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Post by marcus on Dec 21, 2011 12:31:51 GMT -5
Wonder if the people that protect obama have weapons on them?Guess its ok to defend yourself if your an elite.
"I am not in favor of concealed weapons," Obama said
"...I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry," Obama said. Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004
"There was a discussion today about a law that has just passed in California that allows micro-tracing of bullets that have been discharged in a crime so that they can immediately be traced," he said. "This is something that California has passed over the strong objections of the NRA…That's the kind of common sense gun law that gun owners as well as victims of gun violence can get behind." Barack Obama, Feb. 15, 2008
"I think that local jurisdictions have the capacity to institute their own gun laws…The City of Chicago has gun laws, as does Washington, D.C.," he said. Barack Obama, Feb. 15, 2008
on Licensing and Registering gun owners
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done.
Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
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Post by marcus on Dec 21, 2011 12:33:30 GMT -5
The two women he put in the Supreme Court are against the Second Amendment.All he needs is to put one more person on the supreme court and good buy 2nd amendment.
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Post by marcus on Dec 21, 2011 12:39:09 GMT -5
Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15
Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition
Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership
Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities
Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.
Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions
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Post by marcus on Dec 21, 2011 12:39:57 GMT -5
Hey I put this in wrong section sorry.
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Post by javajoe on Dec 21, 2011 14:16:03 GMT -5
I'm a gun owner, and I have never heard Obama say anything like you are saying he supports.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Dec 21, 2011 17:13:52 GMT -5
What he DID do is bail out GM and Chrysler, thereby saving our industry, contract, pensions, wages and bennies.........against almost TOTAL GOP opposition.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Dec 21, 2011 17:24:19 GMT -5
Moved it for ya...
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Post by marcus on Dec 22, 2011 10:57:25 GMT -5
THis is only about guns not pro union or not driveshaft.
Obama has said all these things and more.Its pretty easy to look it up.Its easy to find.Some of it is in the bills he supported and voted for before he was president.The last two he appointed to the Supreme Court are anti 2nd amendment.
You say you are a gun owner and I guess you agree with the 2nd amendment.I suggest you look up all he has said and done.
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Post by ktpelec on Dec 22, 2011 12:27:05 GMT -5
I am a gun owner and have been all my life.
There are more guns now than ever before. There are more concealed carry states than ever before. There are more on-line stores selling ammo and gun accessories than ever before.
Gun and ammo prices skyrocketed just after Obama was elected, to the manufacturers and store owners delight. Yet there have been no changes to gun laws.
The same old hysteria comes out about gun rights time after time, all of it a scare tactic.
The Supreme court decides such issues. Any court appointees have to be approved by Congress.
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Post by marcus on Dec 22, 2011 14:14:16 GMT -5
We are just one away in the supreme court to have serious repercussions to our 2nd amendment rights.The last two obama put in and they vote against us everytime.Its always 5 to 4 in our favor but that can change next week.
There have been changes to gun laws for the better.The bill clinton gun ban is now over.Obama has said he wants it back.Half my guns where illegal under bill clintons gun ban.
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Post by marcus on Dec 22, 2011 14:21:31 GMT -5
Its not a scare tactic at all dont be so Naive.Obama has said all these things I put above. If Obama gets one more of his people in there like the Last two he put in it would go the other way and be 4 to 5 and its over.
We have lots of gun choice now and ammo choice but dont think its because of the libs or obama.The truth is out there so please look it up for yourself.
D.C. v. Heller decision, has established that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to possess firearms, rather than the right of the states to form armed militias
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Post by marcus on Dec 22, 2011 14:23:18 GMT -5
This is a fact During the presidential primary debates, Obama even vowed to re-impose the discredited Clinton gun ban, which banned many commonly owned firearms used for hunting and self-defense.
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Post by ktpelec on Dec 22, 2011 16:21:29 GMT -5
I don't feel I'm naive on this issue, I feel that I'm pretty well informed, maybe you are just over reacting.
Clintons ban did not make owning those weapons illegal, just the import and sale of them. They have always been illegal to use in the commission of a crime though.
I feel more threatened by an individual with a weapon, like the one that injured 2 LMPD officers just the other day, than a Supreme Court vote.
I don't want to be in a country like North Korea, where no one is allowed to own a weapon, but I also don't want to be in a country like Iraq, where very other person has an AK either.
Every presidential candidate makes statements during campaigning, to appease certain types of voters. He's been in office 3 years, no gun law changes yet... Dems control the Senate narrowly, the Repubs have overwhelming control of the House.
The president can nominate court justices, congress still has to approve them....
The Supreme Court has a long history of 5-4 votes, that reflects the way Americans feel about many issues, divided. Religion, abortion, and firearms have been some of the most polarizing issues this country has faced throughout it's history. Americans are always going to be divided on these issues, that's just the nature of this huge country we live in. A person in Oregon isn't going to feel the same way as a person in Florida, New York, or many other states. There will always be a difference in values here in America, not everyone is going to feel the same way about certain social issues as I, nor anyone else does.
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Post by marcus on Dec 22, 2011 17:07:01 GMT -5
Well he got the last two in with a DEM control congress.I dont want to take a chance that his next one wont get in also.Are you so sure of yourself that it wont happen? You make it sound like it wont and that its all to try and scare you.Facts are Facts its not a scare tactic
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Post by rolltide on Dec 22, 2011 17:59:34 GMT -5
ktpelec, Gun Control was the whole reason behind that criminal program called"Fast and Furious". You know the one were guns were allowed to be sold and sent to the Mexican Drug Cartels so Obama could have evidence that U.S. weapons were involved in crimes in Mexico to drum up support for tougher gun controls here.
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Post by ktpelec on Dec 22, 2011 18:16:30 GMT -5
If you only watch FOX news that's what you are led to believe...
ATF wanted to show how much control Mexican cartels have over illegal gun sales in this country.
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Post by rolltide on Dec 22, 2011 18:21:48 GMT -5
yea thats what they on say on MSLSD oops MSNBC
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Post by rolltide on Dec 22, 2011 18:45:28 GMT -5
Can't get the link to post but Google CBS News Fast and Furious and you'll get the story thats CBS not Fox
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Post by bulldognuts on Dec 23, 2011 12:01:33 GMT -5
ktpelec I always enjoy reading your opinions,they are generally well informed and well thought out.While you are correct about no new gun laws,you and I know that Obama and Eric holder are fully aware that it would be political suicide to start pushing for new gun laws before the 2012 elections.The economy being as it is, pushing new gun laws would only give Obamas political opponents excellent ammunition "pun intended" against him.Obama and Eric Holders statements on tighter gun control have been consistent for many years,if Obama is reelected we will see the his true intentions on gun control.This is just my opinion based on the feeling that Obama is much more concerned about his progressive beliefs and instituting those beliefs than he is about doing what is best for the country.In the past I would only be concerned about his true intentions if he had control of the senate and congress.But he has shown that he is willing to go around the congress and issue executive orders to institute his beliefs,and has said as much.
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Post by ktpelec on Dec 23, 2011 14:01:26 GMT -5
A huge percentage of Americans, not just Obama, believe also that there should be stricter gun laws. People from different backgrounds, located in different areas, will always differ on their opinions. Especially on the subject of, "what is best for this country."
Executive orders aren't anything new, Bush issued almost 300. Many of his concerned labor and union laws, faith based initiatives, and homeland security.
I am grateful we live in a country where different opinions can at least be discussed without fear from persecution.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 14:45:14 GMT -5
I am a gun owner and have been all my life. There are more guns now than ever before. There are more concealed carry states than ever before. There are more on-line stores selling ammo and gun accessories than ever before. Gun and ammo prices skyrocketed just after Obama was elected, to the manufacturers and store owners delight. Yet there have been no changes to gun laws. The same old hysteria comes out about gun rights time after time, all of it a scare tactic. The Supreme court decides such issues. Any court appointees have to be approved by Congress. You forgot about the Assault Weapons Ban passed under Bill Clinton in the 90's? The Liberal left, with the likes of Pelosi, Fienstien, Boxer, etc. wants all guns banned. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 14:45:46 GMT -5
I'm a gun owner, and I have never heard Obama say anything like you are saying he supports. Google "Obama antigun". |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 14:51:06 GMT -5
If you only watch FOX news that's what you are led to believe... ATF wanted to show how much control Mexican cartels have over illegal gun sales in this country. Open your eyes. You spread more propaganda for the left then our UAW leaders. Everytime something is mentioned against the left, you rattle off "FOX NEWS, RUSH, BECK,etc.", then you delete your posts and run and hide. Post facts, not fiction. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 14:55:26 GMT -5
Lol!
I must of hit a nerve in a Libtard.
One of them has been busy giving me negative rep while Ive been gone.
My feelings are hurt, boo hoo!
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Post by marcus on Dec 24, 2011 1:09:24 GMT -5
Very very few guns go to mexico from the USA.The drug lords dont want or need our high dollar semi auto ARs or AKs.They get the full auto ones from other countries for pennies compared to what we get.
We have enough gun laws in this country,I can kill more people with my F250 than any gun I have.More people die because of Beer than guns in this country.
You really need to get of this Fox news crap.They never thought they would ban guns in the UK but they did.They went about it the same way the Libs are wanting to do now.
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Post by ktpelec on Dec 24, 2011 11:28:32 GMT -5
Don't mis-understand my posts Marcus, I agree with you, the far left is against guns, just as the far right are against unions.
My point is that we have provisions in place to protect these rights, and they've worked for years. As Bulldog and I pointed out, taking a stand on an issue such as gun control, abortion, or religion by any politician is political suicide, half of our nation will be against you instantly.
The Mexican cartel reference was about the "Fast and Furious" debacle by the ATF, those guns did go to Mexico. I don't know what kinds of guns are perffered by terrorists, but guns and drugs proliferate the black market everywhere.
You and I live in Ky. which I consider pro-gun, so it's just preaching to the choir here. Now if you could convince folks in other places across the US that might rally the cause.
I try to stay informed from many news sources, but in my opinion FOX is one of the worst biased sources.
Please accept my apologee if I seemed indifferent or angered anyone.
Merry Christmas, have a great holiday.
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Post by cal50 on Dec 30, 2011 13:53:14 GMT -5
A huge percentage of Americans, not just Obama, believe also that there should be stricter gun laws. People from different backgrounds, located in different areas, will always differ on their opinions. Especially on the subject of, "what is best for this country." Executive orders aren't anything new, Bush issued almost 300. Many of his concerned labor and union laws, faith based initiatives, and homeland security. I am grateful we live in a country where different opinions can at least be discussed without fear from persecution. ....and a huge % of Americans thought Asbestos WAS not harmful. (So much for mass ideas of whats correct) On face value "tougher" gun laws sound good and reasonable. The truth is another law has zero impact on crime. It would be similar for a call for tougher laws for murder or rape. There are plenty of laws already on the books now to cover all situations. Obama & friends have no like of firearms and if left up to them the 2nd amendment would be amended or removed. Look at Obama's prior voting record as a senator or how his home state treats firearms. Not favorable. The BATFE "Fast & Furious" operation was suppose to give them leverage to enact more gun control for us law abiding types of people. It backfired on them and people here and across the border died from their social experiment. There never was any reciprocity agreement with Mexico and they allowed hundreds of illegal purchases to go through and sat back and watched. The Mexican cartels are very well funded (in the millions) and they have better hardware, vehicles and weapons than most law enforcement agencies. The cartel's are not gun show shopping or buying the bulk of their hardware from gun shops. With their assets and connections they can buy real military grade equipment and select fire weapons. I am not an Obama fan. I did not vote for the guy but had my fingers crossed he would be something different. At this point I would vote for about anyone else but Obama. He is clearly in way over his head on several topics and firearms is another one I hope he keeps his hand off. Its yet another topic he knows nothing about. Our AG Holder is just as inept as well. If you cant keep tons of illegal drugs out of the USA I doubt you can keep firearms from moving north or south as well. Just don't make the average American the bad guy for some others illegal activity.I am sure there are laws already on the books to cover. |
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Post by rolltide on Jan 4, 2012 19:26:25 GMT -5
2011 gun sales hit record highs wonder how many they will sale if he wins in nov(God Forbid)
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 5, 2012 11:37:26 GMT -5
I wonder what percentage of all those guns and ammo sales are made in America....
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Post by cal50 on Jan 5, 2012 15:41:34 GMT -5
I wonder what percentage of all those guns and ammo sales are made in America.... There are several American gun companies left and many that are foreign based but have shops here to do finial assembly. Similar to a Ford assembled in Mexico and sold here. The money usually goes to where the main HQ is located. |
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