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Post by fordworker95 on Jan 3, 2012 20:21:18 GMT -5
Jobs1st,just curious if you are a dues paying union member?
I don't understand how any union dues payer could support a party(republicans) who doesn't believe that unions should even exist.
My political beliefs are not completely influenced by my belief in unions,however,I know that without a union contract with ford my wages and benefits would be less.
I don't think electing people to congress who make it more difficult to organize or bargain collectively is in the best interest of dues paying members.
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 4, 2012 7:00:48 GMT -5
LOL, great post '95!!
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 4, 2012 8:08:39 GMT -5
Yes, Awesome post! Mr 95....WTH... we have been through this shit already....but when I get to a computer, I will be more than happy to do it again...not on my cell....
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 4, 2012 8:44:50 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, I've never seen Polar post on any type of Ford Topic...only the Politics section. No posts concerning either plant, shifts, line work, supervisors, etc...
My self I work at KTP, Electrician in U-Trim, day shift. I personally know several people that participate on this Forum.
Does anyone know or have worked with Polar at either plant?
What about it Polar, are you a UAW member that actually works at Ford, or maybe a KIA driving anti- union internet troll?
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Post by Jr on Jan 4, 2012 9:04:36 GMT -5
I can stand up for Polar!!! Proud to know him and be his Friend!!!! HE is real. It would suprise you if you ever find out.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 4, 2012 9:14:30 GMT -5
Lol....thanks jr.....how was your New Years ....?
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 4, 2012 12:40:29 GMT -5
That's cool, I was really hoping we didn't have an outsider here. I owe you both a cold soda when and if I ever get to LAP.
I have to ask though Polar...you're a Republican union member.... Isn't that the ultimate dis against your own party? Did you write to Mitch "Union auto workers make too much money" McConnell and apologize? LOL
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 4, 2012 13:56:29 GMT -5
lol....I just can't win ...the other day I was debating someone in another blog...about legalizing pot....and I said I was for it........he/she said, "I wasn't a republican" ......for supporting this issue.....
.....so right now the only thing I can say is I'm a:
conservitive/libertarian union member
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 4, 2012 13:57:45 GMT -5
LOL. Hey, we have found something to agree on!!
Peace brother.
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Post by ackspac on Jan 4, 2012 14:51:56 GMT -5
Republicans suck!
Democrats swallow!
They all lie.
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Post by ackspac on Jan 4, 2012 14:56:51 GMT -5
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Post by rolltide on Jan 4, 2012 19:24:25 GMT -5
Fordworker what exactly has the democrats done for the unions
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 4, 2012 20:31:59 GMT -5
ok, Mr 95...lets try this again...it has been almost a year since I tried to explain this.... ...First of, I love my union(yes, even the over paid union leaders)! Why? becuase it's a PRIVATE union that nogotiates with a PRIVATE company(Ford)..so let me try to explain the difference between Private and Public...and then we'll go from there....If private sector unions negotiate deals that make their respective industries more expensive to operate... and thus their products more expensive, consumers have the right to buy less, or to go elsewhere to get what they want.... Businesses can send fewer employees to Las Vegas conferences. Families can pinch their food budgets if labor costs at grocery stores make prices more expensive, or replace their cars less often if union benefits add too much to the price of an automobile. If too many people opt out, or buy too little, the company in question goes out of business. And unless the government offers a bailout, that’s the end of the story. When dealing with the private sector.... unions generally have some incentive not to overreach to the point where their employer goes out of business. ....The story’s not the same in the public sector... When government employees negotiate added salary and benefits, those who are not directly employed by the government...which is to say, the vast majority of taxpayers.....can’t really opt out. So one of three things has to happen: 1) Taxes are raised to pay for the added compensation costs. 2) Services are cut in order to pay for the additional compensation. 3) The additional compensation isn’t ever paid....a situation that usually comes with, at minimum, some sort of minor political drama, if not a serious showdown. This is why the power of public sector unions is such a big fucking deal....you know how fucking dangerous that is!.... When they negotiate better benefits, the majority of taxpayers usually end up forced to bear the cost, somehow..... whether they want to or not.... With private sector unions, our union.... that’s not necessarily the case....and these fuckers(public unions) are making us all look bad...so Republcans say, "Fuck them all!" Oh, almost forgot, BECUASE of our union contract your benifits and wages ARE less, we just voted on it...and no EVIL Republicans were involved....We(UAW) just fucked 20% of our work force up the ass!....sad  |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 4, 2012 20:33:56 GMT -5
....nice bonus though right?
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 5, 2012 11:35:38 GMT -5
The company doesn't always go out of business, sometimes they take their production somewhere else...where there are no unions. Sometimes they refuse to negotiate with the union and bring in scab workers, breaking the union all together.
Sometime the public continues to buy the products these companies make also regardless how they pay their work force.
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Post by fordworker95 on Jan 6, 2012 17:03:02 GMT -5
Oh, almost forgot, BECUASE of our union contract your benifits and wages ARE less, we just voted on it...and no EVIL Republicans were involved....We(UAW) just fucked 20% of our work force up the ass!....sad Read more: scottrlap.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=election&action=display&thread=11453#ixzz1iiUifRuG I understand your feelings about our most recent contract,I also think it is the worst contract brought to the membership since I have been a member. However,the majority of members said yes to the agreement and I can live with that. The reason I say that is because we actually got to VOTE,we had a voice,we were able to make a choice,to vote yes or no. I think having the ability to decide,the choice to say yes or no to a contract,makes all UAW workers very fortunate. I don't support democrats 100%,but I have not seen ANY republicans who believe that workers should have a voice,and collectively bargain with an employer. |
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 6, 2012 18:15:29 GMT -5
So the UAW was negotiating a contract with a corporation whose controlling shareholders are.....Democrats....Independents.....Libertarians...?? LOL
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 6, 2012 19:53:05 GMT -5
What?
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 6, 2012 20:48:52 GMT -5
Oh, almost forgot, BECUASE of our union contract your benifits and wages ARE less, we just voted on it...and no EVIL Republicans were involved... |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jan 6, 2012 21:41:33 GMT -5
Really!, do I really need to say politicians ....that's what Mr 95 was talking about...
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Post by marcus on Jan 6, 2012 21:53:46 GMT -5
Im pro union but thats all I have in common with the D party,the other 90 percent I agree with the Rs.Im not a one issue person.The Dem have sold us out as well as the other guys.
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 7, 2012 7:46:33 GMT -5
Private vs Public unions......Blah Blah Blah...
It seems to me that most Americans just lump them all together as unionized workers.
A lot of blue collar working Americans seem to share the same opinion as basically all of corporate America of unionized workers also.....that they make too much damn money!!
LOL
I agree Marcus, neither party seems to support the vast middle class entirely.
I want corporate America to do well, but not at the expense of my wages, health, or future.
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Post by pmooret on Jan 7, 2012 9:21:37 GMT -5
This week on the RUSH show he was saying that Obama wants to cut back on our military guys who protect us and was wondering why he didn't want to cut back on police officers and firemen who protect us. He then went on to say that it was because the police and firemens unions contribute to Obama's campaign. A lot of people swallowed this.
The reason that Obama does not cut back on police and firemen is because he does not have the authority to do so, they are not federal employees. Soldiers however are paid by the goverment and Obama has the right to adjust his budgets/departments.
Rush does rush to run off at the mouth sometimes.
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Post by rolltide on Jan 7, 2012 10:00:26 GMT -5
Hey pmooret what do you think the first Federal Stimulus bill was all about.It sent money to the states so they could supposedly rehire laidoff teachers-police and firemen.IE union members who then return some of yhe money back to the democrats as campaign contributions inother words it was a slush fund.All rush was saying was that obama dosent mine spending almost 1 trillion$ to save a few hundred jobs and yes thats about all it did since the states either sat on the money or used it to pay extended unemployment benefits. But dosent mine cutting troops and national defense, which by the way is the only job function of the President spelled out in the Constitution.
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Post by bo862 on Jan 7, 2012 17:58:28 GMT -5
...rehire laidoff teachers-police and firemen.IE union members who then return some of yhe money back to the democrats as campaign contributions inother words it was a slush fund... a few hundred jobsand yes thats about all it did... Wow, a slush fund supported by a few hundred union members. Sounds like more than just a stretch to put that one together. The way your argument sounds, ‘Dam all those over influential union members throwing around their weight and extra cash to control the political process!’ BTW, this is what you supported in the other post, special interest influence over “democratic mob rule.” |
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Post by rolltide on Jan 8, 2012 11:29:33 GMT -5
sorry should have given more details or maybe typed slower for my liberal coworkers,what i was refering to was the way the stimulus and son of stimulus was sold to the minority group known as taxpayers. And that was "Shovel Ready Jobs"(that didnt exist by the way) and saving the jobs of police and firefighters and in the second go around Teachers because the NEA had a snit that they got left out of the first handout I mean Stimulus.The whole thing wound up costing about $275,000. per job and thats from the labor dept. The GAO and CBO and some watchdog groups put the figure at almost three times as high because they say there is no way to calculate a saved job which the Obama Admin claimed in its total but won't say what formula it used to come up with its number.Thats a huge price to pay for jobs that last only a year or two. and according to states that used the money to either rehire laidoff teachers or to keep from laying teachers had to layoff about the same number anyway a year later when the money ranout.Because most states will not tackle the tough problems like Wisconsin did most keep kicking the can down the road
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Post by cal50 on Jan 9, 2012 12:27:21 GMT -5
Im pro union but thats all I have in common with the D party,the other 90 percent I agree with the Rs.Im not a one issue person.The Dem have sold us out as well as the other guys. What he said. You can take my dues and spend them how you want but my thoughts and vote remain mine. I hate liberal democrats more than conservative republicans. |
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Post by bulldognuts on Jan 10, 2012 2:10:24 GMT -5
Im pro union but thats all I have in common with the D party,the other 90 percent I agree with the Rs.Im not a one issue person.The Dem have sold us out as well as the other guys. What he said. You can take my dues and spend them how you want but my thoughts and vote remain mine. I hate liberal democrats more than conservative republicans. I think cal50 hit the nail on the head,that just about sums it up for me. |
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