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Post by dozerman on Sept 1, 2015 11:10:56 GMT -5
well you can trust the iuaw and the main stream media with your future health care if you want , however with there past track record no way would I trust them . yall go ahead and let them take it over if your ok with one day paying monthly premiums with less coverage and higher copays. I am just saying if the veba is so great than why do the retired men and women complain about it so much. because it sucks compared to what they had under ford. yeah your right 1976 , I don't believe everything I read in the main stream like you do. I base my votes on past track records and history.
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Post by ccrewdummie on Sept 1, 2015 18:07:47 GMT -5
I would love to see some of the retirees chime in on this
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 19:47:05 GMT -5
All of the retirees I know from this plant absolutely hate their medical benefits they have now. All are over age 65.
IUAW and Ford work hand in hand on screwing us. The IUAW is only worried about their survival and could pump purple piss on our graves. Why else is their 2nd tier?
Remember1976, from your comments I can gather you are an elected/appointed 862 member or a yes man for the union. Maybe you paid the bail for our BC's DUI?
Pretty sad the "Main Stream" media hasn't even gotten a whiff of a fart out of the contract talks. So much for a conspiracy.
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Post by remember1976 on Sept 2, 2015 3:54:27 GMT -5
Remember1976, from your comments I can gather you are an elected/appointed 862 member or a yes man for the union. Dear God in Heaven. Psychotic. |
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Post by remember1976 on Sept 2, 2015 4:00:05 GMT -5
All of the retirees I know from this plant absolutely hate their medical benefits they have now. All are over age 65. IF the retirees you know are over the age of 65, as you claim, then they are all on Medicare (the 1st payer) with the VEBA benefits as a supplement (the 2nd payer). The only UAW retirees who are completely dependent on VEBA are those who opted for early retirement and who are UNDER age 65. Did you know that? I suppose ya'll hate Medicare as well. The next thing you'll be hating on will be Social Security. That is, if you swallow the right-wingnut lying claptrap that they are both unsalvageable. |
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Post by remember1976 on Sept 2, 2015 4:01:27 GMT -5
I would love to see some of the retirees chime in on this No self-respecting retiree would post to this insane board. |
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Post by remember1976 on Sept 2, 2015 6:10:02 GMT -5
By the way, I travel through this life by doing my best to deal with the facts....
Unlike so many on this board who dismiss any facts challenging their political ideology by vilifying the news media and creating their own deluded versions of reality.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 2, 2015 9:11:52 GMT -5
I'm not in this one.lol.But do have a question,how come we hear that social security COULD RUN OUT but we never hear WELFARE COULD RUN OUT???Thats shitty to me..Retirees and seniors get shit on in today's society..
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Post by ccrewdummie on Sept 2, 2015 9:33:28 GMT -5
ccrewdummie said:I would love to see some of the retirees chime in on this
Remember1976 said:No self-respecting retiree would post to this insane board.
crew dummies said: obviously you hold no merit then because your posting on this insane board. However, I'm leaning towards you being in the group of people who may have a vested part in this Veba. Your trying INSANLY hard to push your view on this old wise one
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Post by remember1976 on Sept 2, 2015 12:30:49 GMT -5
However, I'm leaning towards you being in the group of people who may have a vested part in this Veba. Your trying INSANLY hard to push your view on this old wise one"Vested" in what way? I'm merely a rank-and-file, active, hourly Ford employee who has been around a while... I took part in the IUAW strike against Ford Motor company in 1976. That was 39 years ago and lasted 6 weeks... the longest strike against Ford Motor Company in history. And the last. I will be retiring one day in the near future and so I certainly have a keen interest in the health care benefits issue with regard to both the active employees and the retirees. As for my view... my view is that the majority of people posting their opinion on this board are wildly anti-union and mistaken with regard to facts. That is with regard to most every issue addressed on this board and not just the health care issue. I don't think I need to defend my bonafides being that I am probably the ONLY participant in this discussion who has actually manned a UAW picket line during a strike against Ford. To my knowledge no one currently holding office in UAW 862 can make the same claim. Everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but no one is entitled to make up his own facts. And claiming a conspiracy between the auto makers, the IUAW, and the American news media is paranoid nonsense. |
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Post by cal50 on Sept 2, 2015 13:07:00 GMT -5
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/09/01/auto-s01.htmlQuote: "According to the 2015 book “Inside the Ford-UAW Transformation,” co-written by UAW official Dan Brooks, Ford officer Martin Mulloy, and Joel Cutcher-Gershenfeld, “None of the other auto companies have been as comprehensive or as successful in moving to more flexible and competitive work practices.” How does the company do it? According to the authors, “Ford does it on a joint basis with the UAW.” If autoworkers want to examine the pro-company character of the UAW and its incestuous relationship with Ford, they will find numerous examples straight from the mouths of union bureaucrats and company agents in the pages of this book, which, according to its authors, tracks “the transformation of the UAW into a modern business partner.”"
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Post by remember1976 on Sept 2, 2015 14:16:31 GMT -5
“None of the other auto companies have been as comprehensive or as successful in moving to more flexible and competitive work practices.” How does the company do it? According to the authors, “Ford does it on a joint basis with the UAW.” Correct. And that is a GOOD thing, right? Much better than non-cooperation resulting in inflexibility and uncompetitiveness. Yes? We all want Ford to be successful. Yes? Well... I can't tell for sure if you are quoting the article published on the World Socialist Website approvingly or not. It seems you might be. Certainly the World Socialist Website does not think this is a good thing. Of course they do not. They are Communists of the Fourth International... Trotskyites. The World Socialist Website is their propaganda organ. Their aim is to undermine both Capitalism and independent Trade Unions. Their goal is the dissolution of all current unions (Like the UAW and the AFL-CIO) to be replaced by a new version of Industrial Workers of the World (IWW). Their stated goal is to create ONE BIG INTERNATIONAL UNION controlled by the Trotskyite Communist agenda. That has been their goal since day one. So any cooperation between workers and bourgeois capitalism is actively discouraged. Certainly that is not something anyone here advocates, is it? Or maybe it is. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 2, 2015 14:31:54 GMT -5
39yrs my god that answers all my questions...
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Post by remember1976 on Sept 2, 2015 14:35:46 GMT -5
And may God bless you and protect you from personal economic calamities such as divorce, family illnesses, second and third families, children's college tuition, and so forth. If you are extremely fortunate you may be able to retire after 30 years of service at 48 years of age. But don't piss on those of whose circumstances you have no clue.  |
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Post by justaworker on Sept 2, 2015 17:00:21 GMT -5
I hate social security, Simply because I can do basic math.
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Post by indyonce93 on Sept 2, 2015 18:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by truthbearer2014 on Sept 2, 2015 19:20:42 GMT -5
You are RIGHT Amateur!!!!!! I have a friend who retired from Ford, he said his benefits have went downhill with higher co-pays,less coverage, only a few doctors to go too, so many changes it is hard to list them all. His wife just had to have cataracts removed from both eyes, he had to have $300.00 up front for one eye. This is since UAW took over. Vote no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 3, 2015 5:54:40 GMT -5
I'm not pissing on anyone.Just can't see working past 30,unless you were hired in at 18?Ive heard many old timers say they couldn't afford it then their buddy tells me that this place is their life and they'd miss it..God be with you if that's the case!Other than that I could care less..Have a good one.
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Post by blackbird66 on Sept 3, 2015 10:16:30 GMT -5
I'm not pissing on anyone.Just can't see working past 30,unless you were hired in at 18?Ive heard many old timers say they couldn't afford it then their buddy tells me that this place is their life and they'd miss it..God be with you if that's the case!Other than that I could care less..Have a good one. I'll be 52 when I get my 30. As long as our current pension is still there I plan on leaving. Even if I can't afford to( I'll still have kids in high school at that point). I figure I can make up the difference, if not doing something I enjoy, doing something where I've at least got AC!!  |
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Post by lap65 on Sept 3, 2015 18:38:59 GMT -5
My father retired from LAP, his health insurance is not nearly as good as ours.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 6:42:32 GMT -5
I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF THE UAW TAKING CONTROL OF THE ACTIVIES INSURANCE ! WATCH FOR A MONTHLY PREMIUM, ITS COMING FOLKS
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 6:47:06 GMT -5
All of the retirees I know from this plant absolutely hate their medical benefits they have now. All are over age 65. IUAW and Ford work hand in hand on screwing us. The IUAW is only worried about their survival and could pump purple piss on our graves. Why else is their 2nd tier? Remember1976, from your comments I can gather you are an elected/appointed 862 member or a yes man for the union. Maybe you paid the bail for our BC's DUI? Pretty sad the "Main Stream" media hasn't even gotten a whiff of a fart out of the contract talks. So much for a conspiracy. That's not true I know several who are very happy. That's not a true statement "ALL RETIREES FROM THIS PLANT KTP" ! |
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Post by Bcrew4life on Sept 16, 2015 7:19:09 GMT -5
I know of "many" retirees from LAP that a very unhappy. And that's a fact!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 16:41:31 GMT -5
All of the retirees I know from this plant absolutely hate their medical benefits they have now. All are over age 65. IUAW and Ford work hand in hand on screwing us. The IUAW is only worried about their survival and could pump purple piss on our graves. Why else is their 2nd tier? Remember1976, from your comments I can gather you are an elected/appointed 862 member or a yes man for the union. Maybe you paid the bail for our BC's DUI? Pretty sad the "Main Stream" media hasn't even gotten a whiff of a fart out of the contract talks. So much for a conspiracy. That's not true I know several who are very happy. That's not a true statement "ALL RETIREES FROM THIS PLANT KTP" ! Hmmm, I guess most of our vendors employees in the plant (who are retirees from LAP and KTP) are working by choice. I don't think so. Most are working after the market collapsed and the tesphe hit rock bottom. You need at least $400 K in your tesphe to retire and make what you are making right now. I'd say less than 20% of all of us will have that when our retirement rolls around. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 17, 2015 8:26:51 GMT -5
I dont need 400k..We can make it on full retirement..that's just me though..What is it like 3100..Just guessing so don't scold me if I'm wrong ..lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 9:31:07 GMT -5
I think its $3150 0r $3170 minus a few small things Mr. Metal ! People need to plan for there retirement. Most seem to live over there means until the last few years. Just my 2 cents, that's all....
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Post by truthbearer2014 on Sept 17, 2015 13:29:13 GMT -5
I know two retired from LAP and a few from KTP the last time around. I was told by all of them they were getting $3500.00 a month, but like I said before they feel they got screwed on insurance.
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Post by bjmza on Sept 17, 2015 18:07:19 GMT -5
The only UAW retirees who are completely dependent on VEBA are those who opted for early retirement and who are UNDER age 65. What about the retirees that started at Ford at 20 and retired after 35 years at the age of 65. My father-in-law is one in that group. He didn't opt to retire early and has the VEBA insurance and not Medicare and he hates it. |
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