Repulicans support the Rich!!!

[sanjay]

When it comes to the middle class (who are the real job creators by spending money on goods) the republicans do not want tax cuts unless they are paid for but for the rich who save their extra money and studies show it does the economy no good they do not want to pay for it , the debt does not matter then. Any middle class person (especially union) that support republicans needs to have their head examined

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

Well, welcome back sanjay....counldn't stay away huh!!

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“Father, must I go to work“
No, my lucky son,
We’re living now on easy street
On dough from Uncle Sam.

We’ve left it up to Uncle Sam;
so don’t get exercised.
Nobody has to give a danm,
we’ve all been subsidized!”

“But if Sam treats us all so well,
and feeds us milk and honey,
Please tell me, Daddy, tell me what the hell
he’s going to use for money?”

“Don’t worry, bub, there's not a hitch
in this here noble plan;
He simply soaks the filthy rich
and helps the common man!”
“But father, won’t there come a time
when they run out of cash,
When we have left them not a dime
when things will go to smash?”

“My faith in you is shrinking,
son you nosey little brat;
You do too much thinking, boy,
to be a Democrat!”

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

EVERYTHING OLD IS NEW AGAIN!

[fordworker95]

Dec 21, 2011 13:08:42 GMT -5 sanjay said:

When it comes to the middle class (who are the real job creators by spending money on goods) the republicans do not want tax cuts unless they are paid for but for the rich who save their extra money and studies show it does the economy no good they do not want to pay for it , the debt does not matter then. Any middle class person (especially union) that support republicans needs to have their head examined

I don't agree 100% with either party,being a UAW member,I find myself voting for the lesser of two evils,most of the time that ends up being democrats.No matter what you think of the current leadership of the UAW,if we did not have a UNION contract with ford,we would have no bennies and all of us would be making 15 an hour or less.I have yet to see any republican that is pro union!

[marcus]

I dont agree that people buying stuff makes jobs.It takes someone to open a store or factory to make jobs.
I am pro union and thats about all I agree with that the dems on.

[sanjay]

When you purchase things it creates demand, business react by making more goods, to make more goods they hire people to make and sell the goods. I agree with the lesser of two evils

[marcus]

Good grief

[sanjay]

Economics 101

[marcus]

You failed that class man.Not anything else I can say to you then.

[rolltide]

hey sanjay relaying on spending alone to boost the economy is a recipe for disaster, remember the housing bubble that went bust.I think people should quit spending and start saving alot more in a hurry,because if the Marxist In Chief gets 4 more years the recession were in now will seem like the Good Ole Days!

[ktpelec]

Wow, its funny how easily we get off topic.
During the last presidential administration with republican control of congress, the richest Americans doubled their incomes. The country is supposed to be in a recession right now, yet the DOW closed above 12000 today. Many areas of the corporate world are experiencing record profits. I haven't had a raise in years though....

[sanjay]

That is why I can not stay on this forum these Republicans on here are just like their candidate's just plain Stupid!!!!!!

[rolltide]

I didn't say otherwise I was showing an example of what happens when people over extend themselfs

[ktpelec]

I just heard Newt, the Republican front runner, say today, "Americans create jobs!"

[rolltide]

is that not true

[ktpelec]

Just saw it on CBS news....it was from the Sept debate, pushing his "Jobs plan"

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

For years Republicans have been arguing that we can not tax the “job creators” without jeopardizing the economy. Each dollar in new taxes reduces the amount of money “job creators” have to invest in new jobs.

Recently, Democrats have caught on to this argument (yes, Democrats are a bit slow) and have come up with a counter argument. Demand is the only thing that creates jobs. Without adequate demand “job creators” won’t invest in new jobs.

So who is right?

Is the glass half full or half empty?

.....As with all discussions about the economy, its complicated.... What creates jobs can not be dumbed down into one line political talking points..... There is not one magic bullet that will create jobs.....Jobs are dependent on two things demand and the availability of money to invest.....These two things are interdependent. Increased demand creates jobs but also creates the need for money to invest in the infrastructure to support new jobs. As usual Republicans and Democrats are only telling the side of the story that support the simplified talking points that rally their political bases......These politicans worry about getting re-elected while most Americans worry about finding and keeping a job.

......but no one is looking at the actual glass...that was created in the first place...someone(entrepreneur)
had time and money, lots of it(rich)..... to create(invent) that glass to start their glass business....and make money for himself or herself....


...and I'll say it again....

Has a poor man ever given you a job?

[ktpelec]

Thats another bit of political spin, that Americans cannot get by without these wealthy "Job creators" and legislation must be skewed in their favor to keep them rich, so that they can provide jobs. Pure BS....
Small business owners out employ large corporations many times over in the U.S.A. I started my career working for a small family owned electric business. They were great people, payed good, and cared about their employees. They were no were near millionaires.
So yes, I've been given a job and worked for a "poor" man.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

....yes, the argument doesn't go their way....let's redefine some words....In this case..."the POOR"...

...nice...

[ktpelec]

Words such as "Rich" and "Poor" can have a wide range of definitions, every American has their own opinion of that....

[bulldognuts]

Ktpelec your point about small business is well taken.The only problem is these wonderful liberals who says we need to tax the rich consider anyone making $200,000 and above as the the rich.I'm sure that you are aware that many small business owners are not inc. they file taxes as individuals which puts them directly in the sights of lets tax the rich crowd.So this lets tax the rich mentality does put a burden directly on small business owners.Let me further point out to anyone who says ,well we should only tax folks making $1,000,000 or more does not work, that would only be a pittance of funds when compared to the deficit spending.I have in the past stated my views on the tax structure where everybody should pay something even if it is only %1 and if taxes are raised everybodies taxes should be raised proportionatlely.Most small businesses fall into the $200,000 to $500,000 range and the Lets tax rich crowd knows that they have to include this income group into the rich because that is where the money is when looking at taxable funds that would be a substantial amount.I would also like to welcome sanjay back,I was hoping he would follow my advice and continue to at least come back and read other peoples opinions and possibly open his mind and have a intelligent conversation based on Ideas and beliefs and try to have some facts to try to reinforce his beliefs.I was sorely disappointed to see he immediatly started calling people names that he disagreed with.He as once again threatened to never come back.I believe he has spent so much time on liberal forums,where everyone agrees with his views he just can not handle any kind of dissent from Liberal thinking.

[ktpelec]

I agree Bulldog, $200,000 was to low, the last round of proposals was considering a 1 million dollar threshold for the tax purposes.
To the original Topic, many members of Congress cater to the wealthy in my opinion....

[bulldognuts]

ktp I believe you may be missing my point,it is that low because they know it would not help to raise it to a higher threshold.The bulk of any increased taxes would have to come from that lower level of what they like to say is the rich.The most recent proposal that you are referencing about taxing the rich I believe is the Buffet tax.You are correct The Rebublicans were against this increase and many Democrats were for it.I will not try to argue whether this would hurt or help the the deficit,but my opinion is that the main reason this tax increase was proposed was that President Obama truly believes in redistibution of income.He also knew that Rebublicans and some Conservative Democrats would not support this tax increase at any time ,much less during a recession,and it would be a great election tool to run on during the 2012 election.

[ktpelec]

Anything, every politician says is aimed at re-election first....the possibility of them being able to accomplish it is only secondary.
I won't comment on reducing the deficit, that's another Topic.
As I posted before, far to many politicians, Republican and Democrat, cater to the wealthiest of our society.

[Deleted]

And under a Democratic congress its helped the poor out, how?

[bulldognuts]

youtu.be/iivL4c_3pck Obamas view on wealth redistribution

[marcus]

Yes americans do create Jobs Newt is right.What do you think he was saying?

[marcus]

You need to tell the whole thing he said.Newt said Americans create the jobs not government and its americans with MONEY that create them.

[marcus]

Sanjay im sorry you cant handle the truth or facts.You need to put some facts out to support what you are saying.

[ktpelec]

Dec 22, 2011 14:30:36 GMT -5 sanjay said:

When you purchase things it creates demand, business react by making more goods, to make more goods they hire people to make and sell the goods. I agree with the lesser of two evils

That's exactly what he meant, I believe. The buying American public creates jobs for small businesses, the #1 American employer.