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Post by bo862 on Dec 22, 2011 8:43:15 GMT -5
This came from a republican and Yarmuth. It will not fix America’s broken political system but it sure as hell is a step in the right direction. www.wfpl.org/2011/12/20/yarmuth-introduces-constitutional-amendment-to-overturn-citizens-united-case/ This is the article. www.wfpl.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Money-Out-of-Politics-Bill-—-Yarmuth.pdf This is a pdf of the proposal. This will be hard to pass but everyone needs to support it. Yarmuth Introduces Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Citizens United Caseby Phillip M. Bailey on December 20, 2011 Seeking to overturn the Citizens United case, U.S. Rep. John Yarmuth, D-Ky., filed a bill Tuesday that would amend the U.S. Constitution to get money out of politics by toppling key provisions of the Supreme Court’s controversial decision. The bipartisan legislation was introduced alongside U.S. Rep. Walter Jones, R-Nc., and establishes that financial expenditures and in-kind contributions do not qualify as protected free speech under the First Amendment. It also makes Election Day a legal holiday and enables Congress to establish a public financing system that would serve as the sole source of funding for federal elections. Yarmuth says the court’s January 2010 decision has opened the floodgates for corporate and special-interest influence on elections and in Washington. “Corporate money equals influence, not free speech,” Yarmuth said in a news release. “The last thing Congress needs is more corporate candidates who don’t answer to the American people. Until we get big money out of politics, we will never be able to responsibly address the major issues facing American families—and that starts by ensuring our elections and elected officials cannot be bought by the well-off and well-connected.” In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court rejected spending limits for corporations within federal election law, allowing companies to spend unlimited amounts for communications that advocate for the election or defeat of a specific candidate. The high court determined that a ban on those expenditures was illegal and that corporations, like people, have rights to free speech. Since then, the debate over the case has been sharp on both sides and other lawmakers, namely U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., have proposed constitutional amendments to counter the court’s ruling. The Yarmuth-Jones Disclose Act would reverse most of that decision and allows Congress to regulate campaign finance without a constitutional challenge. “If we want to change Washington and return power to the citizens of this nation, we have to change the way campaigns are financed. The status quo is dominated by deep-pocketed special interests, and that’s simply unacceptable to the American people,” Congressman Jones said in a release. According to Yarmuth’s office, outside groups spent four times more money on last year’s mid-term elections compared to the races in 2006. And because there are no new disclosure requirements, much of the money has been spent outside the view of the public. Last year, lawmakers introduced a similar bill to show the source of those contributions that would have installed disclosure requirements for new corporate spenders. But despite bi-partisan support, Senate Republicans filibustered the legislation and it was defeated. Yarmuth’s legislation faces an equally difficult challenge in passing the Republican-controlled House and another fight in the Senate if the bill makes it that far. Amendments to the U.S. Constitution require a two-thirds vote in both chambers of Congress before being approved by three-fourths of state legislatures. |
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Post by oldsbdcjim on Jan 1, 2012 19:27:47 GMT -5
Yarmuth is a idiot, because he wants the taxpayers to foot the bill for elections. Heck there isn't anything thing the federal government run right.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 1, 2012 22:42:13 GMT -5
......and here we go again! ,,,just to make sure people understand what Citizens United was really about...instead of these politicians scaring people,,, youtu.be/rUdFaIYzNwU |
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Post by Grimace on Jan 1, 2012 23:50:04 GMT -5
I have an issue with unlimited corporate donations to politicians. Not believing that politicians (lawyers cough) can be swayed by large donations or hopes of future donations is a mistake.
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Post by bo862 on Jan 1, 2012 23:53:22 GMT -5
Yarmuth is a idiot, because he wants the taxpayers to foot the bill for elections. Heck there isn't anything thing the federal government run right. The alternative is to allow special interests to fund the elections; making the politicians more concerned with their campaign finances than voter concerns. |
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 2, 2012 8:26:17 GMT -5
I have an issue with unlimited corporate donations to politicians. Not believing that politicians (lawyers cough) can be swayed by large donations or hopes of future donations is a mistake. Unlimited donations from corporations anywhere in the world..... I agree Grimace, how can that be good for the American people. |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 2, 2012 10:22:11 GMT -5
WTF!....really...has any of you actually read the Citizens United discision? or just repeating what you hear in the liberal media....
....While federal law has indeed prohibited corporations from directly contributing to federal candidates since 1907... that portion of the law was not at issue in Citizens United.... It remains the law of the land. Direct corporate contributions to candidates are still banned....
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 2, 2012 11:31:08 GMT -5
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Post by mulewrong on Jan 2, 2012 19:34:34 GMT -5
WTF!....really...has any of you actually read the Citizens United discision? or just repeating what you hear in the liberal media.... ....While federal law has indeed prohibited corporations from directly contributing to federal candidates since 1907... that portion of the law was not at issue in Citizens United.... It remains the law of the land. Direct corporate contributions to candidates are still banned.... . Blah Blah Blah.... It's unfortunate bills of this nature are typically introduced as cheap parlor tricks Public funded elections SHOULD BE the LAW of the Land. Take all the special interest out of politics.... Direct corporate contribution...Too funny.... just set up any shell company like Citizens United and funnel money through them, or 100 different PAC's and Contribute the max. Right now some of the biggest contributors are foreign countries like China... Any wonder they bought there way into WTO or why politicians voted for trade treaties that favor them... Its pay back!! Want to guess where the next big payoff comes from, look at the voting records on the central america trade treaty that passed last year. You'll see funds being funneled through all types of source's. Politicians & Corporations don't want to see public funded elections, it limits the influence peddling. I can see all the commercials now... America is broke, and some tree huggin, liberal wants tax payers to pay for elections yada yada.... These UNAMERICANS are trying to limit my reelection chances, effing tree huggers.... RIGHT.... slight of hand, distract you with BS, while the real money you loose is through the laws that are bought..... Wake up America take a political science class, make an informed decision or something!! Happy New Year! |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 2, 2012 20:49:33 GMT -5
...Jesus!... all I'm saying, its not the end of the fucking world....this shit(Campaign Finance) has been going on for centuries....it doesn't change a THING! Here's a timeline for you.... www.ct-n.com/civics/campaign_finance/Support%20Materials/Campaign%20Finacne%20Timeline.pdf" Amendment to change money in politics"......lol 100 years from now there will be blogging about this shit too....! ...Yarmuth and democrats are getting ready for an election year....Thats it! ....like you said, "cheap parlor tricks", indeed.. |
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 3, 2012 6:48:08 GMT -5
...Jesus!... all I'm saying, its not the end of the fucking world....this shit(Campaign Finance) has been going on for centuries....it doesn't change a THING! Here's a timeline for you.... www.ct-n.com/civics/campaign_finance/Support%20Materials/Campaign%20Finacne%20Timeline.pdf" Amendment to change money in politics"......lol 100 years from now there will be blogging about this shit too....! ...Yarmuth and democrats are getting ready for an election year....Thats it! ....like you said, "cheap parlor tricks", indeed.. Blah Blah Blah...... |
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Post by rolltide on Jan 3, 2012 8:36:38 GMT -5
KTPELEC I love when someone hits you with the truth and hard facts and you scream FOX NEWS and Rush Limbaugh and then you post a link to the Huffinton and Puffington post are you serious!! Thats funny I don't care who you are thats $h$t is funny keep'em comming KTPHUFFPOELEC.
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Post by mulewrong on Jan 3, 2012 9:19:26 GMT -5
...Jesus!... all I'm saying, its not the end of the fucking world....this shit(Campaign Finance) has been going on for centuries....it doesn't change a THING! Here's a timeline for you.... www.ct-n.com/civics/campaign_finance/Support%20Materials/Campaign%20Finacne%20Timeline.pdf" Amendment to change money in politics"......lol 100 years from now there will be blogging about this shit too....! ...Yarmuth and democrats are getting ready for an election year....Thats it! ....like you said, "cheap parlor tricks", indeed.. AGREE |
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 3, 2012 9:51:43 GMT -5
The only hard facts I read anywhere in this Topic are from the Boe862 and Mulewrong, that a 2 members of congress, one from both parties, are proposing an amendment to stop huge global corporations from becoming the ultimate campaign lobbyists....
You had better check my posts 'tide, I've never quoted Rush, I have no idea what the man says...
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Post by rolltide on Jan 3, 2012 10:06:07 GMT -5
KTP have some more coffee what i was saying was you accuse everybody else of listening to Rush or fox news then you post something from a website that has LESS Credibility than the ONION NEWS NETWORK!!
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 3, 2012 10:18:09 GMT -5
I think you've had too much coffee...
I have said that I thought FOX news is biased, that's my opinion, if you don't share that view it's okay... I just suggested that people get as much info on a subject as possible, from many sources.
Back to the original Topic...
Give me your opinion on why it's a good thing for global corporations to be able to spend millions of dollars on campaign ads across every type of media.....
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 3, 2012 14:12:54 GMT -5
To Yarmuth and many in here....is it Hypocrisy or Stupidity? ....really, be honest...i think its both...
Corporate money equals influence, not free speech,” Yarmuth
Yarmurth runs for office=> Courier Journal endorses Yarmuth=> Courier Journal is owned by Gannet Company Inc=> Gannett owns other news media in other countries= GLOBAL Corporate money!
Gannett's vision ....."through our unparalleled local-to-international portfolio of trusted brands, our ability to provide integrated marketing solutions, and our insight into consumer voter behavior."
I changed sonsumer to voter for ktpelect and bo862...so they wont get any more paranoid...lol
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 3, 2012 15:14:49 GMT -5
I just don't see the comparison of a campaign endorsement, often given by Police Depts, Fire Depts. organizations, etc.., and the millions of dollars spent by a publicly trusted (LOL) corporation such as Exxon/Mobil on blanket media ads and smear tactics...
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 3, 2012 15:41:07 GMT -5
oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were taliking about Global Corperate money.......that was Global corperate money the Courier was using (it paid for the ink,the paper,the writer,the fucker that forgot to bring me the paper this morning!) in that endoesement....where haaaave you been?
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 3, 2012 15:44:47 GMT -5
You don't have to read the Courier.....and I'm surprised you do..LOL
In my opinion it's still a very broad, far fetched comparison.
No opinion on Walter Jones, the Repub supporting it?
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 3, 2012 15:53:38 GMT -5
If you say so....I was just trying to stay on topic.
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 3, 2012 16:31:52 GMT -5
Walter Jones R-N.C., supporting bipartisan legislation to amend the Supreme Courts decision...also supporting the Fair Elections Now Act.
That Walter Jones...he was mentioned in the original post.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 3, 2012 16:46:25 GMT -5
....i like it when you edit your posts....I have to go back and read them incase I missed anything.... let me see...hmmmm....Walter Jones: Well, let me try to be nice...... Jones is not only a lousy conservative, he is pathetic as a Congressman....... Someone answer me this.... What has Walter Jones accomplished in 18 years in Congress? Nothing! Not one piece of major legislation has originated out of his office(I'm really surprise as to why democrats would use him(18 years bad luck)). He is a do nothing member of Congress…there just to collect a paycheck and build up his Congressional retirement fund. The only time he is in the news or for that matter FOMOCO is when he is having a photo op with Democrats in opposition to a Republican stance..... He has been at #1 www.removerinos.com/index.php for several years now.... He needs to retire or become a democrat, oh wait he can't...then democrats can't use him and call it bi-partisan! |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 3, 2012 16:50:58 GMT -5
...happy? who cares....lol
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 3, 2012 17:13:26 GMT -5
.....was that satifactory to you? did I cross the i's and dot the t's ok? ....or are we at that point where you tell me to stop watching fox news,litsen to Rush, Glen beck, etc.... oh wait you can,t...someone called you out on that already and besides I did admit...that I recieve the courier....oooppsss
rolltide, you are meaner!.....taking ktpelec's only out of this topic(post)...lol
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Post by rolltide on Jan 3, 2012 21:31:05 GMT -5
this whole thing is off topic unlimited corp donations was not part of the Citizens United ruling from the SCOTUS . Citizens United case repealed the Law called McCain/Fiengold ,the unlimited donations part was added by a lower court using the Citizen United ruling for its basis it is under appeal and probably will be overturned.McCain/Fiengold was a joke and should have been overturned, it should have been called the Encumbent Protection act.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 3, 2012 21:42:22 GMT -5
Amen!
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Post by bo862 on Jan 3, 2012 21:59:12 GMT -5
Good call rolltide. It is not about "unlimited corp donations." It is about the influence of money on our politicals system.
Explain why, in a democracy, protecting the influence of wealthy interests on the outcome of politics is more important than allowing the 300+ million to have equal say (1 vote each) in determining our leaders.
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Post by rolltide on Jan 3, 2012 22:24:41 GMT -5
first of all bo we don't have a democracy(thank God) we have a representive republic and second you can legally only vote once
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Post by bo862 on Jan 4, 2012 8:05:13 GMT -5
first of all bo we don't have a democracy(thank God) we have a representive republic and second you can legally only vote once Another good catch rolltide except this is supposed to be a representative republic elected by a democratic process, but unfortunately has been hijacked by special interests. Your disdain for democracy explains why you value special interests over Americans. Any particular reason you are anti-democratic? |
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