Good job Arizona

[marcus]

The feds wont do anything about it GWB didnt protect our boarders and HBO ant going to do it so the people are going to do it.



PHOENIX — Arizona lawmakers approved a sweeping immigration bill Monday intended to ramp up law enforcement efforts even as critics complained it could lead to racial profiling and other abuse.

The state Senate voted 17-11 nearly along party lines to send the bill to Gov. Jan Brewer, who has not taken a position on the measure championed by fellow Republicans. The House approved the bill April 13.

"This bill goes a long way to bringing law and order to the state," said Sen. Al Melvin, R-Tucson, who cited costly services provided to illegal immigrants and the recent slaying of a southeastern Arizona rancher near the U.S.-Mexico border as reasons for the move.

The new measure would be the latest crackdown in Arizona, which has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants and is the nation's busiest border crossing point.

Arizona enacted a law in 2005 making human smuggling a state crime and prohibited employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants with a law in 2007.

The latest bill would make it a state crime for illegal immigrants to not have an alien registration document. It also would require police to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally.

Other provisions allow citizen lawsuits against government agencies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws, and make it illegal for people to hire illegal immigrants for day labor or knowingly transport them.

Republican Sen. Russell Pearce of Mesa, who sponsored the bill, said it will take handcuffs off police and put them on violent criminals. "Enough is enough," Pearce said.

U.S. Sen. John McCain on Monday called the bill a "tool that I think needs to be used." His office later said that wasn't an endorsement.

[driveshaftgrunt]

Vee Demand to zee yur papers!!!!


FWIW.

videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/az-truck-driver-forced-show-birth-certifica

Dude was an AMERICAN citizen, and they held him until his wife brought his birth certificate...............WTF!

FWIW, New Mexico has a bilingual state constitution, written in Spanish and English. Something has to be done, because the current situation is unsustainable, legalize pot to destroy the drug cartels, broad amnesty, forced deportation of felons etc.


But demanding "papers" because of the "shoes" somebody wears is gonna do a few things:

1---Cause a bunch of cops to get sued.
2---Cause a bunch of cops to spend too much time on such BS.
3---Lose an entire demographic for the GOP.

[wplap]

Nazi Arizona. After voting down recognizing Martin Luther King Jr., now they pass this bastardization, Arizona has proven themselves a bigoted state. They should secede and take Texas with them!

[marcus]

Something has to be done about this.Its no big deal to be asked for your papers(Drivers license SS card) I have to show my papers all the time.
This has nothing to do with being a racist.

[marcus]

1992 Arizona voted for King day.

[driveshaftgrunt]

The issue is a matter of civil liberties.

The law allows the police to stop anyone and demand "papers" for no more than what the look like................Its not a reasonalble suspicion issue, and will not hold up in court if challanged.

They made this guys wife bring his birth certificate to them, based on nothing more than his "looking" like an immigrant....

[marcus]

This happened before this law was passed.

[marcus]

And it was federal not state.

[keithf]

i guess i'm a little naive, but i figured this was the law along and cops just looked the other way. whats wrong with making sure people that are here are supposed to be here??

[kessinger]

I am OK with them arresting an illegal they stopped for a legitimate reason. They SHOULD be doing this. But, Arizona and other states are full of people who don't "LOOK" American. If they stop one american citizen for no other reason than to check his papers then this thing need sto be scrapped. If you claim you hate Obama because he is taking our freedom, or you think terrorists hate us for our freedom then you shouldn't be supporting this. If they make one American citizen late for work checking paper, then we have lost our freedom in order to fix something else.

Immigration needs to be fixed, this ain't that fix. BIG FAT FINES on employers that hire them, the jobs dry up and then at least when you send em home they have no reason to return. If they can find work here they will always return. A fence wont keep em out, sending em back won't. Work is what brings em here.


So marcus, Obama is a Nazi because you think he is a socialist. Even though the Nazi party isn't realy known as a socialist party as much as they are mass murderers. Yet stopping people to check thier papers, which the Nazis where more known for, doesn't get the same response from you. Why not? Are these folks not Nazi's for doing something the Nazis did? That is your rational right? If you do anything a Nazi did you are one? The Nazi's also wanted a christian nation. So if you want a christian nation are you also a Nazi?

You missed me while I was gone didn't you?

[marcus]

I agree with you on HUGE fines on people that hire illegals that would be a good step.

HBO is like the socialist party and Hitler because they support more and more government control.I know HBO is not like Hitler on killing people.

I dont think they should just stop people for no reason or make them put a star on there jacket to mark them.But its a serious problem.Naw didnt really miss ya LOL.

[ScottR@KTP]

I don't think they should stop them...they should shoot them. LOL
Do you think that would curtail crossing the border? If they knew there was a chance they would be used for target practice, the numbers crossing would drop drastically.

[lucero]

I think my next vacation will be to Arizona, seems to me they are getting their s**t together. If I went to any other country and worked illegally my ass would be thrown out in a week!

[lucero]

Amen Scott, Lets start issuing licenses for illegal bounties, $10 a head captured and turned in to INS for deportation. Put people back to work!

[driveshaftgrunt]

Well, well, well. As RL Burnside would say....



Seems the guy that helped write/pass the law is buddy-buddy with the neo-Nazis.

I'm SHOCKED.


crooksandliars.com/


crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/profiling-arizona-legislator-russell

[marcus]

"He's also proclaimed that illegal immigrants have no rights under the Constitution"
This is a true statement.

Then they say his close pal might have had something to do with the neo nazis(so now it matters who your friends or backers are)


"but never could explain why he was reading material from the National Alliance in the first place"

Its a crime to read something now?

THey say he forwarded an article on immigration from a neo-Nazi news source to a bunch of his friends and associates.So what have you ever forwarded to your friends inprivate?

If Russell Pearce is shown or proven to be a nazi then I hope he gets voted out or removed from office.

Illegals have to go period!

[kessinger]

I will need to research this more, but they just reported that the law gives you the right to declare you are a citizen and refuse to show any proof or papers. IF this is true, what use is this law anyway.

Marcus, claiming Obama is kinda a Nazi because they both want more and more government is one of the few times I think you are just saying shitty things for the sake of being shitty. More Government has never been what comes to mind when you think Nazi, and it is not what defines Nazi in peoples minds. If you have read the platform of the Nazi party it also included: 1. being a Christian Nation
2. That only German could legaly be spoken
3. They wanted to deport all immigrants.
As a matter of fact their platform was very close to the platform of the RNC with the exception of socialism. But, calling republicans Nazi's for these reasons would be BS, as your claims are. The only real reason to claim someone is a Nazi is if they want to kill jews and hate everyone. THAT is what Nazi means to people, you know that but just want to hate Obama.

The whole nation needs to get away from the "you are on my side or you are a criminal" thing. I thought GWB was a terrible president but I don't think he wanted to tear our country down. I don't think he did things TO America I think he tried to do things FOR America they just weren't the right things. He was still my favorite world leader because he was OUR leader. You'll clearly don't look at it that way and that is sad. WHO is YOUR favorite world leader? If you can't say Obama what does that say about you?

[kessinger]

I think we all agree illegals gotta go.

Republican Myth #24 Who is the only American president to give Amnesty to illegal aliens? Ronald Reagan. I can hear all of Mexico that day saying "you mean if you sneak in Reagan lets you stay? YIPPPEEEEEE everyone get in the trunk we are headed to Texas."

[marcus]

Hitler is a self addmitted socialist.

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion

Germany had the world's strongest anti smoking movement in the 1930s and early 1940s,encompassing bans on smoking in public spaces, bans on advertising,restrictions on tobacco rations for women

Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.I have tons of history books at home.


Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.

Hitler championed the rights of workers, regarded capitalist society as brutal and unjust, and sought a third way between communism and the free market. In this regard, he and his associates greatly admired the strong steps taken by President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal to take large-scale economic decision-making out of private hands and put it into those of government planning agencies.

[marcus]

I cant say Obama is my favorite leader of the day,I dont agree with him on anything that I can think of.He lies to our face,he thinks gov regulation and gov growth is the answer.

I am for far less gov control and social control.Also Reagan was wrong with making the illegals Americans!

[marcus]

No obama was not just like Hilter,Id say he is more like stalin.Should have got the shirt with stalin and Obama instead of Hitler and obama.But most people wouldnt no stalins picture if they saw it.

[kessinger]

Good post marcus. I will have to research how much of this he enacted or did he just say it to get elected.

[kessinger]

Below are some excerpts from Adam Tooze covering the Germany Economic policies.

Hitler swapped from job creation to rearmament and saving agriculture. A.K.A. Reaganomics. Reagan turned the economy around through military spending and we all know how Rep. love a farm subsidy. The Nazi's also were against "protectionism" a favorite Republican Buzz word. The fact of the matter is you can find some similarities between any two leaders. That is why comparing Obama to Hitler is just the act of being shitty. Reagan isn't Hitler, neither is Obama or Bush or any other leader. Though Hitler was a self described socialist, Obama isn't. You guys named him that then claim he's like Hitler because he a socialist even though you are the ones that branded him as such. He didn't socialize health insurance he just required it. He hasn't socialized one single thing.



"As Adam Tooze has noted, Hitler in 1932 indicated his interest in job creation programs, and this of course required government spending. But once in power, his interest shifted from job creation to rearmament. This required even more government spending; and armaments rapidly increased. "The Nazi party did not adopt work creation as a key part of its programme until the late spring of 1932, and it retained that status for only eighteen months, until December 1933, when civilian work creation spending was formally removed from the priority list of Hitler’s government. . . [Work creation] was in sharp contrast to the three issues that truly united the nationalist right . . . the triple priority of rearmament, repudiating Germany’s foreign debts and saving German agriculture. . . It was Hitler’s action on these three issues not work creation that truly marked the dividing line between the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich."

"The German economy, like any modern economy, could not do without imports of food and raw materials. To pay for these it needed to export. And if this flow of goods was obstructed by protectionism and beggar-my-neighbour devaluations, this left Germany no option but to resort to ever greater state control of imports and exports, which in turn necessitated a range of other interventions."

[marcus]

rearmament and saving agriculture. A.K.A. Reaganomics

THis was not what Reagonomics was.

[ktpelec]

Apr 27, 2010 14:35:47 GMT -5 ScottR@KTP said:

I don't think they should stop them...they should shoot them. LOL
Do you think that would curtail crossing the border? If they knew there was a chance they would be used for target practice, the numbers crossing would drop drastically.

There is a lot of hate in that post. I believe that type of thinking gets the U.S. much closer to Hitler.
I agree the jobs are what the illegals are after, and that is the key to the problem. So who's children are going out in the fields for long hard low paying jobs instead of the illegals?

[TonyV]

In the late 1800's and early 1900's, Europeans poured through New York at a time during economic hardship. The Irish were looked upon as second class citizens. No one wanted them, but wanted their cheap services.

Now, a century later, our government has made it more difficult for those coming from the south to qualify to become citizens. If they would have come through Ellis Island, Mexicans would just have to sign their name. That is it. Now, they have to meet educational guidelines and prove some kind of reason for their Exodus from Mexico.(Religious or political persecution, etc.)

Maybe it is time to reapply what is written on our Statue of Liberty. Without that, our country has lost it's greatness.........

[TonyV]

The statue of Liberty's plaque says:


Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[kessinger]

Marcus,

NO republican likes to admit it. But, building more missles and tanks was Reagans version of TARP. He ran us in debt more than every other president before him combined. And he did that in a time of peace. It was a very smart way to use government spending to boost an economy and it worked well. There are military contractors in every state meaning the money would automaticly be distributed around the country. And it was a way to spend lots of government cash and still appear to be conservative. Like it or not, it IS what pulled us out of the dead economy Carter left us with. That is also what Hitler was doing. He rode into office on a poor economy and built a military to kick start Germanys economy.

Reaganomics WAS NOT lowering taxes to create jobs. As we have posted before he lowered taxes his first year and raised them every year after that.

And all Republicans love a good farm subsidy.

Reagan also made it legal to have an abortion in California leading to the death of millions, so thats kinda Hitler like to.


I ran around saying Reagan was Hitler like you guys do Obama you'd never speak to me again.

Note* How come Palin never uses her favorite "We need a president like Reagan" line when shes talking about Abortion?

[Deleted]

Blame NAFTA. Clintorus signed it, the union blames the Replubicans for it, the Mexicans came to the US because of it and our economy is shot because we have no jobs. This law Arizona has passed does not profile, if you take the time to read the whole dam thing it makes very good sense. Only if someone is stopped for illeagal activity can a LEO ask for documentation. How fucking hard is it to carry a 4"X6" piece of plastic on your person? I have never left home without some sort of ID, even when Im jogging I carry my ID so the coroner can identify the corpse that got smashed. This law not only "helps" cut down on illegal immigration, it also can deter terrorism. Or is it a coincidence that another middle easterner tryed to blow up more Americans....or does it make me racist to make that assumption?

[kessinger]

Wouldn't NAFTA send Jobs to Mexico and not Bring Mexicans here? Reagans amnesty bill in the 80's is the reason they come pure and simple. He allowed illegals to become citizens, now they all come here for the same deal.