "no" sense.

Fact Nine -- Tea Partiers resisting business as usual aren't the problem right now. Self-serving politicians still practicing business as usual are.

Fact Ten -- Tea Partiers demanding accountability isn't the stuff that brought us to this brink. Washington's continued failure to "be" accountable has us at the brink.

[marcus]

great post jobs1

[ktpelec]

The downward spiral started after Clinton left office.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

wrong again, your downward spiral (deficits/spending) went down in 2008...

After beginning with a Clinton-era surplus in 2001, the Bush administration ran up deficits of $158 billion in 2002; $378 billion in 2003; and $413 billion in 2004. Then, with revenues pouring in, the deficits began to fall: $318 billion in 2005; $248 billion in 2006; and $161billion in 2007. That 2007 deficit, with the tax cuts in effect, was one-tenth of today's $1.6 trillion deficit....even with the two wars!

Deficits went up in 2008 with the beginning of the economic downturn -- and, not coincidentally, with the first full year of a Democratic House and Senate.


Finally, there's the national debt. When Bush took office in January 2001, the debt was about $5.7 trillion, according to Treasury Department figures. When Bush was sworn in for his second term in January 2005, the debt stood at about $7.6 trillion. When Bush left office in January 2009, the debt was $10.6 trillion. He had increased the national debt almost $2 trillion in his first term and $3 trillion in his second, for a total increase of nearly $5 trillion over both terms. (Of that $3 trillion increase in Bush's second term, $2 trillion came under a Democratic Congress.)

The debt stood at $10.6 trillion when Barack Obama took office in January 2009. Now, it's about $14.4 trillion. The president has increased the national debt nearly $4 trillion in his first two and a half years in office. By the time Obama finishes his first term, he will have increased the national debt by somewhere in the $5 trillion-to-$6 trillion range -- more than Bush did in two terms.

None of this is to say that George W. Bush had a good record on spending. He didn't, and he's fair game for criticism. (remember Tea Party was created under Bush to protest his spendind) But is it honest to condemn reckless spending in "eight years of Republican rule" when Democrats controlled the Senate for four of those years and the House for two? Is it honest to talk about the "cost" of the Bush tax cuts when federal revenues increased significantly while they were in effect? And is it honest to refer to Bush's ballooning deficits when deficits actually trended down for much of his presidency -- at least before Democrats won control of Congress?

Of course Obama partisans would like to pin the president's troubles on Bush. But they should get their facts straight first.

[ktpelec]

Aug 7, 2011 5:33:10 GMT -5 ktpelec said:

The downward spiral started after Clinton left office.

I mean bi-partisionship tactics that have escalated to the point where nothing is getting done.
The Tea Party movement has many different facets, many are small grass roots orgs. that mean well, but are hampered by social issues that people often disagree about.
The Tea Party affluent that are backed by wealthy businessmen only want to gain from the expense of the lower/middle classes.
These are just my opinions, not arguments.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

"I mean bi-partisionship tactics that have escalated to the point where nothing is getting done."

.....did you just started following politics.....this shit has been going on since the beggining of time!

....as for the Tea Party ...I'll just keep it simple....as to what they want .."Smaller Government"...

These are not my opinions, not arguments. they are facts!

[oldsbdcjim]

The dems answer to this nation's debt problem is raise taxes. that's the same reasoning as giving a crack addict more crack to fight his addiction.

Well said jobs1stb4polarbear on your first post. Its another case of the sponges doing all the crying.

Obama campaigned on the slogan of hope and change.
How about our nation's lowered debt rating.
How about our record deficits.
How about letting Mexican truckers into the US.
How about more money for jobs creation. (what about shovel ready jobs?)

ktpelec you say "The Tea Party affluent that are backed by wealthy businessmen" How about Moveon.org? George Sorros is a billionaire.

[ktpelec]

Anther fact is the middle and lower class of Americans continues to slide down, as the rich continue upwards. During the Bush Admin. the ultra-rich (Repubs and Dems) doubled their incomes, it's a fact. The Bush Tax cuts didn't build jobs, only wealth, it's a fact.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

"The Bush Tax cuts didn't build jobs"..............how do you know?

[bo862]

Some of your facts I can agree with, but to insist this whole situation is the dems fault and that the tea partiers had nothing to do with it is denial. At a crucial time when we need to cut spending and return the governments income to the level they were before bushes tax cuts, the tea partiers pushed the republicans to not make a reasonable budget for an ideological belief that has done nothing for americans except make a bad situation worse. The tea party is as responsible for the current situation as the dems or republicans.

The American people are the victims in this game of chicken that politicians played last week. I do not know what you call a group of individuals that are willing to risk harm to innocent people for an ideological belief, but we usually call them terrorists.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

AHhh...hear we go again.....if liberals can't win the argument.....lets demonize the other side.....tea party = terrorist


....it does get old after a while doesn't it?.....

......but why stop there bo862.....let me help you....

Deriding the Tea Party: Terrorists “Strapped with Dynamite”
“There’s a nihilist caucus which is, ‘Listen, we want to burn the place down.’ I
mean, they’re not, they’ve strapped explosives to the Capitol and they think
they are immune from it. The Tea Party caucus wants this crisis, and do we want
to do this again six months from now?”
— Bloomberg columnist Margaret Carlson on Inside Washington, July 29.

"I do not know what you call a group of individuals that are willing to risk harm to innocent people for an ideological belief, but we usually call them terrorists." bo862 08/08/2011

“You know, the problem with this is it’s like a form of economic terrorism. I imagine
these Tea Party guys are, like, strapped with dynamite, standing in the middle
of Times Square at rush hour and saying, ‘Either you do it my way, or we’re going to blow you up, ourselves
up, and the whole country up with us.’ So you tell me how those kinds of stand-offs end.”
— MSNBC economic analyst Steven Rattner on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, July 29.

“If sane Republicans do not stand up to this Hezbollah faction in their midst, the Tea Party will take the GOP on
a suicide mission.”
— New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, July 27.

"I do not know what you call a group of individuals that are willing to risk harm to innocent people for an ideological belief, but we usually call them terrorists." bo862 08/08/2011

“You know what they say: Never negotiate with terrorists. It only encourages them. These last few months,
much of the country has watched in horror as the Tea Party Republicans have waged jihad on the American
people....For now, the Tea Party Republicans can put aside their suicide vests. But rest assured: They’ll have
them on again soon enough.”
— New York Times columnist Joe Nocera, August 2.

Tea Party Budget Slashers = “Cannibals,” “Vampires” and “Zombies”
“Tea Party budget-slashers....were like cannibals, eating their own party and leaders alive. They were like
vampires, draining the country’s reputation, credit rating and compassion. They were like zombies, relentlessly
and mindlessly coming back again and again to assault their unnerved victims, Boehner and President
Obama. They were like the metallic beasts in Alien flashing mouths of teeth inside other mouths of teeth,
bursting out of Boehner’s stomach every time he came to a bouquet of microphones.”
— New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, August 3 column.

"I do not know what you call a group of individuals that are willing to risk harm to innocent people for an ideological belief, but we usually call them terrorists." bo862 08/08/2011

Children Who Don’t “Understand” How Government Works
“Do you think that Republicans — particularly those in the freshman class over in
the House — understand just how serious this debt limit crisis is?...Do you think
they understand what might happen if you can’t raise this debt limit here?”
— Bob Schieffer to Senator Jon Kyl on Face the Nation, July 24.

“The question, I think, some people might be asking is, do you think that members
of the Tea Party caucus know how to govern, or are they — do they understand
that standing up for a cause is not the same as governing?”
— Co-host Ann Curry to Tom Brokaw on NBC’s Today, August 1.

"I do not know what you call a group of individuals that are willing to risk harm to innocent people for an ideological belief, but we usually call them terrorists." bo862 08/08/2011

“Some people say that the Republican Party has been held hostage by the Tea Party. One of our Facebook followers
sent in an interesting analogy and said, ‘Why are Republicans allowing freshman congressmen to control this
debate?’ and this person said, ‘It’s like letting the teenager in the family run the family budget.’ I mean, there’s
some truth in that.”
— Moderator Bob Schieffer to GOP Senate Leader Mitch McConnell on Face the Nation, July 31.

Obama Foes Are “Muggers,” “Kidnappers” and “Haters”
“Let me finish tonight with this bad experience we’ve all just been through.
What we saw, what I saw at least, was one guy with a knife and the other trying
to avoid being cut. It was a thug attacking a victim. It was a mugging. Now, the
good news — relief is a better word, I suppose — is that the victim did get
through it. The bad news is that the mugger got what he wanted. He got the
wallet....The mugging continues, again and again and again. The people who perpetrated
this assault on the President will come back to do it again.”
— Chris Matthews talking about the debt talks on MSNBC’s Hardball, August 2.

"I do not know what you call a group of individuals that are willing to risk harm to innocent people for an ideological belief, but we usually call them terrorists." bo862 08/08/2011

“Why did he [Obama] let this develop for six months, well, eight months since last December, this drum roll of
the Republicans saying, ‘We’ve got the baby. You don’t get the baby back unless you pay us?’ Why do you let the
other side have the baby, to use kidnapping terms?”
— MSNBC’s Chris Matthews to the New Republic’s Jonathan Chait on Hardball, August 1.

“From day one, from second one, the goal of the Republican Party of the right, of corporate America, of the Tea
Party, the whole shebang, has been eliminate this guy’s presidency. It’s been personal, it’s been about him, and
it’s about hatred....‘We hate you, want to kill you (pause) politically.’”
— Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s Hardball, August 3.

Tea Party = Slow-Motion Secessionists
Howard Fineman: “What’s going on here, as I see it, is a kind of slow-motion secession. This is an ending of the
social compact. This is two, three generations worth of agreement about Social Security, about Medicare, about
the role of the federal government. The Tea Party people are saying, we want to secede from that society....”
Chris Matthews: “You know what this sounds like? You know what this sounds like? When I spent two years in
Southern Africa. It sounds like what the whites talked about doing. Eventually going into some sort of little circle,
like Custer’s last stand against the United States.”
— MSNBC’s Hardball, July 25.

Fretting Tiny Cuts in Government Spending Will Smother Economy
“Spending cuts could further weaken economy”
— USA Today headline, August 2.

"I do not know what you call a group of individuals that are willing to risk harm to innocent people for an ideological belief, but we usually call them terrorists." bo862 08/08/2011

“You mentioned jobs. One advocacy group, the liberal-leaning Economic Policy Institute, says the economy could
lose 1.8 million jobs in the next year due to the cuts in this deal. Agree? Is that too much?”
— Ann Curry to CNBC’s Jim Cramer on NBC’s Today, August 3.

The debt deal calls for just $21 billion in spending cuts
over the next year, out of a total federal budget of about $3.7 trillion.
Slamming Puny Debt Deal as “Hurting Real People”
“The last time the President and the Congress compromised on a major spending
bill, Republicans got tax cuts and Mr. Obama won an extension of unemployment
benefits. But in this latest compromise, there are only budget cuts and no relief
for those suffering in this economy.”
— Anchor Scott Pelley on the CBS Evening News, August 2.

"I do not know what you call a group of individuals that are willing to risk harm to innocent people for an ideological belief, but we usually call them terrorists." bo862 08/08/2011

“A liberal member said to me his fear is the poor are gonna get hurt and the rich
are gonna get by without harm in this. Is that your fear?”
— NBC’s Brian Williams to Nancy Pelosi on his July 31 Dateline special,

“Taking the Hill: Inside Congress.”
ABC’s Diane Sawyer: “You think this is really going to hurt real people?”
Nancy Pelosi: “Well, I hope not. How could we have severe cuts to our domestic agenda, the education of our
children, for example, and not one red cent coming from those who can afford to share the sacrifice that is necessary
to reduce the deficit.”
— World News, August 1.

"I do not know what you call a group of individuals that are willing to risk harm to innocent people for an ideological belief, but we usually call them terrorists." bo862 08/08/2011

[bo862]

The tea party may have started out with good intentions but it has gone a direction that may be detrimental to the u.s.

Other groups in the past started out with nationalism and an idea of structuring the world in their view. The nazis started out this way. History shows how that turned out. Of course the tea party has not committed genocide, but their willingness to risk a default shows they would sacrifice anyone for their ideology. This has the two parties on the same trajectory.

If you think it is far fetched to make a connection between nazis and the tea party read this article where one of their leaders pays homage to the nazis.

hnn.us/articles/132462.html

[ktpelec]

In every poll conducted the majority (some overwhelmingly) of Americans said taxes must be raised on the wealthiest Americans, yet the Tea Party senators refused to do just that. Did they put their own ideals ahead of the requests of the very people they represent?

[oldsbdcjim]

In every poll conducted the majority (some overwhelmingly) of Americans said taxes are to high. Yet the Democrat senators refused to do just that. Did they put their own ideals ahead of the requests of the very people they represent?

[ktpelec]

Aug 9, 2011 6:04:57 GMT -5 ktpelec said:

In every poll conducted the majority (some overwhelmingly) of Americans said taxes must be raised on the wealthiest Americans, yet the Tea Party senators refused to do just that. Did they put their own ideals ahead of the requests of the very people they represent?

The key word here is "wealthiest" you might have missed it.
Taxes were not raised on these people so additional revenue was lost. Other than the cuts the Dems agreed to very little was accomplished.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

All I,m saying bo862 is... when you and pretty much every Democrat, liberal out there are using supid comparisons...tea party=like and//or terorrist....tea paty=like and/or are nazis...etc.......then the debate is over....

Example: I can come on here and compare Liberal/democrats to PARASITES...but then the debate will be over.....right?


1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.

2. a group who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.

[ktpelec]

The terms "Liberal' and "Conservative" don't really apply any more. They both spent entirely too much, especially when you factor in the huge costs of these so called "Wars"
Stereotyping like this is much to generalized, many on both sides of the aisle tried to deal, but the far left/right radicals in each party refused to budge. A third party would be nice, Moderates for the Middle Class maybe.

[bo862]

Aug 9, 2011 16:06:49 GMT -5 jobs1stb4polarbear said:

All I,m saying bo862 is... when you and pretty much every Democrat, liberal out there are using supid comparisons...tea party=like and//or terorrist....tea paty=like and/or are nazis...etc.......then the debate is over....

Example: I can come on here and compare Liberal/democrats to PARASITES...but then the debate will be over.....right?


1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.

2. a group who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.

If you dont want to be compared to a nazi then dont wear a nazi uniform or follow anyone that does.

If you dont know what im talking about read the link I posted earlier about a tea party leader paying homage to the nazis.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

ignorance at its best.....a teacher gets arested for child molestation and now all teachers are child molesters because of one nutcase? A democrat gets caught for tax evasion and now all democrat dont pay there taxes? ...a tea party dresses up as a fucking nazi and now every teapartier is a nazi.....I'm starting to lose IQ points again with you man......


....so Ill tell you what....YOU WIN!

[bo862]

A common member, sure it is easy to separate them from the organization as a lunatic. This is one of your leaders though. Either you follow his ideology our you don't.

The nazis referred to the races they believed needed exterminated as parasites. I'm curious where it was you first heard dems/libs called parasites?

Just a tip, if you are that worried about your iq stop hanging around people that think cutting funds for education is a good thing and that by giving more money to the rich will some how make you rich.

[Deleted]

Lol!

Libs get really angry when you show them facts.

[ktpelec]

One mans "fact" can be another mans "fiction."
People of all ages and ethnic backgrounds discuss issues everyday...many without calling each other names.

[gman]

I once heard a man say if you sign NAFTA you will hear a giant sucking sound of jobs leaving this country. Both parties missed the ball on this. I do not believe we would be having this discussion if we would have kept jobs and home grown technology right here instead of selling it off to someone who absolutely has no interest in our well being as a nation

[bo862]

Aug 10, 2011 7:25:12 GMT -5 @analspasm said:

Lol!

Libs get really angry when you show them facts.

If you are referring to me as a lib, no I'm not angry or consider myself a lib. I think we would have to stretch the meaning of "facts" from the tea party side on this post.

[ktpelec]

A country just can not finance 2 (so-called) wars for over a decade, have the lowest tax rates ever for their wealthiest citizens, and have the largest population of benefit collecting seniors, and expect to balance a budget. Just changing one of these items won't even come close to helping, all sides must make sacrifices, yet some refuse to.

[bo862]

That is as plain as it gets ktp. Its hard to imagine an argument against it, but im sure someone will be able to twist one somehow.

[marcus]

Bo 862 please read the link you posted again the man is not a nazi good grief.

[marcus]

Good one Gman!

[bo862]

Marcus, reread my posts. At no point did I call him a nazi. I said he paid homage to the nazis.


For a political leader to sympathize with a group that murdered millions is a big deal; member or not.