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Post by tryingtomakeit on May 13, 2015 12:14:50 GMT -5
No,no,no, you are all wrong. KTP will be getting the military truck Dickie Sutton promised all those years ago. And LAP will close down and move to E-town, they've already poured the concrete. Well, they had poured it 20 years ago when I hired in, at least that's what the old timers told me then.
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Post by blackbird66 on May 13, 2015 12:32:54 GMT -5
I agree ,but ..We have the F series truck...Maybe 4 of those Co.s listed make trucks.Its time to stand up to these assholes and get what we deserve..The 2 tier thing is horrible .But it's like every other thing we voted on and passed ,it's not going anywhere .And we won't get crap back unless this place sits idle for a couple months.. Unlike cars there is a protection tariff on trucks. That's why the have not tried to compete, for the most part, against trucks, and why the "big three" have been able to fleece the buying public for so long with the excessive profit margins provided by trucks.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 23:15:09 GMT -5
Ford Motor Company has got you right where they want you. The UAW is a sick man on his death bed. But if you want to look for someone to blame for that, look in the mirror. 40 years ago the UAW was still a strong, vibrant union that was capable of making serious gains at the bargaining table with FoMoCo. But that was because the rank and file - our fathers and grandfathers - had balls. Today the UAW is a toothless kitten satisfied to partner with the company. And why? Because 21st century rank and file are frightened kittens who do not dare to demand more from either the union or the company. They are just happy to have a job and tremble at the thought that it will be taken away from them if they ask for more. 40 years ago you had 5 manufacturers of autos in the U.S.! Today, you have 14 manufacturers with plants in the U.S. that compete for the same market: 1-Ford 2-Chrysler 3-GM 4-Toyota 5-Honda 6-Volkswagon 7-Nissan 8-Hyundai-Kia 9-BMW 10-Mercedes-Benz 11-Mitsubishi 12-Mazda 13-Subaru 14-Tesla Please let me know if I missed any others. This list does not include those products imported only like Fiat, etc. Competition has drove down wages, sales, market share, UAW membership, and bargaining power. How many on the list are Union Companies? We are in the minority. What is Fords market share today compared to 40 years ago? Google is your friend. I want all to research those numbers for yourself. The power of the UAW will continue to slide now that the IUAW made the Locals compete against each other since the last contract. Now, there is a race to give back to solidify products in the future. Forced by the IUAW! So, my argument to you is that the 21st century rank and file are not frightened kittens as you say. They are just victims of relentless competition in a global marketplace that never was thought of 40 years ago. Competition will continue to erode wages and benefits for those that work in the industry unless the list is unionized. (Which will never happen) We can only hope to find a way to stand united by getting rid of two-tier. Otherwise, erosion will happen at a faster pace in the future. Excellent post Tonyv!!!!
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Post by fedupfred on May 13, 2015 23:50:34 GMT -5
Wake up and smell the coffee ladies and gents cause it's all over but the crying. Some of you are in for a big big shock come contract time. I hear people talking... Man Ford is making big profits we will get some things back this time..... WRONGO. Between our " bargaining " committee preaching " they will move our product " and the unions hero Mr. Obummer and his new trade pact , we are rightfully and truly screwed. Look around right now this is the best it's ever gonna be. Write it down.
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Post by remember1976 on May 14, 2015 4:59:34 GMT -5
Stand United?
Half the membership are anti-Union Republicans. Your bargaining committee lies to you (most recently about chassis cab production going to Ohio),. And you believe the UAW will NEVER be able to unionize any other auto company.
Meow.
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Post by TonyV on May 14, 2015 9:45:14 GMT -5
I said unless the LIST is unionized. That means ALL of them. I did not say "any" of them. (Although that is their track record to date with the exception of VW- which asked for unionization. They are only partially union to date.) 10's of millions spent of your strike fund and another 25 million taken out to unionize with no results! Other than raising our dues to replenish it.....
Before you type 'meow' learn to understand what you are reading.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 11:53:42 GMT -5
I said unless the LIST is unionized. That means ALL of them. I did not say "any" of them. (Although that is their track record to date with the exception of VW- which asked for unionization. They are only partially union to date.) 10's of millions spent of your strike fund and another 25 million taken out to unionize with no results! Other than raising our dues to replenish it..... Before you type 'meow' learn to understand what you are reading. If there were a law that required companies that import big ticket items like cars, trucks, equipment etc. to pay wages and benefits in line with the market where the products are sold some of the jobs we have lost would come back. That or "free trade" would work more like it's supposed to. It's not gonna happen though. As far as dems vs reps. Neither are for us. We are too rich for the dems, not rich enuf for the reps. We are truly "effed" I believe
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Post by pmooret on May 14, 2015 14:23:44 GMT -5
Wake up and smell the coffee ladies and gents cause it's all over but the crying. Some of you are in for a big big shock come contract time. I hear people talking... Man Ford is making big profits we will get some things back this time..... WRONGO. Between our " bargaining " committee preaching " they will move our product " and the unions hero Mr. Obummer and his new trade pact , we are rightfully and truly screwed. Look around right now this is the best it's ever gonna be. Write it down. You are right, Ford will not give us back some of the things we lost even though they are making big profits. But that's the first round. When you go out to buy furniture or buy something that was advertised "For Sale by Owner" do you automatically pay the price that was advertised or do you HAGGLE, BARTER, BARGAIN, until you get what you want? Why would you vote yes on a contract that you don't like, one that doesn't benefit you? Everyone wants to label the union as a bunch of Eunuchs when actually they are just the middle men. We are the union, not them. Just because they come to an agreement doesn't mean that we have to take it by voting yes. Everyone seems to forget that we can vote NO. Send them back to the table and take some time off for yourself. If we vote yes for anything less that what we lost then we are the EUNUCHS, not them. Folks, prepare for battle. Save your money so you don't have to just lay there and take it like an old whore. Most of all, when it comes to contract time pretend that you are voting on a contract that you found on Craig's List, if you don't like it, HAGGLE, BARTER AND BARGAIN until you get to where you want to be.
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Post by pmooret on May 14, 2015 14:37:34 GMT -5
Why would the company offer us a good contract the first time around when our track record clearly shows that we always vote yes on what they send us. All they have to do is read the racing form and place their bet.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 14:50:34 GMT -5
Why would the company offer us a good contract the first time around when our track record clearly shows that we always vote yes on what they send us. All they have to do is read the racing form and place their bet. Good post. I've been thru two strikes in the uaw ( not at ford ) I've never ever voted yes on a contract in any of the 3 unions I've worked for. If we vote a contract down, the union will come back with something else or just do some "selling" on the shop floor and vote again. Really though, we aren't going to get anything. Do any of you know of a job that's better than, or even as good as ours ? The best days of the American worker are behind us. Our contract won't change that. A total "overhaul" ( to avoid a different term) of our gov't could do it, but most people are too fat and happy on food stamps, hustling a lil sumthin sumthin on the side and playin xbox to ever do anything hard . Much less something dangerous. So here we are......... The huddled masses.
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Post by lap65 on May 14, 2015 17:11:16 GMT -5
pmooret that I think was the best post I've ever read on this site. Bravo! I only pray 1. Enough have the nerve to vote no. 2. The counting isn't rigged
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Post by remember1976 on May 14, 2015 17:26:10 GMT -5
Oh, I understood what you wrote. I simply do not agree with you.
Why would any other auto company's rank and file accept the UAW seeing that the UAW has done nothing but give away for 3 decades and counting?
Just keep voting to ratify crap contracts and take the signing bonuses. Continue worrying about losing your product 24/7. Keep the fear ratcheted up. Keep voting Republican. Keep re-electing union representatives who cut deals with management and lie to you.
Meow.
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 14, 2015 18:43:32 GMT -5
We vote your correct but they (UAW) always return from the talks saying (we) think it's a good contract...How about let us make that decision..Some people are dumb enough to think well out reps like it so I'm voting yes ? Really?
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Post by fedupfred on May 14, 2015 19:01:29 GMT -5
IF ? The counting isn't rigged? Do you actually think this local wouldn't resort to rigging the count. Joseph Stalin once said " it doesn't matter who casts the votes only who counts the votes". They are lining their own pockets making three times what a line worker makes. If you think they are gonna jeopardize that you just don't understand human nature.
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Post by bobio3 on May 14, 2015 19:02:58 GMT -5
We need for the Union to move the voting out of the plant and back where it was. Of course they stated it was for our benafit, so we could vote before we left work. Lol. REALLY FORD allowed you to move it in here because, Frd and the union knows the only person who usually votes are the people who are pissed, happy voters don't vote. That's why they moved it inside the plant because they knew it might get voted down. Which means the union was on fords side. Our benafits ass. We need to make them move it back to union hall.
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