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Post by pmooret on Mar 18, 2016 5:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by lap65 on Mar 18, 2016 7:29:51 GMT -5
Life is about to change
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Post by blackbird66 on Mar 18, 2016 12:42:25 GMT -5
Think about just how much longer we would have to wait in line to clock out and go home!
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Post by noneoftheabove on Mar 18, 2016 14:19:17 GMT -5
I would have to say lines wouldn't start on time with all the bell ringers waiting in line to punch in!!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 18, 2016 15:30:49 GMT -5
Prolly be thru our gate pass..I'm guessing.
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Post by tiger66 on Mar 18, 2016 17:33:52 GMT -5
No way the union lets this happen.
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Post by tiger66 on Mar 18, 2016 17:36:05 GMT -5
Picture this: the whole plant lines up at 2 minutes till start time to clock in. They lose 20 minutes of production every day because of the time clock!!!!!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 18, 2016 20:04:19 GMT -5
No way the union lets this happen. Now that's funny.We work for Ford not the UAW.Thats what you'll hear. |
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Post by blackbird66 on Mar 18, 2016 20:20:42 GMT -5
Picture this: the whole plant lines up at 2 minutes till start time to clock in. They lose 20 minutes of production every day because of the time clock!!!!! Picture this: The union will support policy that requires you to be here early enough to clock in, regardless how long it takes, before the start of your shift. Including clearing through labor when returning to work. |
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Post by Bcrew4life on Mar 18, 2016 20:36:05 GMT -5
Picture this: the whole plant lines up at 2 minutes till start time to clock in. They lose 20 minutes of production every day because of the time clock!!!!! Picture this: The union will support policy that requires you to be here early enough to clock in, regardless how long it takes, before the start of your shift. Including clearing through labor when returning to work. Picture this: We vote out every union person that supports forcing us to be there early to clock in. |
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Post by blackbird66 on Mar 18, 2016 20:45:36 GMT -5
Picture this: The union will support policy that requires you to be here early enough to clock in, regardless how long it takes, before the start of your shift. Including clearing through labor when returning to work. Picture this: We vote out every union person that supports forcing us to be there early to clock in. Now that's fiction;) |
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Post by tiger66 on Mar 18, 2016 21:54:13 GMT -5
The UAW cannot allow this to happen. Period!!!! If it does allow this RTW is justified!!!!
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Post by lovemystang on Mar 18, 2016 23:50:02 GMT -5
Part of the new contract that folks did not want to read because they had you scared that we were going to strike before the holidays.
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Post by 30yearsentence on Mar 19, 2016 7:29:25 GMT -5
A: We don't even know if or when this will take place.
B: We don't know how the setup will be...It will probably be something easy like a scanner that you wave your gate pass bar code under.
So why is everyone freaking out already?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 19, 2016 8:51:48 GMT -5
If it is thru gate pass it will be easy but,They still will have to do a head count because your buddy could check you in with your pass even if you AWOL.So why bother if the TL has to check again?They do that now.My guess is they're targeting people leaving early.Bet your pay will stop when you go thru the gate!
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Post by cal50 on Mar 19, 2016 19:08:27 GMT -5
No way the union lets this happen. Only if they are required to follow the same rules. |
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Post by lap65 on Mar 20, 2016 9:45:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately we cant vote out the international reps, if this happens it will be company wide & our local reps wont have a say. This will greatly diminish the value of many bid jobs, you put your time in, get your seniority to get better jobs some of which have a perk of getting to leave a little earlier than the line & not have to fight all the traffic, quality leaders, fork lifts, etc. I'm not talking about the few that abuse the system & leave an hour or 2 early, I'm talking 10 - 15 minutes. Traffic will be a worse nightmare than it already is. Our whole way of operating for some will be turned upside down, if you have some abusing the system, deal with those & leave the rest of us alone.
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Time Cards
Mar 20, 2016 13:57:43 GMT -5
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 20, 2016 13:57:43 GMT -5
No shit..It always happens tho.Selfish people fuck it up for everyone.Its gonna suck.
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Time Cards
Mar 20, 2016 22:16:57 GMT -5
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Post by rimfirejunkie on Mar 20, 2016 22:16:57 GMT -5
You only scan in. Not out. Unless that changes it'll be another avenue of policing.
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Post by justaworker on Mar 21, 2016 1:06:02 GMT -5
You won't see time cards, or any time keeping device, in an assembly plant. The reason we don't have it now is for ford's benefit, not ours. If required to punch In or out, you are only required to be at your time clock at start time. Ford needs you on the line and ready to build when the bell rings. Not walking from the time clock to your job.
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Time Cards
Mar 21, 2016 12:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by lap65 on Mar 21, 2016 12:52:53 GMT -5
Bargaining rep said it definitely is in the works, union fighting it but not looking good
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Post by justaworker on Mar 21, 2016 14:33:34 GMT -5
Bargaining rep said it definitely is in the works, union fighting it but not looking good Holy crap, you found a bargainer that would answer a question?? Lol. Not gonna happen, Ford would lose production on every shift. And there is nothing for ford to gain. If the bargainer is telling you that, I bet it's so that later they can act like it was they that kept time clocks out of the plant. |
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Time Cards
Mar 21, 2016 14:47:20 GMT -5
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 21, 2016 14:47:20 GMT -5
I'd bet it happens...Especially if your pay stops when you leave..
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Post by lap65 on Mar 21, 2016 20:29:11 GMT -5
Bargaining rep said it definitely is in the works, union fighting it but not looking good Holy crap, you found a bargainer that would answer a question?? Lol. Not gonna happen, Ford would lose production on every shift. And there is nothing for ford to gain. If the bargainer is telling you that, I bet it's so that later they can act like it was they that kept time clocks out of the plant. Not time clocks, the gate pass, how do they plan on making it all work with people going in & out? I have no clue, I do know I was told when I was on nights years ago by the supervisor, that technically I was not allowed to leave the plant on break. Union rep told me he was right but that it was never enforced, so who knows. UPS is union & they can be fired on the spot just for having their phone on the premises, in their pocket or purse, much less using it so...companies can pretty much make their own rules when it comes to certain things, what time you get here & what time you leave isn't a job standard rule like how much you do per minute, with all the technology available today, there's a way they can do it if they really want to without the old fashioned time clocks that everyone gets in line for. Or....you could be exactly right & they are just blowing smoke, who knows? Just passing on the info I was given pertaining to the subject. Believe me , I don't want it, I spent many years chained to the line, I really like getting to beat the traffic out 6 or 7 minutes early now. |
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Post by tiger66 on Mar 22, 2016 4:22:35 GMT -5
As always a few deadbeats dragging everyone else down.
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Post by justaworker on Mar 22, 2016 14:39:37 GMT -5
Holy crap, you found a bargainer that would answer a question?? Lol. Not gonna happen, Ford would lose production on every shift. And there is nothing for ford to gain. If the bargainer is telling you that, I bet it's so that later they can act like it was they that kept time clocks out of the plant. Not time clocks, the gate pass, how do they plan on making it all work with people going in & out? I have no clue, I do know I was told when I was on nights years ago by the supervisor, that technically I was not allowed to leave the plant on break. Union rep told me he was right but that it was never enforced, so who knows. UPS is union & they can be fired on the spot just for having their phone on the premises, in their pocket or purse, much less using it so...companies can pretty much make their own rules when it comes to certain things, what time you get here & what time you leave isn't a job standard rule like how much you do per minute, with all the technology available today, there's a way they can do it if they really want to without the old fashioned time clocks that everyone gets in line for. Or....you could be exactly right & they are just blowing smoke, who knows? Just passing on the info I was given pertaining to the subject. Believe me , I don't want it, I spent many years chained to the line, I really like getting to beat the traffic out 6 or 7 minutes early now. There is very little gray area when it comes to how a company "keeps your time". Federal and state laws come into play. If they used your badge at the gate as a time keeping instrument, you couldn't be counted late as long as you get through the gate by 6:00. It benefits ford to not have time keeping devices, that's why we don't have them. |
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Post by wallflower on Mar 22, 2016 16:09:20 GMT -5
Until they put a scanner on every blue box hanging over the line. Forks can already be tracked by the IVACS system.
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Post by toddstang on Mar 22, 2016 20:01:43 GMT -5
When I worked at a vendor for KTP while on ILO, our blue box was what we scanned our badges with to log into our jobs and kept our time. Logged in from lunch and break too.
This is truly a pain in the ass if it does happen because its a machine keeping your time and more than once I would log in but not show up on the pay drought.
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Post by cal50 on Mar 22, 2016 20:16:31 GMT -5
If its a cost save to the company they will do it.
No more supervision doing DROT's and no one getting paid when they leave the plant.
One former parts plant implemented a bio metric hand scanning station with several stations. If was near the plant entrance / exit and you scanned your hand in to start your time and when you leave you scanned it out. Payroll was tied to the activity with cameras looking at the station. No chance of anyone else clocking you in or out.
It comes down to how serious management really is and if they think it saves them $$$
I am not thrilled about it but if EVERYONE does it then fine, no exceptions.
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Post by blackbird66 on Mar 22, 2016 23:32:17 GMT -5
Ford doesn't do things to save money. They seem to enjoy pissing it down the drain so they can blame our pay and benefits as some hard ship.
I can see them doing it, but it won't be to save money. More like spending obscene amounts of money for equipment that never functions correctly, only to scrap it all a couple of years later.
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