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Jul 14, 2017 17:45:02 GMT -5
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Post by knowthebiz on Jul 14, 2017 17:45:02 GMT -5
Do legacy employees get a lump sum raise tbis year or is it a percentage on our hourly wage?
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Jul 14, 2017 17:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by nra4life on Jul 14, 2017 17:56:21 GMT -5
Do legacy employees get a lump sum raise tbis year or is it a percentage on our hourly wage? 3% raise effective September 17th |
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Post by ktpveteran6499 on Jul 26, 2017 2:49:27 GMT -5
In my personal opinion, I feel legacy should be making AT LEAST $35 hour.
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Sept 11, 2017 0:01:05 GMT -5
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Post by ktpveteran6499 on Sept 11, 2017 0:01:05 GMT -5
Maybe this 3% chump change will offset the bullshit union dues raise. Back to square one. Thanks "brothers"
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Post by rnlouisville1 on Sept 11, 2017 1:49:39 GMT -5
Better than making under 25 an hour for 8 years like the new guys. Thats rediculous.
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Post by machination on Sept 11, 2017 17:12:19 GMT -5
Better than making under 25 an hour for 8 years like the new guys. Thats rediculous. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but wont they pass the $25/hour mark after about 4 or 5 years? I didn't break out the contract or any charts with facts this time, I'm just firing from the hip, but I'm pretty sure at 8 years they'll be over $29/hour, which at 29 even is an increase of 16% from the crap figure of $25. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to keep to the truth brothers. This of course will only be the case if the company and union don't change the current agreement on in-progression wages in the next contract in such a way that curtails them achieving wage parity in 8 years. That would really be r Idiculous!! |
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Sept 11, 2017 20:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by agslater on Sept 11, 2017 20:54:46 GMT -5
Better than making under 25 an hour for 8 years like the new guys. Thats rediculous. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but wont they pass the $25/hour mark after about 4 or 5 years? I didn't break out the contract or any charts with facts this time, I'm just firing from the hip, but I'm pretty sure at 8 years they'll be over $29/hour, which at 29 even is an increase of 16% from the crap figure of $25. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to keep to the truth brothers. This of course will only be the case if the company and union don't change the current agreement on in-progression wages in the next contract in such a way that curtails them achieving wage parity in 8 years. That would really be r Idiculous!! 5 years would be a huge improvement. Im coming up on 2 years seniority and only 1/4 the way to 8 years. Its a long stretch. People used to get full pay after only 1 year of service. Big difference. |
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Post by agslater on Sept 11, 2017 20:56:48 GMT -5
4 years = 22.50
5 years = 24
8 years = 28.50
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Post by saugerman on Sept 11, 2017 23:05:06 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but wont they pass the $25/hour mark after about 4 or 5 years? I didn't break out the contract or any charts with facts this time, I'm just firing from the hip, but I'm pretty sure at 8 years they'll be over $29/hour, which at 29 even is an increase of 16% from the crap figure of $25. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to keep to the truth brothers. This of course will only be the case if the company and union don't change the current agreement on in-progression wages in the next contract in such a way that curtails them achieving wage parity in 8 years. That would really be r Idiculous!! 5 years would be a huge improvement. Im coming up on 2 years seniority and only 1/4 the way to 8 years. Its a long stretch. People used to get full pay after only 1 year of service. Big difference. Uhh no they didn't it was three years |
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Post by machination on Sept 12, 2017 0:09:22 GMT -5
5 years would be a huge improvement. Im coming up on 2 years seniority and only 1/4 the way to 8 years. Its a long stretch. People used to get full pay after only 1 year of service. Big difference. Uhh no they didn't it was three years The 3 years to full pay began under the 1993 National Agreement. Under the 1990 Agreement it was 18 months. I don't know about the 1987 or prior agreements. Perhaps it was a year to full pay 30+ years ago but I do not know. In 1995, for example, the full pay for an assembler was $17.94/hour without ARPS. It took people who hired in that year 3 years to reach full pay, at which time full pay for an unARPED assembler was around $21ish/hour. Ready for this?: It took someone who hired in 1995 approximately 8 years to reach $28.76/hour, which was the top pay for a fully ARPED assembler at that point due to an unprecedented rise in wages that started in the 90's and lasted for nearly a decade before reality kicked back in and we didn't see a raise again for over a dozen years. In fact, this raise we legacies are getting this month is only the SECOND hourly raise we've gotten since around 2004ish? I might be a year or 2 off. That was a long time ago.
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Post by brizzel on Sept 12, 2017 1:46:02 GMT -5
The legacy wage is where it is at now because of COLA rollover to the base wage.
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Sept 12, 2017 6:35:43 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 12, 2017 6:35:43 GMT -5
The legacy wage is where it is at now because of COLA rollover to the base wage. This plus several base wage percentage increases. |
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Sept 12, 2017 11:20:17 GMT -5
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Post by agslater on Sept 12, 2017 11:20:17 GMT -5
Uhh no they didn't it was three years The 3 years to full pay began under the 1993 National Agreement. Under the 1990 Agreement it was 18 months. I don't know about the 1987 or prior agreements. Perhaps it was a year to full pay 30+ years ago but I do not know. In 1995, for example, the full pay for an assembler was $17.94/hour without ARPS. It took people who hired in that year 3 years to reach full pay, at which time full pay for an unARPED assembler was around $21ish/hour. Ready for this?: It took someone who hired in 1995 approximately 8 years to reach $28.76/hour, which was the top pay for a fully ARPED assembler at that point due to an unprecedented rise in wages that started in the 90's and lasted for nearly a decade before reality kicked back in and we didn't see a raise again for over a dozen years. In fact, this raise we legacies are getting this month is only the SECOND hourly raise we've gotten since around 2004ish? I might be a year or 2 off. That was a long time ago.
Either way 8 years sucks. 21/ hour is probably similar to 30 added 20+ years of inflation. |
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Sept 12, 2017 14:34:24 GMT -5
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 12, 2017 14:34:24 GMT -5
Now everyone should realize who the real DARTH BULLSHITTER is..Make sure to vote on his poll!Lol
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Sept 13, 2017 7:39:03 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 13, 2017 7:39:03 GMT -5
Now everyone should realize who the real DARTH BULLSHITTER is..Make sure to vote on his poll!Lol What did I say that wasn't true? Point it out to me. If we need to have a 3 page "round two" where you just end up agreeing with me in the end like last time, I'm ready to hose all that bullshit off of you until you squeak with truth. Dust off your turd-saber there Darth. Let's do this. Oh yes, and vote in the poll folks ☺ |
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Sept 13, 2017 17:54:00 GMT -5
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Post by rimfirejunkie on Sept 13, 2017 17:54:00 GMT -5
Base pay in 95 was 12.56
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Sept 13, 2017 20:27:02 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 13, 2017 20:27:02 GMT -5
Wrong. Base pay in 1995 was $17.94. Not everyone was a new hire in 1995. 70% of base pay was $12.56, which was the new hire starting percentage. Bring on the bullshit folks so I can wash it off. A tiny percentage of people, like me, actually bothered to know stuff back then. You'd be amazed at how many people around me PRETENDED to, but actually didn't know anything because they couldn't be bothered to read a contract and couldn't understand it if they did read it. So, NEXT! P.S. If absolutely necessary tomorrow, or whenever I feel like educating you numbskulls, I'll scan my old contract books at the sections showing wage schedules for each year to show how full of shit so many of you are. Is that going to be necessary? 😎 |
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Sept 14, 2017 6:08:02 GMT -5
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 14, 2017 6:08:02 GMT -5
Now everyone should realize who the real DARTH BULLSHITTER is..Make sure to vote on his poll!Lol What did I say that wasn't true? Point it out to me. If we need to have a 3 page "round two" where you just end up agreeing with me in the end like last time, I'm ready to hose all that bullshit off of you until you squeak with truth. Dust off your turd-saber there Darth. Let's do this. Oh yes, and vote in the poll folks ☺ Oh wonderful Mach you only speak the truth..You're so great!!!You are the best!!Feel better now..Could we meet and you read those old contracts to me?Instead of silly old scanning?👊🏿 |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 14, 2017 6:10:29 GMT -5
Pretty sure rimfire meant HIS STARTING BASE PAY WAS 12.56..duh
For example on HIS check stub it didn't tell someone else's BASE PAY it showed HIS..Correct or wrong Great DF?
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Sept 14, 2017 6:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 6:36:55 GMT -5
Pretty sure rimfire meant HIS STARTING BASE PAY WAS 12.56..duh For example on HIS check stub it didn't tell someone else's BASE PAY it showed HIS..Correct or wrong Great DF? This isn't rocket science. He stated that base pay in 1995 was $12.56. He didn't say his. He didn't say yours. He didn't say Jim Bob's. He said base pay. Base pay for an assembler in 1995 was $17.94. Maybe you all hired in around nothing but other new hires but I didn't. And someone next to you who hired in 1993 would not have been making $12.56 in 1995. So his comment was false. Next! |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 14, 2017 6:49:03 GMT -5
Pretty sure rimfire meant HIS STARTING BASE PAY WAS 12.56..duh For example on HIS check stub it didn't tell someone else's BASE PAY it showed HIS..Correct or wrong Great DF? This isn't rocket science. He stated that base pay in 1995 was $12.56. He didn't say his. He didn't say yours. He didn't say Jim Bob's. He said base pay. Base pay for an assembler in 1995 was $17.94. Maybe you all hired in around nothing but other new hires but I didn't. And someone next to you who hired in 1993 would not have been making $12.56 in 1995. So his comment was false. Next! No you're wrong AS USUAL..In the contract DURING HIM BEING HIRED ,it quoted a person hired in 1995 will have a BASE PAY of 12.56..End of story ..next OH snap or whatever gay lingo you speak! |
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Sept 14, 2017 7:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 7:47:36 GMT -5
This isn't rocket science. He stated that base pay in 1995 was $12.56. He didn't say his. He didn't say yours. He didn't say Jim Bob's. He said base pay. Base pay for an assembler in 1995 was $17.94. Maybe you all hired in around nothing but other new hires but I didn't. And someone next to you who hired in 1993 would not have been making $12.56 in 1995. So his comment was false. Next! No you're wrong AS USUAL..In the contract DURING HIM BEING HIRED ,it quoted a person hired in 1995 will have a BASE PAY of 12.56..End of story ..next OH snap or whatever gay lingo you speak! He didn't say base pay if you were HIRED in 1995, he didn't say HIS base pay, he said base pay IN 1995. I was surrounded by old guys in 1995 who's BASE PAY was $17.94. As usual you don't know shit LOL |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 14, 2017 8:14:53 GMT -5
No you're wrong AS USUAL..In the contract DURING HIM BEING HIRED ,it quoted a person hired in 1995 will have a BASE PAY of 12.56..End of story ..next OH snap or whatever gay lingo you speak! He didn't say base pay if you were HIRED in 1995, he didn't say HIS base pay, he said base pay IN 1995. I was surrounded by old guys in 1995 who's BASE PAY was $17.94. You really are an absolute dumbass ex-honestman |
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Sept 14, 2017 8:18:17 GMT -5
Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 8:18:17 GMT -5
Have a look for yourself while I LOL harder than I've ever LOLed!: |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 14, 2017 8:24:33 GMT -5
If lol ing about shit on here amuses you ,you definitely have mental problems..You must be a real gossip girl in the plant or office?Anyway if you get off on spinning words around to make yourself look right go for it..I gotta get back to Jeopardy,my fantasy football ,and doing my job..So if you wanna meet sometime for a beer lmk..🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿
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Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 8:33:22 GMT -5
If lol ing about shit on here amuses you ,you definitely have mental problems..You must be a real gossip girl in the plant or office?Anyway if you get off on spinning words around to make yourself look right go for it..I gotta get back to Jeopardy,my fantasy football ,and doing my job..So if you wanna meet sometime for a beer lmk..🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿 You hate it when I'm right don't you.  Until we meet again, DARTH BULLSHIT!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 14, 2017 8:37:49 GMT -5
If lol ing about shit on here amuses you ,you definitely have mental problems..You must be a real gossip girl in the plant or office?Anyway if you get off on spinning words around to make yourself look right go for it..I gotta get back to Jeopardy,my fantasy football ,and doing my job..So if you wanna meet sometime for a beer lmk..🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿 You hate it when I'm right don't you. Until we meet again, DARTH BULLSHIT!
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Aren't you supposed to be busy on union duty?See folks this is where our dues go.To a dildo playing on the computer all day while you're busting ass..🖕🏿 |
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Sept 14, 2017 8:46:40 GMT -5
Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 8:46:40 GMT -5
You hate it when I'm right don't you. Until we meet again, DARTH BULLSHIT!
Aren't you supposed to be busy on union duty?See folks this is where our dues go.To a dildo playing on the computer all day while you're busting ass..🖕🏿 Naa, I'm off today. And I'm not a committeeman. You just drip with bullshit don't you. Hey I'm just trying to correct inaccuracies that's all. I am a force for truth and honesty. Bet you didn't expect me to actually whip out pics of the old contracts did you? It's fun defeating Darth Bullshit and the Shith Lords of the Brown Side. You kinda asked for it you know  |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 14, 2017 8:54:19 GMT -5
Dont but it..You got UNION SUCKASS all over your style!!!🖕🏿
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Sept 14, 2017 9:00:40 GMT -5
Post by machination on Sept 14, 2017 9:00:40 GMT -5
Dont but it..You got UNION SUCKASS all over your style!!!🖕🏿 So I'm a union suckass for telling the truth, and even posting evidence of that truth? LOL, no Darth I'm not AFRAID of telling the truth. People like you are terrified of not looking like tough guys to everyone else who's either stupid enough to buy into that nonsense or too young to know any better, so you hop on the bullshit bandwagon and even double down on falsehoods after you're proven wrong, and when you're finally in knots and can't succeed in whatever lie you've peddled, you just get pissed off at the people who were telling the truth all along, no matter what issue it is. Guys like you are easy to figure out. Even now you spout more bullshit with this insistence that I'm a district committeeman, even though you have no idea who I am, simply because I tell the truth and sometimes give an opposing viewpoint in an effort to get people to lower their pitchforks and think. But that's ok, because at the end of the day I know you love me |
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