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Post by legacywannabe on Sept 25, 2015 19:59:31 GMT -5
Why is the IUAW coming to LAP? Trying to get in touch with membership and sell us a terrible contract? One appointed rep said he will be going around answering questions with international. This is a waste of our time. They will tell us lies and raises aren't going to help if we vote in the co-op healtcare.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 20:09:40 GMT -5
If I see any IUAW stuffed shirts, believe me, I'am not holding back. Fuck them and fuck any more concessions and not getting anything back. I want them to go back to Detroit and let the rest of the dip shits know we are not going to get ass raped any more.
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Post by legacywannabe on Sept 25, 2015 20:24:21 GMT -5
They're out of touch. They will never know what it's like to be us. They make over 100 grand a year. They are coming hear to lie to all of our faces. I'm not falling for it.
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Post by legacywannabe on Sept 25, 2015 20:28:03 GMT -5
The Co op Healthcare will be a major concessions if members get any raise it will be eaten up in Healthcare costs. I'm sure they will lie and say it's great healthcare. All the while they are creating more bureaucratic jobs up there at the soldout house for there family and friends. International leadership is a joke and I hope people hand it to them when they come around.
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Post by justaworker on Sept 25, 2015 22:11:41 GMT -5
The Co op Healthcare will be a major concessions if members get any raise it will be eaten up in Healthcare costs. I'm sure they will lie and say it's great healthcare. All the while they are creating more bureaucratic jobs up there at the soldout house for there family and friends. International leadership is a joke and I hope people hand it to them when they come around. That's just flat untrue. I don't like how vague it is in the fca agreement. But a co-op when administered properly would save money. |
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Post by lovemystang on Sept 26, 2015 0:24:30 GMT -5
Ask any retiree you know how VEBA is working out for them. That our future under the co op. This is yet another way for IUAW to fatten their pay checks.
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Post by beekeeper on Sept 26, 2015 0:29:02 GMT -5
The retiree I know says his healthcare is crap, his copays and out of pocket is putting a hurt on him. No raises or bonuses for them. remember we will be retirees in the future and we have to take care of ours now for our own future sake.
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Post by bill on Sept 26, 2015 0:54:46 GMT -5
THE UAW IS A MESSENGER....RELAYING WHAT FORD MOTOR COMPANY WANTS US TO ACCEPT!!!!!
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Post by thevocalmajority on Sept 26, 2015 6:12:49 GMT -5
Ask any retiree you know how VEBA is working out for them. That our future under the co op. This is yet another way for IUAW to fatten their pay checks. And just think current retirees have a pension to help cover cost. Our pension will be greeting folks at Walmart. |
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Post by antbanks on Sept 26, 2015 6:31:24 GMT -5
Our retiree, our family, our future and our UNION.
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Sept 26, 2015 7:20:07 GMT -5
The Co op Healthcare will be a major concessions if members get any raise it will be eaten up in Healthcare costs. I'm sure they will lie and say it's great healthcare. All the while they are creating more bureaucratic jobs up there at the soldout house for there family and friends. International leadership is a joke and I hope people hand it to them when they come around. That's just flat untrue. I don't like how vague it is in the fca agreement. But a co-op when administered properly would save money. I know in the VEBA's case it makes about $30K a year for settles and Williams. But you seem to know that a co-op would save money. Please site some examples for us. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 26, 2015 9:16:01 GMT -5
Liberal BS
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Post by justaworker on Sept 26, 2015 9:56:28 GMT -5
That's just flat untrue. I don't like how vague it is in the fca agreement. But a co-op when administered properly would save money. I know in the VEBA's case it makes about $30K a year for settles and Williams. But you seem to know that a co-op would save money. Please site some examples for us. i know a co-op would save money just based on simple economics. look, i have no love for williams or settles. but pooling together hourly and salary employees from these three huge companies would give them greater purchasing power and reduce health care costs. does that mean the uaw should have control over the money? i hope not. in fact, i wouldnt want them involved at all. their job should only be represent and negotiate for us. not to manage our benefits with control over the companies money. look, nobody wants to talk about it but our healthcare costs continue to sky rocket. looking at my ford benefits, ford spent $22,000 on my insurance last year. thats $10 per hour for my insurance. and that cost went up 9% from the previous year. we have to put the brakes on that somehow. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 10:31:06 GMT -5
I know in the VEBA's case it makes about $30K a year for settles and Williams. But you seem to know that a co-op would save money. Please site some examples for us. i know a co-op would save money just based on simple economics. look, i have no love for williams or settles. but pooling together hourly and salary employees from these three huge companies would give them greater purchasing power and reduce health care costs. does that mean the uaw should have control over the money? i hope not. in fact, i wouldnt want them involved at all. their job should only be represent and negotiate for us. not to manage our benefits with control over the companies money. look, nobody wants to talk about it but our healthcare costs continue to sky rocket. looking at my ford benefits, ford spent $22,000 on my insurance last year. thats $10 per hour for my insurance. and that cost went up 9% from the previous year. we have to put the brakes on that somehow. In this day and age a Co-Op will give us the equivalent of a free health clinic. No choice in doctors or hospitals, just what the Co-Op pool agrees too. We will not come out ahead in this. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 10:44:07 GMT -5
Screw the IUAW, let's put a concession in there on there pay & health care. I bet then the lazy lieing BASTARDS will start working for us the members. If they have to come down to sell it there's something WRONG WITH IT.
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Post by mazroth on Sept 26, 2015 10:58:30 GMT -5
i know a co-op would save money just based on simple economics. look, i have no love for williams or settles. but pooling together hourly and salary employees from these three huge companies would give them greater purchasing power and reduce health care costs. does that mean the uaw should have control over the money? i hope not. in fact, i wouldnt want them involved at all. their job should only be represent and negotiate for us. not to manage our benefits with control over the companies money. look, nobody wants to talk about it but our healthcare costs continue to sky rocket. looking at my ford benefits, ford spent $22,000 on my insurance last year. thats $10 per hour for my insurance. and that cost went up 9% from the previous year. we have to put the brakes on that somehow. In this day and age a Co-Op will give us the equivalent of a free health clinic. No choice in doctors or hospitals, just what the Co-Op pool agrees too. We will not come out ahead in this. Thing is still plain and simple, they say it will save money? ok, thats ok, but when they dont put the details on the table, HELL NO. Show us the plan, if you dont show us the plan, it stays the way it is until 2019, next contract! |
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Post by turk182 on Sept 26, 2015 11:27:48 GMT -5
the co-op is like the affordable health care act. let's get this thing passed so we can see what's in it. they treat us like morons.I bet that int. rep don't show his face on the floor. they sent one to my old plant to try to sell us the 2nd modification. he was'nt there long. lucky he got out with all his body parts.yes they are outta touch.them giving me advice is like me telling bill gates how to operate a computer. we're on our own.let's put all the anymosity aside and stick together.
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Post by Tesla on Sept 26, 2015 11:34:48 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm the Reps are still coming? I heard they had been cancelled.
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Post by w84me on Sept 26, 2015 14:21:10 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm the Reps are still coming? I heard they had been cancelled. What's the point in coming now? They need to have an agreement 1st |
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Sept 26, 2015 18:29:18 GMT -5
I know in the VEBA's case it makes about $30K a year for settles and Williams. But you seem to know that a co-op would save money. Please site some examples for us. i know a co-op would save money just based on simple economics. look, i have no love for williams or settles. but pooling together hourly and salary employees from these three huge companies would give them greater purchasing power and reduce health care costs. does that mean the uaw should have control over the money? i hope not. in fact, i wouldnt want them involved at all. their job should only be represent and negotiate for us. not to manage our benefits with control over the companies money. look, nobody wants to talk about it but our healthcare costs continue to sky rocket. looking at my ford benefits, ford spent $22,000 on my insurance last year. thats $10 per hour for my insurance. and that cost went up 9% from the previous year. we have to put the brakes on that somehow. So no examples? But you say it'll work, good enough for me! On second thought I'll pass until i can find some similar examples and read up on them. |
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Post by cal50 on Sept 26, 2015 19:02:03 GMT -5
Since your plant has a large head count the IUAW will want you guys and gals happy and to vote "yes" on whatever they bring back for your consideration.
The contract highlights mean little to me when many other things are not in writing or official letterhead.
Its hard to ask detailed questions about things you only learn about after voting and then its too late.
If the IUAW rally gave a crap they should have meaningful dialect with the actual members and a reasonable amount of time to actually review and discuss proposed contracts but we all know that is not going to happen,lol.
If its not in writing it meas squat coming from the company OR the IUAW.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 26, 2015 19:07:16 GMT -5
If these assholes show up please let KTP know so we can meet them with a WARM WELCOME...
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Post by w84me on Sept 26, 2015 19:58:00 GMT -5
Maybe they are coming to LA P first because we have the precursor, tentative local agreement finished. Highlights includes A/C for 1 woman's bathroom,parking lot restriped, new covered smoke area,uniform allowance continues, some strict new policy for vendors & the bathrooms will be reviewed for needed improvements.
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Post by w84me on Sept 26, 2015 19:59:08 GMT -5
Seriously that's it those are the highlights
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Post by w84me on Sept 26, 2015 20:00:18 GMT -5
And something about splitting up trim and chassis
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 20:07:45 GMT -5
The bargainers and BC were tickled fucking pink last local contract. They put a fucking turning light in front of the main entrance.
Our bathrooms wouldn't need updating if they'd give clean up back to us. 90% of the time the floors haven't been mopped and if they have it was in shit water, no paper towels or TP. Outsourced, you get what you pay for.
Our current bargainers and BC are so out of touch with their own people, its not funny anymore. They only talk to their good ole boys that shove their noses up their ass holes and they forget about the rest of us.
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Post by kywildcat on Sept 26, 2015 20:22:20 GMT -5
Someone said it earlier...co-op does work if run properly. It is ran by IUAW so that's why it doesn't work and I don't think the retiree pool is large enough for insurance carriers and hospitals to compete, that's a theory I have no numbers to back that up. The retirees should be put in the same pool that we are in, it's supposed to be hourly and salary. The larger the number the better your bargaining power with all the carriers. The key is not having the IUAW in charge, we should have a third party in charge. They are like congress, Obama care is great but we have our own plan. They should have the same as us.
Thats my two cents
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Post by pmooret on Sept 26, 2015 20:50:27 GMT -5
Ditto, ditto, ditto!
Co-op will work but should not be run by the IUAW. I have never understood why all of the plants/locals have different insurance.
Retirees should be put into the co-op with the rest of us.
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Post by legacywannabe on Sept 27, 2015 5:38:43 GMT -5
If you vote yes on Co op ran by iuaw, you have got to be the most gullible people working in the auto industry. They will lie to you and say it's good, it will save money. Lol stock market takes a dump and all the crap will fall on us. Higher Co pays, higher prescriptions, higher deductibles. God forbid you have a very sick child or spouse, it could wipe you out.
Please don't be fooled by any official who says it's good, they are paid under the table to do so.
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Post by caprudedawg on Sept 27, 2015 9:44:08 GMT -5
I'd be leary of anything that IUAW wants. Any savings on a co-op will most likely be lining someone's pocket.
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