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Post by bo862 on May 19, 2012 0:35:28 GMT -5
In March 2012, 15000 warm temperature records broken in the U.S. earthsky.org/earth/in-march-2012-15000-warm-temperature-records-broken-in-us “the average temperature for the contiguous United States was 8.6 degrees above the 20th century average.” ” So far in 2012, the daily record-high to record-low ratio has been about 17-to-1. For monthly record highs compared to monthly record lows the ratio has been a lopsided 33-to-1 in favor of warm temperature records. If the climate were not warming, one would expect the ratios to be, on average, closer to 1-to-1.” This helps explain why it happened. |
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Post by rolltide on May 19, 2012 9:31:00 GMT -5
Hey B.O. 2 questions 1] what is the average temperature of the earth since it was formed and 2] what temperature is best for the planet now?
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Post by bo862 on May 19, 2012 11:59:18 GMT -5
1. Since it was formed is irrelevant. What matters is the average that has allowed civilization to flourish which is around 60F. The average for the last century has increased by about 1 F. 2. The best temperature is a stable one that can support civilization without a mass population reduction. It can actually be a little warmer or a little cooler (the biggest threat is the change itself). The scientific consensus for a “safe” temperature increase is 2C which should be about 3.6F. Beyond that, they expect a dramatic effect on society. Of course, this is based on their best projections since civilization has not experienced this much of a global temperature change in order to know with certainty what the effects will be. Here is an example this recent temperature spike had on food supplies. “Warm temperatures caused fruit trees to bloom early and when temperatures plummeted Sunday morning it damaged or wiped out much of the $60-million apple crop and 20 to 30 per cent of Ontario's $48-million tender fruit crop which includes peaches, cherries, pears, plums and nectarines.” www.windsorstar.com/Freeze+100M+disaster+Ontario+fruit+industry/6571075/story.html |
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Post by rolltide on May 19, 2012 12:26:28 GMT -5
why is it irrelevant,if the planet is a couple of hundred million yrs old modern man has been around for 12 or 13 thousand yrs complete global temperature records have been around for about 125 yrs.Scientists have discovered in the geologlic record 16 major climate shifts in each one the raise in temp was followed by an increase in Co2 followed by Global cooling just like now if you go by Satellite data.What evidence is there to prove temperature had anything to do wiyh civilzation flourishing a coincidence is not proof.A scientific consensus does not make a SCIENTIFIC FACT.For hundreds of yrs SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS was the world was FLAT.For thousands of yrs Consensus was the earth was the center of the universe.For hundreds of yrs Consensus was Bleeding someone who was sick was the best treatment.We now know for a SCIENTIFIC FACT these statements are not true. Now why is it that the only way to combat GLOBAL WARMING is to adopt GLOBAL COMMUNISIM!
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Post by slap250 on May 19, 2012 15:11:05 GMT -5
WHO THE FUK CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ktpelec on May 19, 2012 15:21:10 GMT -5
Actually what happened to the climate of this planet before the existence of human life is irrelevant. Bos post dealt with the concerns of the warming of this planets atmosphere in the last hundred years, which is a proven fact supported by data, and the problems it raises concerning the worlds food supply. Human life exists on this planet, and no other that we know of yet, because of a specific set of circumstances, to ignore the changing of these circumstances could doom future generations of human life.
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Post by bo862 on May 20, 2012 0:51:59 GMT -5
Ktpelec is dead on. The primary concern of global warming is not about making us uncomfortable or killing us off because we can’t cope with the heat. It is our food sources that are in danger of being reduced to the point that it will probably cause a sizable reduction in human population.
In the modern scenario of climate change, temperature is lagging CO2. The sun has been stable or declining for the last 35 years and the Milankovitch cycles act much slower than the speed of the current temperature increase. If it is not one of those two or CO2 then what is causing the current global warming?
This video discusses the concept of how CO2 and temperatures affect each other. Your statement that with each shift CO2 followed temperature is inaccurate.
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Post by ktpelec on May 20, 2012 6:28:31 GMT -5
WHO THE FUK CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your children and their children might care...... |
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Post by marcus on May 20, 2012 11:37:38 GMT -5
You will care as everything you buy goes up because of this fake warming crap.Its been hotter and colder in the past.Its always changing and its not because of us
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Post by bo862 on May 20, 2012 13:22:58 GMT -5
You will care as everything you buy goes up because of this fake warming crap.Its been hotter and colder in the past.Its always changing and its not because of us Hold up, is it fake or does it go up and down? And if this fake warming is changing what is causing it? |
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Post by ackspac on May 20, 2012 18:32:52 GMT -5
You will care as everything you buy goes up because of this fake warming crap.Its been hotter and colder in the past.Its always changing and its not because of us Truth. |
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Post by ktpelec on May 20, 2012 18:40:06 GMT -5
If the weather won't let farmers grow the amount of produce they once could we're certainly going to be paying more for it.....
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Post by cal50 on May 20, 2012 22:52:49 GMT -5
George said it best.....
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Post by bulldognuts on May 20, 2012 23:26:54 GMT -5
I saw this a few years ago and think of it every time I hear or see someone talking about saving the planet.
Bo and Ktp please watch this over and over again until it seeps in.
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Post by cal50 on May 21, 2012 1:31:16 GMT -5
I saw this a few years ago and think of it every time I hear or see someone talking about saving the planet. Bo and Ktp please watch this over and over again until it seeps in. Carlin was a hell of a comedian and he is spot on in his bit. I think most liberals were dropped on their heads at birth, if not I have no other explanation for their thought process. |
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Post by ktpelec on May 21, 2012 4:57:12 GMT -5
LOL, George was hilarious, I saw him 4 times over the years.....
But really is that the best data you can come up with?
A 2008 video from a dead comedian......LOL
The science world has confirmed the earths average temperature has gotten warmer since they began recording it. This change has made dramatic changes in food production across the globe. The question remains among many as to why this is happening, is it just natural, or do 7 Billion, and growing, people have something to do with it.....
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Post by marcus on May 21, 2012 8:06:04 GMT -5
Its not the people doing it.The earth heats up and cools all on it s own.Repeat its not the people
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Post by bulldognuts on May 21, 2012 9:36:07 GMT -5
LOL, George was hilarious, I saw him 4 times over the years..... But really is that the best data you can come up with? A 2008 video from a dead comedian......LOL The science world has confirmed the earths average temperature has gotten warmer since they began recording it. This change has made dramatic changes in food production across the globe. The question remains among many as to why this is happening, is it just natural, or do 7 Billion, and growing, people have something to do with it..... ktp you should stop focusing on the data so much and focus on the agenda of warming alarmist,and listen to George, and apply a little common sense. |
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Post by cal50 on May 21, 2012 10:13:33 GMT -5
LOL, George was hilarious, I saw him 4 times over the years..... But really is that the best data you can come up with? A 2008 video from a dead comedian......LOL The science world has confirmed the earths average temperature has gotten warmer since they began recording it. This change has made dramatic changes in food production across the globe. The question remains among many as to why this is happening, is it just natural, or do 7 Billion, and growing, people have something to do with it..... Its NOT data, its an opinion and belief I share. (LOL) The science world can not reliable tell me if it will rain tomorrow. If you want to "believe" these same people on things WAY more complex then good for you. I will hang with George. |
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Post by ktpelec on May 21, 2012 11:13:20 GMT -5
Its not the people doing it.The earth heats up and cools all on it s own.Repeat its not the people Even if the existence if humans on the earth has nothing to do with the average temperature increase the facts still remain that our food supplies have begun to be affected by it. |
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Post by bo862 on May 21, 2012 15:20:05 GMT -5
Its not the people doing it.The earth heats up and cools all on it s own.Repeat its not the people Nothing just happens "all on its own." If you change the chemistry of something it will behave differently – the atmosphere and oceans are no exception. Marcus, please watch the second video to understand how the earth’s orbit can change the chemistry of the planet just by changes in its position. |
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Post by bo862 on May 21, 2012 15:34:16 GMT -5
LOL, George was hilarious, I saw him 4 times over the years..... But really is that the best data you can come up with? A 2008 video from a dead comedian......LOL The science world has confirmed the earths average temperature has gotten warmer since they began recording it. This change has made dramatic changes in food production across the globe. The question remains among many as to why this is happening, is it just natural, or do 7 Billion, and growing, people have something to do with it..... ktp you should stop focusing on the data so much and focus on the agenda of warming alarmist,and listen to George, and apply a little common sense. The “agenda of global warming alarmist” is to prevent the rapid loss of human population. It was from applying common sense alone that led humans to believe the sun went around the earth – not scientific consensus. It took the use of other information to understand that the earth orbits the sun. If you continue to use the same method to make your decisions – common sense alone – you can only expect to have inaccurate understanding of the planet. |
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Post by ackspac on May 21, 2012 18:24:42 GMT -5
I bet the early Egyptians thought the same thing as their oasis turned to dust thousands of years ago.
The earth is never stable, never has been, never will be. The scientists who defend global warming are a bunch of quacks.
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Post by bo862 on May 22, 2012 20:39:41 GMT -5
“The planet isn’t going anywhere, we are. We’re going away. Pack your shit folks…The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance…” Carlin
His claim is that we are bad for the planet but it doesn’t matter because we will go extinct and the planet will continue on. His view is that it is hopeless to put forth effort to be aware of, or prevent/reduce the negative aspects of civilization; therefore we should lighten up and keep smoking crack, pot, drinking, shooting up or whatever else it is that pleases us for the moment, because we are all dead and should not take any action to mitigate our habits that affect nature, which in turn affects us.
What he and others miss with the statement “attempt by humans to control nature. Its arrogant meddling… interfering with nature” is that we have been meddling and interfering with nature for thousands of years. It is this same interference that has allowed us to raise our population to 7 billion by creating canals thousands of years ago to building dams to control the water flow to maintain crops and provide energy today; pesticides to mitigate loss from insects; changing the chemistry makeup of the atmosphere and oceans; species extinction from over-hunting and habitat loss. These may be unintended, but still interference and meddling. It is irresponsible to only consider expanding society and not consider the potential negative effects.
His basic argument is that we should not use our knowledge to help avoid or delay major negative consequences.
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Post by marcus on May 23, 2012 10:33:13 GMT -5
One more time I said we humans are not making it warmer or colder.
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Post by ktpelec on May 23, 2012 10:54:37 GMT -5
No offense Marcus, but what kind of scientific degree do you have to back up this claim? Let's see, should I believe an average middle class auto worker, or thousands of qualified scientists across the globe with years of experience in the field of study..
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Post by marcus on May 23, 2012 16:59:05 GMT -5
1000s of scientists agree with me.
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Post by ktpelec on May 23, 2012 17:32:20 GMT -5
The science world (not Internet based) is overwhelmingly supported that it is man-made.
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Post by cal50 on May 23, 2012 18:54:22 GMT -5
The science world (not Internet based) is overwhelmingly supported that it is man-made. .......and the science world thought the world was flat at one time also. So much for the science popularity contest and accuracy every time. |
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Post by ackspac on May 23, 2012 20:47:26 GMT -5
No offense Marcus, but what kind of scientific degree do you have to back up this claim? Let's see, should I believe an average middle class auto worker, or thousands of qualified scientists across the globe with years of experience in the field of study.. Its only a hand full of scientists that back this theory. |
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