I know many of us have ranted about 'life at KTP'

[ScottR@KTP]

Okay...lets go in a different direction than some of our previous KTP rant posts. In many of our earlier posts, many of us have complained about the union representation at KTP...I would like to discuss the salary side of things.
I don't think I have ever seen such inept management skills since moving to KTP. There may be a few dummies at LAP, but after talking to the union, things seem to get easily resolved. At KTP, you could spend 3 months or more battling the same issue with the salary at KTP dragging their heels or 100% reluctant to do their job. Whether or not it's dealing with the 'I hate the world' individual up front...or dealing with your immediate sup, this place is ridiculous.
So lets play a game...we will call it 'Who to Blame?'
If you bid on a job, and it takes over 2 months to get your classification changed...who do you blame?
If your pay rate is not changed for over 2 months...who do you blame?
If ARPs was submitted and accepted but it still doesn't show up on your check for over 2 months, who do you blame?
If you finally receive back pay, but it still is not back pay with your ARPs included...meaning they will have to back pay you again for the ARPs increase...who do you blame?
If you receive your last check of the year and notice your vacation hours were zeroed out and you were paid your time without your knowledge or permission...who do you blame?
If your superintendent changes your OIS sheet without a sit down or any instructions about your job change and then expects you to start this "new job" since he officially changed your job one minute prior...who do you blame?
LMAO
I can go on and on...and the sad part is...this all happened in a 4 month period. More incompetent management in 4 months than in 16 years at LAP. What a fucking joke...and all the while the union is attempting to take care of all this...but nothing is ever immediate. They do it whenever the hell they feel like it.
Yeah, we will change your pay rate...two checks later...no pay rate change.
As long as KTP is seeing quality improvements, they could care less about the work environment and the morale of their workforce.
Come on LAP...ask up to return.

[buckeyeinky]

when ford got rid of the last batch of management , they kept the suck asses ,and the dumb asses.I'm in stock and thats how they did it .No boss is will to help anymore,there only job is to do what the Burnum says or you will lose your job..Same in labor this new batch of people are the worst...very rude.

[bo862]

Most of it sounds like Standard Operating Procedure here at ktp.

By the way the quality has nothing to do with managements outlook on work environment or morale. They have been that way since I have been here.

In case I haven't told everyone before.... welcome to ktp

[elmer]

Management was so bad at Kansas City, everything from overloaded jobs to minor stuff like approving a day off things where just pitiful. The union felt it had no choice but to call a strike vote. Once they stated this procedure Detroit got involved. Things seemed to have improved there but it took action form the local and it’s members. That’s what we need at KTP. We have to show management we mean business and if necessary to take a strike vote and strike if the contract is not being honored. But I don’t think our local leadership has the balls like Kansas City.

[Jr]

Jan 13, 2010 22:36:29 GMT -5 ScottR@KTP said:

Come on LAP...ask up to return.

It's coming some May Not Like how it's coming but It's coming Soon ;D

[ScottR@KTP]

Rumor running rampant at KTP that some are about to be surveyed to return? Why would they do this prior to retool? I know nothing they do makes sense, so I really don't know why I asked the questions.
It would be funny to see some go back prior to retool since many of us left to avoid the retool down time. But since arriving to KTP, many are so eager to return since the place has no accountability on many issues. I hope they ask us all to come back in May. LOL

[86gn]

Jan 15, 2010 0:19:21 GMT -5 ScottR@KTP said:

Rumor running rampant at KTP that some are about to be surveyed to return? Why would they do this prior to retool? I know nothing they do makes sense, so I really don't know why I asked the questions.
It would be funny to see some go back prior to retool since many of us left to avoid the retool down time. But since arriving to KTP, many are so eager to return since the place has no accountability on many issues. I hope they ask us all to come back in May. LOL

I havent got any rumors of this back in my hole im in, What all is being said and JR what was ment by that comment you made? Good , bad,funny?

[ktpking]

Jan 14, 2010 12:37:43 GMT -5 elmer said:

Management was so bad at Kansas City, everything from overloaded jobs to minor stuff like approving a day off things where just pitiful. The union felt it had no choice but to call a strike vote. Once they stated this procedure Detroit got involved. Things seemed to have improved there but it took action form the local and it’s members. That’s what we need at KTP. We have to show management we mean business and if necessary to take a strike vote and strike if the contract is not being honored. But I don’t think our local leadership has the balls like Kansas City.

Elmer, I like the way you are thinking. BUT, it will never happen. What you guys fail to realize is the UAW is now a business. They (UAW) is trying to make money off Ford stock so the retireeeees will have a pension and health care. The UAW will never call a strike. Do you know what that would do to the VEBA? I'll tell you, the stock will go down hence the VEBA account will gooooooo down. That was the worst mistake the International could make. FORD is laughing all the way to the bank. Suckers. The days of membership first is over. Just wait till next contract when the good ole boys up north start to negotiate our new contract with the company. We won't get much or anything at all. Sure, we will take a strike vote but look what good that did us in the past. Just like the buying of the union hall on Fern Vally Road. We kept voting it down but the good ole boys wanted it so they just kept sending it for a vote until people got pissed off and quit wasting their time to vote it down. And Walllllllllaaaaaa Wooooohoooo it passed we can buy the old Lowes building. Pat me on the back I told you we would get it passed boys. We will vote it down several times like other contracts and the same thing it will pass. Sorry to tell you unions are slowly fading away. I can't imagine why.


As far as the management thing it's no different than the union side. Everyone blames the other guy. Nobody wants to be responsible anymore. Everybody wants to do less than the person next to him/her. That's the trickle down syndrome. Sad because that is what will destroy the company we work for. Why do you think we lost the cleanup jobs? I'll tell ya. People was not doing their jobs. This is just the beginning. I hope it turns around because I really hate to move to another state to find work. Hey, I did it before and I'll do it again. I just hate moving all my shit again. I'm just now really getting settled in.

[Jr]

They Are Going to Survey For People to come back to Lap! You Have a choice to make LAP or KTP your home Plant. If you choose Lap you will be put on rolls over Here but still work at Ktp till Retool. Reason being so you can come to lap and bid on open Jobs once they are posted for the return of retool. But...... Keep this in mind Once you choose Lap and they (Ktp) get the OK to start replacing those workers. You could be laid off as soon as the get the OK. and than would return when Lap needs you.

I don't like it but the UNION is gonna do what they want to on this.


As far as Layoffs the Company wants to cut X amount of money from the operations this year which would amount to about 30 or so more jobs. There was a rumor they may ask for voluntary Layoffs to get them. With the layoff affecting None of their sub or tap. So basically a TLO situation but like I said it was just a rumor ;D


THERE You wanted to know!! ;D ;D

[ScottR@KTP]

That is exactly what I was told Jr...thanks for sharing. Hope all is well with you and yours. See you soon.

[trinitus]

How many people on here like playing that game cornhole? Well this is Ford's and the UAW's version of cornhole, only it is your hole that is going to be corned.

[marcus]

Union guys whats the truth on what JR is saying?

[lapbrian]

I have heard, that sometime in October(I think the 30th), they are going to give the KTP people at LAP 5 days to decide whether they want to make LAP their home plant or not. I guess if you don't want to make LAP your home plant you will go back to KTP once LAP goes down.

[Jr]

Jan 18, 2010 9:19:50 GMT -5 marcus said:

Union guys whats the truth on what JR is saying?

Marcus why would I Post rumors?? I was told this by Our B.C.


Lapbrian..... that will happen long before October!!! There is going to be jobs posted at Lap In may or June that those, that choose to make Lap their home Plant are going to be able to bid on.

Ideally I was told they want to get a Name with a Job Before we shut down in November.

[lap65]

I heard a very similar story, that they wanted all the bids to be done before the re-tool to keep confusion down at the launch of the new vehicle. But how are they going to bid jobs when they don't even know exactly how it's going to be set up yet? How can you bid on a job when you don't know what all it involves. And, not trying to offend anyone, but I don't agree if you voluntarily left LAP to go to KTP, you should not be able to have the same bid rights as those who stayed before you even come back. I know, no one cares if I agree or not. Just my 2 cents.

[kessinger]

Jan 14, 2010 12:37:43 GMT -5 elmer said:

Management was so bad at Kansas City, everything from overloaded jobs to minor stuff like approving a day off things where just pitiful. The union felt it had no choice but to call a strike vote. Once they stated this procedure Detroit got involved. Things seemed to have improved there but it took action form the local and it’s members. That’s what we need at KTP. We have to show management we mean business and if necessary to take a strike vote and strike if the contract is not being honored. But I don’t think our local leadership has the balls like Kansas City.

I don't understand this Elmer. You claim to distrust and hate the IUAW yet you think by taking a strike vote they will come save the day? As I have stated many times before if anyone has an issue you can't get resolved call me and I will get involved. If its worth striking over I would think its worth contacting me over it.

[kessinger]

Jan 15, 2010 0:19:21 GMT -5 ScottR@KTP said:

Rumor running rampant at KTP that some are about to be surveyed to return? Why would they do this prior to retool? I know nothing they do makes sense, so I really don't know why I asked the questions.
It would be funny to see some go back prior to retool since many of us left to avoid the retool down time. But since arriving to KTP, many are so eager to return since the place has no accountability on many issues. I hope they ask us all to come back in May. LOL

I have not heard this. But, since it is something that LAP is working on they may not feel the need to include me in the loop. As far as KTP goes we need you here and hope to keep you til LAP absolutely needs you.

[kessinger]

Jan 15, 2010 2:28:33 GMT -5 @ktpking said:

Jan 14, 2010 12:37:43 GMT -5 elmer said:

Management was so bad at Kansas City, everything from overloaded jobs to minor stuff like approving a day off things where just pitiful. The union felt it had no choice but to call a strike vote. Once they stated this procedure Detroit got involved. Things seemed to have improved there but it took action form the local and it’s members. That’s what we need at KTP. We have to show management we mean business and if necessary to take a strike vote and strike if the contract is not being honored. But I don’t think our local leadership has the balls like Kansas City.

Elmer, I like the way you are thinking. BUT, it will never happen. What you guys fail to realize is the UAW is now a business. They (UAW) is trying to make money off Ford stock so the retireeeees will have a pension and health care. The UAW will never call a strike. Do you know what that would do to the VEBA? I'll tell you, the stock will go down hence the VEBA account will gooooooo down. That was the worst mistake the International could make. FORD is laughing all the way to the bank. Suckers. The days of membership first is over. Just wait till next contract when the good ole boys up north start to negotiate our new contract with the company. We won't get much or anything at all. Sure, we will take a strike vote but look what good that did us in the past. Just like the buying of the union hall on Fern Vally Road. We kept voting it down but the good ole boys wanted it so they just kept sending it for a vote until people got pissed off and quit wasting their time to vote it down. And Walllllllllaaaaaa Wooooohoooo it passed we can buy the old Lowes building. Pat me on the back I told you we would get it passed boys. We will vote it down several times like other contracts and the same thing it will pass. Sorry to tell you unions are slowly fading away. I can't imagine why.


As far as the management thing it's no different than the union side. Everyone blames the other guy. Nobody wants to be responsible anymore. Everybody wants to do less than the person next to him/her. That's the trickle down syndrome. Sad because that is what will destroy the company we work for. Why do you think we lost the cleanup jobs? I'll tell ya. People was not doing their jobs. This is just the beginning. I hope it turns around because I really hate to move to another state to find work. Hey, I did it before and I'll do it again. I just hate moving all my shit again. I'm just now really getting settled in.

I agree about the LAP hall vote that was a very lopsided process. It is the only time I myself felt like we were being forced to accept soemthing.

[kessinger]

Jan 15, 2010 6:40:54 GMT -5 fatnat said:

Why would they survey when they are cutting heads again at our plant? Doesn't seem likely to me. Oh yeah, we also have supervisors working on the line too at our plant and if anyone says anything about it they are chastized for it. They get the old "Now we all have to work together you know" speech. Jeff Marzian was doing some line work Friday. John Bell has been seen working on the line and so has John Hild. They are borrowing people to cover jobs here and yet they are cutting out more people. It doesn't make any sense.

This can't be true fatnat, I have read hundreds of times on this forum that this stuff would not stand at your plant. You guys should take a strike vote.

[kessinger]

Jan 15, 2010 8:12:07 GMT -5 Jr said:

They Are Going to Survey For People to come back to Lap! You Have a choice to make LAP or KTP your home Plant. If you choose Lap you will be put on rolls over Here but still work at Ktp till Retool. Reason being so you can come to lap and bid on open Jobs once they are posted for the return of retool. But...... Keep this in mind Once you choose Lap and they (Ktp) get the OK to start replacing those workers. You could be laid off as soon as the get the OK. and than would return when Lap needs you.

I don't like it but the UNION is gonna do what they want to on this.




As far as Layoffs the Company wants to cut X amount of money from the operations this year which would amount to about 30 or so more jobs. There was a rumor they may ask for voluntary Layoffs to get them. With the layoff affecting None of their sub or tap. So basically a TLO situation but like I said it was just a rumor ;D


THERE You wanted to know!! ;D ;D

Your saying they are gonna let people that still work at KTP bid on LAP bid jobs. Wow, and you guys accused us of making the bids unfair.

[PUNISHER]

well, yea, letting ktp people bid on all the good jobs before lap people with more senority can get there and bid on them...that is unfair......lap isn't going to bid jobs for low senority lap people to get before ktp transfers get there.

[Jr]

Jan 20, 2010 12:20:02 GMT -5 kessinger said:

Jan 15, 2010 8:12:07 GMT -5 Jr said:

They Are Going to Survey For People to come back to Lap! You Have a choice to make LAP or KTP your home Plant. If you choose Lap you will be put on rolls over Here but still work at Ktp till Retool. Reason being so you can come to lap and bid on open Jobs once they are posted for the return of retool. But...... Keep this in mind Once you choose Lap and they (Ktp) get the OK to start replacing those workers. You could be laid off as soon as the get the OK. and than would return when Lap needs you.

I don't like it but the UNION is gonna do what they want to on this.




As far as Layoffs the Company wants to cut X amount of money from the operations this year which would amount to about 30 or so more jobs. There was a rumor they may ask for voluntary Layoffs to get them. With the layoff affecting None of their sub or tap. So basically a TLO situation but like I said it was just a rumor ;D


THERE You wanted to know!! ;D ;D

Your saying they are gonna let people that still work at KTP bid on LAP bid jobs. Wow, and you guys accused us of making the bids unfair.

How do you get Unfair out of that??? They are Gonna Let the ones that choose Lap as their home plant come to Lap and Bid On the Jobs for when we start back up.

That's Not putting up a hundred jobs before the transfers come They are letting the transfers bid. Unlike KTP did ;D ;D ;D ;D

[bo862]

There were a few people that said they were going to ride it through the unemployment so that they would have a chance at a good bid job. I get unfair out of it because they are allowing people from another plant to bid into their plant. (You transfered out and are no longer LAP employees) It should not matter what plant you are hired in at, if you are not at that plant it is unfair to anyone that decided to ride it out.

My opinion aside, if they are allowed to bid then that will make LAP guilty of using the good ol' boy system.

If they are going to open up the bids to transfers before they actually transfer then they need to open it to all employees that are going to transfer and not show favoritism to the KTP employees that used to be LAP employees. Not that it matters because we all know LAP doesn't take care of their own with the good ol'boy system.

I don't seriously expect them to do that, but stop and think about it. A person that voluntarily leaves a plant and is still going to get to bid on any jobs that come up while they are gone is too much. If It were an individual there is no way this would happen.

The only way I feel they should allow former LAP employees to bid is to return to LAP before they are put up for bid.


Maybe they will be creative and make these "local wide bids" instead of In Plant bids.

That's enough sarcasm for now.

So go ahead and let me have it. Explain how we should be able to bid on jobs in other plants.

[ktpking]

Ok Ok Ok I work at KTP. Can I bid on a good job at LAP? If I get the bid I'll transfer to LAP. Will these bids for LAP be on our computer at KTP? I'll even drive to LAP and have security get me a pass to use their computer so I can bid. You know what? I bet I can't even log in on their computer at LAP because I'm not on rolls at LAP. Can someone put me on rolls at LAP so I can bid and get a good job? If I get the good job at LAP and it turns out to be a bad job can I bid on another good job at KTP and transfer back? ;D

[intheloop]

no matter what plant your at we should be able to bid on either plants jobs, it just makes sense. if we could do that then this would have been a non issue long ago - We are the same local

[ScottR@KTP]

Wow, there's an idea...ability to bid at both plants regardless of which plant you currently work. I like it.

[rudedawg]

While we're at it lets just open all bids to Global Ford. Might be a problem with communication but what the hay we already have that.

[lap65]

Barry Ford said today that under no circumstances would someone that was not on the roll at LAP be allowed to bid on a job at LAP, he said there is language in the contract to keep that from happening. Not saying I do or do not believe him, just throwing it in the ring.

[PUNISHER]

stone told me yesterday...no lap transfers that are at ktp will be surveyed in may or anytime this year, he said we (lap transfers) will be the first to be called back after retooling is done in the 3rd quarter of 2011, my guess is at that time we will be able to bid on whatever jobs that will be available.

[ScottR@KTP]

Thanks for the clear up...Jr must be hitting the crack pipe again. Come on Junior! )