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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 13:49:15 GMT -5
So Obama has forced employers to cut American jobs, shipping them overseas, cut wages and benefits, and work longer hours, all while earning record profits? Hell, if he's responsible for that then Republicans would be voting for him... Those very things are the corporate worlds very goals and have been for decades.... Obama and his administration passed along higher costs to all businesses , employers and employees. That uncertainty kills hiring employees and does not / did not help the economy. You do not "get it" that when something costs a business more out of pocket money they pass those costs along to customer OR cut the employee wages / benefits / jobs. Face it, if Obama and his administration was actually doing a 1/2 way decent job his supporters would be a shoe in running for re-election. Instead the majority of democrats avoid him like Ebola yet most fully support Obama and his policies that are not working after a half decade + a year. The public sees the failure and its the reason some democrats will be out of a job in November. Its sad some people are too blind or stupid to acknowledge failure and make a change. Insanity : Doing the same action repeatedly but expecting a different outcome Democrat & republican party line voters are insane. Also add in simple math: The Liberals want minimum wage to increase up to $15 per hour. You own and run a small business with part time help. Now you are forced to pay your employees almost double per hour. How are you going to survive when you were barely making it out of the red before? Plus the fact that this will force more places to relocate to other countries and will force shut downs of fast food chains and lots of other satellite corps. This is the Democratic way of running things. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Oct 25, 2014 13:56:15 GMT -5
Maybe that's what they're after  Close McDonalds and that way you can't order all that bad food or soda that's killing the world..lolJust another liberal control tactic.Minimum wage isn't meant to feed or support a family !! it's for a high school senior who wants a car and gas money to take his girl on a date..But if they raise the wage HE can say "look at all the better paying jobs IVE created"Get a life already!! |
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Post by tiger66 on Oct 25, 2014 14:11:01 GMT -5
Cheap electricity is good for everyone. Coal=cheap electricity. Nobody should let anyone tell them how to vote whether is be your church, family, company, spouse or union. Make up your own mind!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 15:17:01 GMT -5
Cheap electricity is good for everyone. Coal=cheap electricity. Nobody should let anyone tell them how to vote whether is be your church, family, company, spouse or union. Make up your own mind! Bingo! This is problem #26 with the UAW. They wont take care of us by getting the contract we need or fixing issues in plant, but they sure as fuck want to scare you into voting for a POS democrat and waste our dues on propaganda to hand out in plant. I don't trust any politician and I don't trust any UAW leader. |
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 25, 2014 17:54:13 GMT -5
Please be specific.. what higher costs have been passéd along to businesses? That is simply not true.
Just look at the DOW, Nasdaq, and S&P... they are all at all time record highs, way beyond the point when Obama took office. Corporations all across America have cut employees, cut wages and benefits and are making RECORD PROFITS. I don't know how or why you refuse to acknowledge this fact.
As I posted earlier.. Natural gas is much cheaper than coal now, and will continue to be. It's sad for the coal industry, but it's not Obamas fault.
You are still obsessing about Obama... He's not in this election!
Back to the original post.....
As a union auto worker what has Mitch done for you to deserve your vote?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 19:42:56 GMT -5
I don't like McConnell but I don't want Grimes to poison our water.
Ok, your like a parrot, yes natural gas is cheaper than coal, but so is public transportation vs building roads, bridges, etc and I guess you would vote for a politician who pushes getting rid of privately owned vehicles and pushes the public transportation sector?
You know as well as I do that a coal miner has to be fully stupid to vote for Grimes and destroy his/her future.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 25, 2014 20:14:00 GMT -5
"Poison our water". What does that mean exactly? How could she be any worse for the American Union worker than McConnell?
Natural gas is cheaper than coal, and that's exactly why the coal industry is down... That's plain and simple right? I have no idea what you meant about public transportation...
Yet somehow you seem to be able to look into the future and see how Grimes will vote on some possible future legislation concerning coal, even though she has plainly stated many times that she will support Kentuckys coal industry.
You know as well as I do that a union auto worker has to be stupid to vote for McConnell, a man who can and will destroy their future.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:37:42 GMT -5
"Poison our water". What does that mean exactly? How could she be any worse for the American Union worker than McConnell?
Natural gas is cheaper than coal, and that's exactly why the coal industry is down... That's plain and simple right? I have no idea what you meant about public transportation... Yet somehow you seem to be able to look into the future and see how Grimes will vote on some possible future legislation concerning coal, even though she has plainly stated many times that she will support Kentuckys coal industry. You know as well as I do that a union auto worker has to be stupid to vote for McConnell, a man who can and will destroy their future. The union worker has been fucked by its leadership and politicians for a long while now. Grimes and her family have all been busted for lying. Her father should of been in Federal Prison for 10 years but yet the democratic party still use his company. Even her supporters in the videos, posted on page one , admit she is lying her ass off. Mitch may be a turd but we don't need an obama puppet in office. Grimes would shut down Eastern Kentuckys coal mines by backing obamas EPA standards that would even hurt the auto industry. You yet to back up your side of the story. |
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Post by justaworker on Oct 25, 2014 22:17:03 GMT -5
"Poison our water". What does that mean exactly? How could she be any worse for the American Union worker than McConnell? Natural gas is cheaper than coal, and that's exactly why the coal industry is down... That's plain and simple right? I have no idea what you meant about public transportation... Yet somehow you seem to be able to look into the future and see how Grimes will vote on some possible future legislation concerning coal, even though she has plainly stated many times that she will support Kentuckys coal industry. You know as well as I do that a union auto worker has to be stupid to vote for McConnell, a man who can and will destroy their future. I think anybody that works for a living would have to be stupid to continue to vote for failed liberal policies. But you go ahead. |
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Post by cal50 on Oct 26, 2014 0:18:30 GMT -5
Please be specific.. what higher costs have been passéd along to businesses? That is simply not true. Just look at the DOW, Nasdaq, and S&P... they are all at all time record highs, way beyond the point when Obama took office. Corporations all across America have cut employees, cut wages and benefits and are making RECORD PROFITS. I don't know how or why you refuse to acknowledge this fact. As I posted earlier.. Natural gas is much cheaper than coal now, and will continue to be. It's sad for the coal industry, but it's not Obamas fault. You are still obsessing about Obama... He's not in this election! Back to the original post..... As a union auto worker what has Mitch done for you to deserve your vote? What higher costs to business ? You must live under a rock. This is no help to coal or autoworkers.... linkThe real bullet~ linkNot good for jobs~ linkThe dems love to loath Wall Street and the UAW supports the "occupy Wall St." BS as a symbol of evil and greed yet yourself an admitted democrat supporter / sympathizer are citing Wall St. as a success of the current administration ? Too funny and you cant have it both ways. Companies have been more profitable by cutting and exporting work and jobs as a result of government involvement ( Obama ) thru new added regulation and taxes. The government is still pumping a ton of money into the bond market trying to prop it up. When they stop printing money and buying paper watch a sharp drop. Obsessing over Obama? Not hardly but he is the one driving things for the past six years and another two so expect to hear his name mentioned when something he handles or should of handled turns to crap, again. As to why should someone vote for Mitch? Simple, he does not support Obama or his policies. When Obama was elected the Dems controlled all branches of government and could have passed ANYTHING they desired but never managed to get anything done except Obamacare. Why ? Because of democrats infighting among themselves. Once the public watched the saw how inept Obama and his cabinet really was a record number of seats were lost (56 total) in the House of Representatives because of Obama. Obamacare was forced thru 100% by dems that never read the bill voted on. Simply put, a price was and is being paid for it at election time. Will that happen in the congress? If it does my hats off to Mr. Obama for helping republicans more than anything they could have done themselves. |
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 26, 2014 7:30:20 GMT -5
Political commercials and bias Internet pages? I could link to dozens that would refute every one that you've posted.
You don't seem to remember 07-08'. During the worst economic crisis in the US since the 1930s... That's when companies laid off workers, cut wages and benefits, forced foreclosures, the banking bailout, stock market crash, etc... . It seems you've somehow tied that to Obama. Yet it all happened with McConnell at the helm of the Republican Party.
You don't have to look any farther than Ford to see this, they closed factories, she'd tens of thousands of workers, cut wages and benefits, and are making record profits because of it.
Tell me, as a union autoworker what has McConnell done to deserve your vote?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 9:00:25 GMT -5
LMAO!
Just reread the whole thread ktpelec.
We have more lower paying jobs and less jobs under hussein obama then at any other time in history.
I cant wait till 2018 when we are all forced into this socialist healthcare to see how much you love the liberal party then.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 26, 2014 9:09:28 GMT -5
How is this Obamas fault? What could he have done to avoid those? You seem to fault him for the actions of the corporate world. As I stated before, if he is responsible for this then Republicans would be voting for him.
Low paying jobs are what the "Job Creators" gave Americans, in exchange for low tax rates on wealthy investors.
Wall Strret controls every price of every commodity in the American publics life. Wealthy investors across the globe have made enormous fortunes on the American stock market, all due to cuts in labor costs
This is "Corporate Greed" at its highest point, all thanks to the Republican Party...
Still no answers to why a union autoworker should vote for McConnell?
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Post by justaworker on Oct 26, 2014 9:38:57 GMT -5
Ktp elect, part of it is super simple. You can have the 3rd most powerful man in Washington representing your state...... Or, a freshman senator that's going to vote along party lines with Obama and Reid.
One last thing. You seem like the type of person that believes all the union propaganda that they hand out. I would advise you to open your eyes, see the world from a different angle. There is no Republican boogie man that's out to get you.
Best wishes, be well brother.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Oct 26, 2014 9:59:17 GMT -5
Regardless of who leads our country ,town or city ..We haven't got nothing but screwed for the last 8 yrs..Correct?And who does our union back??? the mfers in office now ..So how has any Democrat helped the UAW?Dont get it ..
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Post by tiger66 on Oct 26, 2014 10:02:30 GMT -5
The senate majority leader has all the power. All bills go thru him/her before they are voted. most senators will give him what he wants just to get their bills heard. Lots of benefits for his home state.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 26, 2014 10:04:51 GMT -5
It is super simple, you have the third most powerful man in Washington that has a long history of voting against legislation that would help the American working class. Especially the unionized American workers.
He has had many decades to change things yet ky still ranks near the bottom in education and near the top in poverty. All he has changed is that he is now rich.
Ky had no problem voting in a freshman senator in the last election, an ex-eye doctor with no political experience....
I can't tell the future on how a candidate will vote on future legislation, but I'm willing to take a chance, and vote out a man who has not voted to help me and my family economically.
I am a registered Independant, I never vote along party lines. I look at factual information, not political ads with catchy slogans.
You seem like the type of person that believes all of the Republicanarty propaganda, even though economic facts are presented to you.
Open your eyes, look at the world from a different angle... The Republican party is not the union autoworkers friend.
Please everyone get out and vote, no matter who you vote for. Don't disregard this American responsibility.
Peace., Union brothers and sisters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 10:33:14 GMT -5
It is super simple, you have the third most powerful man in Washington that has a long history of voting against legislation that would help the American working class. Especially the unionized American workers. He has had many decades to change things yet ky still ranks near the bottom in education and near the top in poverty. All he has changed is that he is now rich. Ky had no problem voting in a freshman senator in the last election, an ex-eye doctor with no political experience.... I can't tell the future on how a candidate will vote on future legislation, but I'm willing to take a chance, and vote out a man who has not voted to help me and my family economically. I am a registered Independant, I never vote along party lines. I look at factual information, not political ads with catchy slogans. You seem like the type of person that believes all of the Republicanarty propaganda, even though economic facts are presented to you. Open your eyes, look at the world from a different angle... The Republican party is not the union autoworkers friend. Please everyone get out and vote, no matter who you vote for. Don't disregard this American responsibility. Peace., Union brothers and sisters. You had no problem voting for a rookie senator that was a "Community Activist" with a checkered past, did you? Republicans and Demacraps both suck. Grimes is the worst choice IMHO, but hey, its a free country, vote for who you like, not who the union tells you to. If that's the case then the spilled blood of millions of our soldiers over the years was a waste. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Oct 26, 2014 11:00:17 GMT -5
I just find it funny that there is just as many Rep. Union workers as there are Dems.But no one recognizes this.I think actually there's MORE conservatives that work here than liberals..Unless of course you're in our union and being takin care of!
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Post by tiger66 on Oct 26, 2014 11:13:41 GMT -5
Kind of nice to be able to talk politics without everybody cursing you out or telling you to just quit!!
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Post by justaworker on Oct 26, 2014 18:51:07 GMT -5
Only thing we can be sure of..... The same people that told you to vote for Obama... Are the same people telling you to vote for Grimes.
And for the same reasons..... The older republican candidate is the big bad boogie man that only cares about big business.
Hope and change people.... Hope and change.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 26, 2014 20:49:24 GMT -5
One other thing we can be sure of... The same people that have been telling you to vote for McConnel... Are the same people that shipped American jobs overseas, cut wages and benefits, implemented a 2 tier wage system, etc... All while raising prices and making record profits. These are real things that have happened to the American worker the last few decades, all the facts and proof are there, we lived it. Just keep voting for the same guy, wondering why there isn't any change.... ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 21:39:57 GMT -5
Bill Clinton is responsible for sending the most jobs over seas. Just go ask the people that worked at Osh Kosh, Fruit of The Loom, Kodak (All Ky based Companies) and a few other I forget the names of during the mid 90's.
He put the pen to the paper on the FINALIZED version of NAFTA, in case you forgot.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Oct 27, 2014 1:06:20 GMT -5
I've had years of listening to liberals and occasionally facing off with them (I'm basically libertarian) .... And it's a total waste of time in terms of trying to persuade them of anything. The only purpose of arguing with them is to expose their nonsense to any intelligent observers who may be present. But nothing you or I can say will get through to the liberals. I've never seen it happen.
Overall, they are emotionally conditioned to accept/reject various ideas and then basically go into denial/evasion mode so they won't have to realistically deal with anyone who threatens their beliefs. This is, of course, true of some conservatives as well. But the levels of childishness I've seen too many otherwise intelligent educated liberals exhibit is depressing.
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Post by justaworker on Oct 27, 2014 7:14:13 GMT -5
One other thing we can be sure of... The same people that have been telling you to vote for McConnel... Are the same people that shipped American jobs overseas, cut wages and benefits, implemented a 2 tier wage system, etc... All while raising prices and making record profits. These are real things that have happened to the American worker the last few decades, all the facts and proof are there, we lived it. Just keep voting for the same guy, wondering why there isn't any change.... ? The uaw cut my wages and benefits. And instituted the 2 tier wage system. |
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 27, 2014 7:37:21 GMT -5
Hello Scott, how have you been? I hope you and your family are doing well. I knew you'd show up eventually.
NAFTA is a whole different Topic, but if you research it was aggressively pushed by corporations in the US, who gained greatly by it, and Clinton had to deal with it as the Republicans held the congressional majority then. To say we lost the "most" jobs due to that is wrong, the U.S. lost the steel industry in the 1970s, the textile industry went offshore just after that also, all unionized workers who's jobs were lost. US manufacturing jobs have been lost to overseas labor steadily for several decades, and the corporations that profited from that are to blame.
Ford and many other corporations across the U.S. cut wages and benefits, and instituted the 2 tier wage system, it's used throughout the manufacturing sector, it was not the UAWs idea, it was forced upon us members during the worst economic depression in the US since the 1930s.
If you'd like to believe that none of that happened I understand. See Scott's post regarding childishness...
Call me names, paint me as a "Liberal" etc... what ever you need to do to justify your views it's okay. "Sticks and stones"
I've asked several times here and am still waiting for an answer, as a union autoworker what has McConnell done to deserve your vote?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 8:03:14 GMT -5
So it wasn't the obama administration that shut down a huge sector of NASA (eliminating 2,000+ jobs) and is getting ready to cut about 5,000+ jobs in Fort Knox and even more through our military making it the weakest it has ever been since pre WWII? NASA, as far as I know was all union workers.
Ktpelec, please wake up and come out of your denial.
Great post Polarbear! I knew your post would be a punch in the gut.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 8:11:09 GMT -5
What could McConnell of done for the union worker? Denied our tax exempt status during retooling?
What do you want him to do? What did Wendell Ford, Walter Huddelston, do for the union worker in their time in office?
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Post by cal50 on Oct 27, 2014 8:49:49 GMT -5
I've asked several times here and am still waiting for an answer, as a union autoworker what has McConnell done to deserve your vote? Anyone that opposes Obama's policies gets my vote. Anyone that supports them , democrat or republican should be out of a job. Just like the millions out of a job from those policies. For someone to vote for Grimes you would have to be pleased with the current state of affairs currently after 6 years of Obama and his administration. She is a party line supporter of Obama and its pretty clear she is a liar on what she says publicly Vs the people that know her and what she plans on doing. She could not answer the simple question on who she voted for. That's as simple as it gets and a person that cant handle the easy stuff does not do better with more challenging tasks. Obama and his policies have hurt, not helped our economy & nation. Most of the public knows this and its the reason Obama stays far away from most campaign spots. |
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Post by justaworker on Oct 27, 2014 13:08:21 GMT -5
Grimes was quick to point out that she's a Clinton Democrat, not an Obama Democrat. She may have thought people thought there a difference. But, while in the Senate Hillary and Obama voted the same way 92% of the time.
Liberals, they're all the same.
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Close McDonalds and that way you can't order all that bad food or soda that's killing the world..lolJust another liberal control tactic.Minimum wage isn't meant to feed or support a family !! it's for a high school senior who wants a car and gas money to take his girl on a date..But if they raise the wage HE can say "look at all the better paying jobs IVE created"Get a life already!!
