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Post by marcus on Mar 23, 2010 15:16:34 GMT -5
Looks like we can look forward to 40 percent tax on our healthcare at ford when it starts.Yay HBO, our care is only going to get better and cheaper.
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Post by marcus on Mar 23, 2010 15:29:52 GMT -5
10 percent tax on tanning
Parents health care covers KIDS up to age 26(Kids at 26 come on people)
Fees for health care insurers goes up every year starting at 8 Billion then 11 billion etc(Who will pay this uh that would be us)
annual fees of 2.5 billion on drug makers that goes up each year(Again who will really pay this?)
16000 new IRS agents to enforce this.
Penalty for not having insurance that goes up each year.
Ill stop with just these few things.
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Post by pmooret on Mar 23, 2010 15:47:25 GMT -5
If 10% is good enough for the Lord is should be good enough for Obama too!!!!
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Post by kessinger on Mar 23, 2010 20:14:58 GMT -5
lol good one pmooret
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Post by hotcarl on Mar 23, 2010 20:34:25 GMT -5
That is total BS Dorkus. You should do a little research before you tell lies based on fear, just like the rest of your republicans politicians.
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Post by kessinger on Mar 23, 2010 20:36:51 GMT -5
We got healthcare reform in America and now you can..................... buy healthcare from an insurance company just like always. This is the face of socialism you guys were talking about? Realy? You guys think this is the earth shattering consitution ripping RED blight on the American dream. Looks like Capitalism to me.
I agree with the tax I think all this should have been paid for by tarriffs. All these countries gettign rich making things to sell here should be providing our healthcare.
Don't Republicans always preach personal responsability? So now people that have been getting medicaid paid for by US that can afford healthcare must buy some themselves. Thats less of my money going to pay for them. I know everyone likes to ignore it, but healthcare has been free in this country for a long time for some people. So now everyone must pay their share. That is a Republican idea if you ask me, yet they hate it for some reason.
I would be more for free healthcare paid for by tarriffs, you take our jobs, then you give us healthcare. At least we would be getting something out of outsourcing. But we can't touch our global economy now can we.
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Post by marcus on Mar 24, 2010 15:17:34 GMT -5
Hot carl pick up the CJ newspaper from yesterday.The 40 percent thing was in it.
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Post by marcus on Mar 24, 2010 15:22:36 GMT -5
Yes you can still get private health care kessinger for now.The private is going to be taxed BILLIONS of dollars a year and it goes up every year.So who is going to be paying those billions?Ill tell you that will be us.
Private can not compete with Gov ran heathcare Gov can lose Billions and still stay in buisness,private can not.So in time there will be only Private.
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Post by marcus on Mar 24, 2010 15:29:18 GMT -5
Hotcarl you call this is BS.Im waiting for you to do some research yourself ive done mine.Its 40 percent Section 1401 of the Amendment
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Post by kessinger on Mar 24, 2010 17:48:15 GMT -5
I am sure it as at your tax rate that is probaly true. We leave Bernie Madoffs capital gains alone but mess with healthcare benefits.
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Post by rnoble3 on Mar 24, 2010 19:34:15 GMT -5
Looks like we can look forward to 40 percent tax on our healthcare at ford when it starts.Yay HBO, our care is only going to get better and cheaper. Not quite true. That 40 percent excise tax was delayed until 2018, when it would begin to apply to benefits over $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for couples. |
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Post by pmooret on Mar 24, 2010 20:06:59 GMT -5
Looks like we can look forward to 40 percent tax on our healthcare at ford when it starts.Yay HBO, our care is only going to get better and cheaper. Not quite true. That 40 percent excise tax was delayed until 2018, when it would begin to apply to benefits over $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for couples. At the rate that insurance policies go up by the time 2018 gets here our policies will be over the limits and we will be paying the 40% tax. Folks, there should never be a 40% tax on anything!!! I can't believe that our goverment voted to levy a 40% tax on anything. |
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Post by rnoble3 on Mar 24, 2010 21:01:30 GMT -5
Not quite true. That 40 percent excise tax was delayed until 2018, when it would begin to apply to benefits over $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for couples. At the rate that insurance policies go up by the time 2018 gets here our policies will be over the limits and we will be paying the 40% tax. Folks, there should never be a 40% tax on anything!!! I can't believe that our goverment voted to levy a 40% tax on anything. To clarify the 40% tax is on the amount over the limit, not the entire amount. |
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Post by hotcarl on Mar 24, 2010 21:38:29 GMT -5
Again, You guys need to do a little research before you spew out lies. Do you even know what the value of our health care plan is now let alone what it will be in 2018? We will not be taxed on anything over the $10,200 for individuals or $27,500 for families. As a matter of fact, if the value of the insurance was $100,000, we would not be taxed a single penny. Insurance companies are the only ones who will be taxed at 40% for offering so called "Cadillac" plans. This tax will only apply to plans over the above amounts.
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Post by keithf on Mar 25, 2010 5:00:57 GMT -5
[quote author=hotcarl board=election thread=7510 post=30816 time=1269484709Insurance companies are the only ones who will be taxed at 40% for offering so called "Cadillac" plans. This tax will only apply to plans over the above amounts.[/quote]
simple economics. when a business is taxed, that tax is passed down to consumers. whel oil is taxed at a higher rate, the price of gas goes up. when insurance companies are taxed more, premiums go up.
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Post by marcus on Mar 25, 2010 15:09:06 GMT -5
"we would not be taxed a single penny. Insurance companies are the only ones who will be taxed"
WOW this is a big reason we are where we are right now!! Who the hell do you think the insurace companies will get the money from, come on people.
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Post by marcus on Mar 25, 2010 15:12:20 GMT -5
Like my other post insurance companies would be made to pay Billions a year and it goes up in billions as the years go on same with drug companys.Please who do you think will pay those billion.
Hotcarl tell me who do you think will pay for this new stuff?
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Post by pmooret on Mar 25, 2010 16:50:09 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how the cookie crumbles, a 40% tax is outrageous. Once they get their foot in the door, what's going to be taxed at 40% next?
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Post by marcus on Mar 26, 2010 17:05:35 GMT -5
Nobody can defend this BS.You cant spend like this and be ok.I dont care what party you are it has to stop.
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Post by kessinger on Mar 26, 2010 19:38:03 GMT -5
Ok keith and marcus. This is the free market and they aren't going to raise prices due to taxes. They raise prices to the highest level that people will pay, period. Do you realy think if they can get you to pay $1000 dollars for something instead of $800 they aren't going to do so wheather they are taxed or not? Nike shoes have been made by the cheapest labor on earth for years yet they are still some of the most expensive shoes to buy, is this due to them being taxed? No, they will charge the highest price the market will allow them to. You guys are free marketers how do you not understand this free market principle. The insurance companies are making record profits, why? Because they are charging you way more than it cost to inusure you that is how profit works. A tax will cut into their profits. They are still going to charge us the most they possibly can before we stop buying.
The only time a tax will change the way the do business is if their profit margins are so slim that they have to charge more to keep from running a deficit.
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Post by marcus on Mar 26, 2010 20:38:21 GMT -5
Where is the Billions of dollars going to come from?Do you really not think they will pass it on to us.
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Post by marcus on Mar 26, 2010 20:40:20 GMT -5
If nike was taxed more money they would pass it on to us plan and simple.
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Post by kessinger on Mar 26, 2010 21:18:14 GMT -5
So if they cut nikes taxes prices would go down? YEA RIGHT. They will always charge as much as they possibly can to maximise profits. They will charge what the consumer is willing to pay. No excise tax or high or low labor cost will change that fact. They will charge as much as you are willing to pay. They may use other things as an excuse but that price will be exactly this , the most you are willing to pay.
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Post by jefflebowski on Mar 26, 2010 21:23:11 GMT -5
Supply is manipulated. Demand is real. Good answer Kess. Too much kool-aide being drank by the sheep.
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Post by hotcarl on Mar 26, 2010 22:03:49 GMT -5
Economists believe that employers will not give many of their employers "Cadillac" plans once the 40% deal goes into effect. They believe that employers will give raises to employees instead. This will force insurance companies to cut costs in addition to the cost reductions which will come from health care reform. The health care benefits that we currently have are not "Cadillac Plans" and I doubt they ever will be. I imagine the only ones at Ford and other businesses who truly have Cadillac plans are executives.
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Post by marcus on Mar 26, 2010 22:49:44 GMT -5
So the gov takes 10 billion more from Nike and they dont pass it on to you?If you cut nikes tax it doesnt mean they will pass the savings on to you but you better believe they will pass there cost increases on to you.
Im not going to believe what some economist thinks some employers are going to do.I dont see how you guys can think this is going to be FREE for us and Better for us.I dont get that at all.
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Post by kessinger on Mar 26, 2010 23:48:42 GMT -5
Marcus if they put a $900 dollar tarriff on imported nikes would you pay $900 for nikes? No you will only pay what you are willing to pay. So if they add a $1.00 tax on nikes would you pay it? Yea most likely if they passed taht on. So somewhere in the middle you won't pay the extra for the nikes because you will ony pay what you are willing to pay. I just don't buy nikes myself.
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Post by marcus on Mar 27, 2010 7:11:21 GMT -5
I dont buy Nike's I buy new balance.
It doesn't matter what I'm willing to pay for a pair of shoes if the government raises the price of shoes 50 bucks on EVERYONE that makes shoes(except government shoes).That 50 bucks will be passed to you and me.If those private shoes get to high to buy by you or your place of employment you will get government shoes that are not as good.
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Post by marcus on Mar 27, 2010 7:14:55 GMT -5
I also work on cars and if the government makes EVERYONE who works on cars pay 100 dollars more to put a clutch in,i will pass that 100 bucks on to you.
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Post by marcus on Mar 27, 2010 7:17:25 GMT -5
Report health coverage on W-2 forms: Employers will have to report the value of an employee's health care plan on W-2 forms.
"This is not the value of your claims but the value of the coverage you elected," said Watts.
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