The hippies taking tear gas

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[marcus]

Great last two posts

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Hey bo and ktpelec!
Here is your precious OWS in Oakland:
zombietime.com/occupy_oakland_10-22-2011/

LOL!
Pics are worth soooo much more!
Read the page as well, and the videos are great too.
Hard to believe you guys defend these pieces of shit.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

......wow...you are good......I did not realize it was 2011...

How much more do you want the 1% to pay?

..... just answer the question! .......

How much more do you want the 1% to pay?

how much more will it take for you and everyone out there who wants the 1% to pay more....to be satisfied

How much more do you want the 1% to pay?

50%

70%

80%

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

...tough question?

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

lol....its ok....

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Oct 28, 2011 11:40:53 GMT -5 ktpelec said:

Now we're getting info from Zombietime.com?? Really?? LOL

www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/10/26/141716961/why-has-income-gone-up-so-much-for-top-earners

Did you even look? Jesus Christ! You are the biggest troll of any web forum I have ever seen.
Keep a blind eye farthest from the truth.
Trust what the media tells you and drink the Kool Ade.

[Deleted]

Yea. Hypocrites on iPhones protesting while smoking pot and other drugs is really a good thing.

Greed?
Like I said before, why dont you take half of your pay and give it to those that make considerably less then you?
After all, you make more then 99% of those protesting.

[bo862]

Apparently I missed a lot by sleeping today! Next time I stir the hornets’ nest I will make sure I stay up for a while. Let’s start with Marcus’ statement.

“occupy wall street is wrong.I never said get rid of all regs or taxes.We have to much of it in this country and that needs to change.”


I agree there are plenty of items in the books that could go, but here is the problem. Neither Marcus, Bo, nor anyone that represents us has a seat at the table of legislative decisions. So when legislators are given the “mandate” from conservatives to end, or cut regulations it will be the politicians, their friends and corporate interests that will determine what gets cut as well as how much. How concerned are they about us receiving OT after 40 hours? The slogan “regulations kill jobs” is another way of saying we would rather have larger corporate profits than laws that protect workers’ rights. Careful what you ask for. Once the floodgate of “shared sacrifice” begins in regulations, it will be us to pay 100% of the sacrifice.

[bo862]

Oct 28, 2011 7:56:59 GMT -5 @analspasm said:

Oct 28, 2011 5:01:29 GMT -5 bo862 said:

Marcus, we agree on the free trade being a negative issue for workers. Ask yourself this, who was responsible for pushing free trade through legislation? Before someone tries to blame a political group, who pushed the politicians to open up trade agreements? I hope we came to the same answer on this one, but that would be the 1%. The same group that can ensure victory or defeat to politicians in the next election.

Government regulations are things like the nlrb that gives basic workers rights. Osha tries to prevent companies from working employees in unsafe conditions. It is regulations that keeps us from working in sweat shop conditions. Deregulation works out great for business owners because they do not waste money on things like safety equipment or overtime.

Just like some have suggested that Buffet should volunteer to pay more in taxes, because he states that the rich do not pay enough, the ones that do not like regulations should also volunteer to return any overtime pay to ford since that is a regulation.

Taxes are about the same. We can give up the lead spot in military power, let the roads decay, and never rebuild them. It just depends on what we are willing to give up in the name of corporate profits.

In your last sentence, you are right, we have not lost our jobs "because the 1% are getting richer." We are losing our jobs and pushed into poverty so that the 1% can get richer by avoiding their responsibility to workers, the environment, and the government that provides the conditions for them to earn a profit.

That is why occupy wall street exists: profits for the 1% while the 99% pay the price for their excessive greed.

WTF? Were you sleeping under a rock in the 80's and 90's? In my economics class we had to write about the Free Trade fiasco, and this was before it was actually signed by Clinton. Companies and CEO's here in the US even were against its signing. IBM, Bethleham Steel, Eastman Kodak were just a few that I can remember giving protest to congress before NAFTA was signed.
So you want to talk greed? Ok, you make about 50% more money then the average factory worker. I think in all fairness, and you should too, that you should have to pay higher taxes and also give the extra 50% of your pay to those who dont make as much as you do. It is unskilled labor after all.

Fill me in on who pushed for the free trade fiasco. If it wasn’t corporate interests, was it unions? Workers? Someone had to support it, and the corporations wasted no time shipping jobs overseas.

“Ok, you make about 50% more money then the average factory worker. I think in all fairness, and you should too, that you should have to pay higher taxes and also give the extra 50% of your pay to those who dont make as much as you do. It is unskilled labor after all.”

Good point. Someone earning half my wages with a household of 4 is below the poverty level for that size of family and should be paying no income taxes anyway; note these are part of the group some like to refer to as parasites – blows my mind that people think it is acceptable to have working Americans living in poverty. Instead of putting me into poverty, how about removing the “parasites” from among us in a just way by putting them on the same pay scale as us?

If I give 50% I will be bankrupt. If the top 1% gave 50% they would still have plenty left to throw around. If the 1% only earned 50% more than me this would not be an issue. In fact we would be too far the other way.

Hey bo and ktpelec!
Here is your precious OWS in Oakland:
zombietime.com/occupy_oakland_10-22-2011/

LOL!
Pics are worth soooo much more!
Read the page as well, and the videos are great too.
Hard to believe you guys defend these pieces of shit.

I did not look at the pics and I do not have a reason to. Here is why. Despite the differences in behaviors, looks, or beliefs every American has the right to peacefully protest without police brutality. (besides I may regret the last sentence if I did look)

[bo862]

Jobs, looks like a copy paste. Do you have the link that provided this?

These sound like the amount from payroll alone. Typically payroll will only account for a small portion of the top %’s income. When you add in the rest that is only taxed at 15% their total tax payout is far less. Warren Buffets is probably under 20%.

Let’s see if these numbers come from a credible site. We can discuss it from there.

As far as factory workers determining exactly what % everyone should pay is just an opportunity for you to sling mud. We don’t have or understand all of the details of the system, but we don’t have to in order to see the income gap. Also it is not hard to see the inequities when a party is ready to shut the nation down to keep taxes low for a certain group but demands that they be raised for a less politically influential group.

Btw, the current cap on income taxes is 35%. Just to point out that the info may be a bit biased concerning current tax codes.

[marcus]

Please tell us how much should rich people be paying in tax? Dont dodge the question.If I make a million dollars how much should I give to the Gov?

[bo862]

As far as factory workers determining exactly what % everyone should pay is just an opportunity for you to sling mud. We don’t have or understand all of the details of the system, but we don’t have to in order to see the income gap. Also it is not hard to see the inequities when a party is ready to shut the nation down to keep taxes low for a certain group but demands that they be raised for a less politically influential group.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

...lol, marcus, good luck getting an anwser from these libs.... they just can,t handle simple questions or facts.....I give them numbers and their only concern is what was the site, so they can see if its credible.....like they are fucking experts at whats a good site or not .....

Internal Revenue Service’s 2009/2010 database

...you can check the numbers yourselves.....


......watch this marcus.... their respond to my post is going to be:....

bo..."I,m not a lib, I,m a moderate"

ktpelect.."why do you label people..." blah, blah,blah

bo/ktpelect..don't put words in my month"..lol

.....answer the question:

How much should the 1% pay? ...so you and these ocupiers stop crying...about the 1%...

......"I AM THE 99%"..... What a load of shit.....class warfare, its all it is......and OBAMA is loving it....."don't look at me look over there"...he says..

[bo862]

ok, lets play.

In 1945, we had just finished a major war. Currently we have 2 wars going on. So let’s set taxes to that year which was 94%.

There you go. There is your magic number. It took taxing the top earners 94% to recover from the war. Let’s try it again.

www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

ooohhh.... I can play with numbers too...

...as you mention, in 1945...tax was 94%....and US revenue(how much money the US took in)....was 223billion....

...but if you notice, in 2010...tax was 35% ...and US revenue....was 14551.8Billion

.....how could less taxes create more money? hmmmm

...yes I know, you are going to come back at me with population growth,%gdp...blah,blah,blah.....but your chart and my chart don't lie.....it does not change the fact that, less taxes more revenue?.....

....so whats the problem? .....well I'm glad you asked:

.....if you look at your own site...you would find the actual spending the gorvenrment did year after year....and how much it went up!....

...we DO NOT have a revenue problem, WE have a
SPENDING problem....

....and these liberal democrat hippies are protesting the wrong people....


....on a more personal note*....I added the links on the bottom...hopefully the crying can stop!...please!





Year GDP-US $ billion Total Direct Revenue-total pct GDP
1902 24.1 7.03 a
1903 25.93 6.82 i
1904 25.7 7.08 i
1905 28.8 6.61 i
1906 31 6.63 i
1907 33.851 6.60 i
1908 30.133 7.47 i
1909 32.2 7.32 i
1910 33.4 7.66 i
1911 34.343 7.89 i
1912 37.4 7.55 i
1913 39.14 7.61 a
1914 36.479 8.67 i
1915 38.675 8.55 i
1916 49.638 7.29 i
1917 59.702 7.12 i
1918 75.835 9.76 i
1919 78.3 12.02 i
1920 88.4 13.00 i
1921 73.603 14.60 i
1922 73.4 12.70 a
1923 85.414 11.46 i
1924 86.9 11.84 i
1925 90.6 11.66 i
1926 96.9 11.68 i
1927 95.544 12.76 a
1928 97.4 13.07 i
1929 103.6 12.96 i
1930 91.2 14.74 i
1931 76.5 16.44 i
1932 58.7 17.53 a
1933 56.4 19.13 i
1934 66 17.12 a
1935 73.3 16.94 i
1936 83.8 16.21 a
1937 91.9 16.84 i
1938 86.1 20.31 a
1939 92.2 19.13 i
1940 101.4 17.56 a
1941 126.7 16.54 i
1942 161.9 17.51 a
1943 198.6 20.19 i
1944 219.8 29.47 a
1945 223 30.23 i
1946 222.2 27.69 a
1947 244.1 25.37 i
1948 269.1 24.90 a
1949 267.2 24.53 i
1950 293.7 22.70 a
1951 339.3 24.28 i
1952 358.3 27.98 a
1953 379.3 27.62 a
1954 380.4 28.46 a
1955 414.7 25.66 a
1956 437.4 27.35 a
1957 461.1 28.01 a
1958 467.2 27.91 a
1959 506.6 26.26 a
1960 526.4 29.08 a
1961 544.8 29.14 a
1962 585.7 27.54 a
1963 617.8 27.89 a
1964 663.6 27.74 a
1965 719.1 26.92 a
1966 787.7 27.34 a
1967 832.4 28.84 a
1968 909.8 27.85 a
1969 984.4 30.46 a
1970 1038.3 30.92 a
1971 1126.8 28.91 a
1972 1237.9 29.55 a
1973 1382.3 29.63 a
1974 1499.5 30.63 a
1975 1637.7 30.14 a
1976 1824.6 29.99 a
1977 2030.1 31.07 a
1978 2293.8 30.59 a
1979 2562.2 30.95 a
1980 2788.1 31.76 a
1981 3126.8 32.48 a
1982 3253.2 33.10 a
1983 3534.6 31.23 a
1984 3930.9 31.07 a
1985 4217.5 31.95 a
1986 4460.1 32.27 a
1987 4736.4 33.40 a
1988 5100.4 32.86 a
1989 5482.1 33.24 i
1990 5800.5 33.23 a
1991 5992.1 33.07 a
1992 6342.3 33.07 a
1993 6667.4 33.39 a
1994 7085.2 33.51 a
1995 7414.7 34.27 a
1996 7838.5 34.85 a
1997 8270.46 35.66 a
1998 8727.02 36.53 a
1999 9286.86 36.08 a
2000 9884.17 37.19 a
2001 10218 34.82 a
2002 10572.4 31.21 a
2003 11067.8 31.08 a
2004 11788.9 33.01 a
2005 12554.5 33.80 a
2006 13310.9 35.28 a
2007 13969.3 36.98 a
2008 14270.5 32.96 a
2009 14014.8 26.70 e
2010 14551.8 28.89 g
2011 15079.6 30.78 g
2012 15812.5 32.56 g
2013 16752.4 34.03 g
2014 17782.2 34.96 g
2015 18804.1 35.40 g

Legend:
a - actual reported
i - interpolated between actual reported values
e - out-year estimate in US fy13 budget
g - 'guesstimated' projection by usgovernmentspending.com
b - budgeted estimate in US fy13 budget

www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_chart_1902_2015USp_F0t#copypaste

[ackspac]

Too much socialist BS!

To each their own.

I earn every penny I make and I will never beg a rich person to give me what I never earned.

If I felt like these OWS people, I would just move to Russia or some socialist country where these things exist.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

Amen!

[JoePieper]

Yes they have a right to PEACEFULLY protest. But when it becomes a safety and health issue its a problem. I also have a right to peace and quiet and sanitary comditions. The bottom line is EVERYONE is entitled to all measure of liberty until such time as it infringes on MY liberty.

[marcus]

wow you think taking 94 percent of someones money is ok.There is nothing to even say to you,that says it all right there 94 percent!
Taking 94 percent of one group of peoples money is not what helped us recover from the war.