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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 5, 2010 15:39:16 GMT -5
Who in their right mind would take a wage buy down? LMAO Your pension is based on your hourly rate...they can kiss my arse.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 15:39:57 GMT -5
If this is true, there will be no English speaking assemblers left on the floor. Jose can have it for $15 an hour.
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Post by brizzel on Oct 5, 2010 17:55:05 GMT -5
Wages get cut in half and our union dues will go to 4 hours instead of 2. lol
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Post by ktpnightshift4life on Oct 6, 2010 1:53:52 GMT -5
Been hearing about wage-cut buy outs. Such as 10 to 15 k per year you have in to cut your wage down to 15 bucks an hour. For example: 10 years will get you 150k if it's 15k per year. I also heard the Union wanted 15k and that ford wants 10k per year. Anyone heard about this? same old rumor that was going around last time. |
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Post by ktpschd on Oct 6, 2010 3:35:08 GMT -5
Soooo...15K per year times 22 years = $330,000 buy out. Hell, not only can Jose have my job, I'll pack his lunch and drive him to work! Hasta la vista, baby!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 6, 2010 3:47:05 GMT -5
Never happen...they want you to die on the line, not sit at home and draw a check (pension).
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Post by beenaround on Oct 6, 2010 7:22:52 GMT -5
15k for every year you have, to be dispersed in payments over the next 30 years
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Post by TheyCanDoThat on Oct 6, 2010 10:35:48 GMT -5
This was posted yesterday on BlueOvalNews.com under....
GM Orion Township seniority workers get screwed 40% of workers will drop to $15 an hour
Both the Detroit News & Free Press reported today that the GM Orion Township Plant will be cutting 40% of their workers pay. The plant used to make Pontiacs, and was closed last year. The union cut a deal with GM to retool the plant for a new Buick and mainly to move production of the Chevy Aveo from South Korea to this facility. In order to make a small car in the U.S. and still be profitable, the union agreed to let the company pay the highest 60% seniority keep their base wage, but the bottom 40% (11 years or less) will now be second tier workers and will be paid $15 an hour. The workers could not vote on ANY of this. If they don't want to return from layoff (almost one year) to this lower wage, then they can sign up to be transfered. Second tier wages were supposed to be for NEW hires and only for 20% max, but if the union concedes wages to get products, this sets a very dangerous precedent. Ford wants the same concessions as GM & Chrysler made, and this was one of the concessions made last year. It was a "small car" provision to try to still make a profit producing compact & subcompact cars in the U.S. The affected workers there are furious that the union sold them out. This is a GM plant, not Delphi or a parts plant. Imagine your local & the International agreeing to this for YOUR plant in order to get or keep a product and YOU have NO vote in the matter!
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Post by axleman on Oct 6, 2010 11:00:04 GMT -5
They wouldn't try to sell us out "AGAIN" would they?!
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Post by 30yearpace on Oct 6, 2010 13:32:35 GMT -5
I'm gonna go buy stock in KY and Vaseline!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 6, 2010 16:26:39 GMT -5
They misunderstand the 20% max...it's company wide...not plant wide...they can have one plant at 100% 2nd tier as long as it is still less than 21% company wide.
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2010 17:07:31 GMT -5
GM is a bankrupt company owned by the Government and the IUAW(VEBA). They cannot strike and have no real power over their own fate. Ford, on the other hand, is showing strong profit, paying down debt, has a CEO that has become a billionaire off of his Ford job, and a union that stands together when they vote! You're comparing apples and oranges now.
...........SAVE YOUR MONEY for Sept. 2011!!!!...................
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Post by TheyCanDoThat on Oct 6, 2010 19:00:50 GMT -5
Tony I agree with you 100%,but just saying....
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Post by ragtop69 on Oct 6, 2010 20:24:32 GMT -5
Obama would NEVER let a company he OWNS try to F his supporters who got his lying ass elected .......
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Post by buckeyeinky on Oct 6, 2010 20:53:21 GMT -5
he saved our contract from arbitration and saved your current wage anti union Mcbush would not have bailed your overpaid ass out !!!! lets not forget who was in office when the shit hit the fan
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Post by axleman on Oct 7, 2010 10:00:50 GMT -5
he saved our contract from arbitration and saved your current wage anti union Mcbush would not have bailed your overpaid ass out !!!! lets not forget who was in office when the shit hit the fan So let me get this straight Obama is our savior, he single handedly saved us from those evil Republicans who would have cut our pay or moved our jobs to Mexico! I supposed he'll save us from the BS union contracts that allow the lower tier employees to make half our current pay also. Maybe he is the Messiah, LOL. Both parties are corrupt don't believe all the IUAW BS that the Democrats are our protectors. They couldn't care less about the real working people of America. |
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Post by elmer on Oct 7, 2010 12:10:46 GMT -5
So let me get this straight Obama is our savior, he single handedly saved us from those evil Republicans who would have cut our pay or moved our jobs to Mexico! I supposed he'll save us from the BS union contracts that allow the lower tier employees to make half our current pay also. Maybe he is the Messiah, LOL. Both parties are corrupt don't believe all the IUAW BS that the Democrats are our protectors. They couldn't care less about the real working people of America.[/quote]
OK here's how it shakes out the dem or the repu have nothing to do with our current contract.
But the repub's would rather it be law that company's would not have to honor any contract or any work place rules.
The repub's really believe in a 2 tier system upper class and lower class. They see the middles class just taking form the upper and this will not do.
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Post by kessinger on Oct 7, 2010 12:31:26 GMT -5
No, Obama isn't our savior. As I have stated in otheposts, at the end of Bush's term we were laying people off and this plant had rolling downweeks. Just 2 years under Obama and we are working OT daily and some Saturdays and most laid off folks have had offers to goto work. (unfortunatly in different citys).
So did the stimulus work? At least for Ford workers it did. So when they speak of jobs saved, shouldnt we include ourselves in those "jobs saved". We certainly wouldn't still be rolling down weeks if trucks hadn't started selling. So half of us were saved somehow.
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Post by axleman on Oct 7, 2010 12:59:51 GMT -5
No, Obama isn't our savior. As I have stated in otheposts, at the end of Bush's term we were laying people off and this plant had rolling downweeks. Just 2 years under Obama and we are working OT daily and some Saturdays and most laid off folks have had offers to goto work. (unfortunatly in different citys). So did the stimulus work? At least for Ford workers it did. So when they speak of jobs saved, shouldnt we include ourselves in those "jobs saved". We certainly wouldn't still be rolling down weeks if trucks hadn't started selling. So half of us were saved somehow. So using your logic (working overtime and adding new jobs = support for your political party). Since Ford was working 10 hrs everyday plus Sat's during the 1980's ( under Rep's) then you should be supporting them. Your Union flunky logic is total BS! Both parties are corrupt and both parties couldn't care less about the working middle class. Can you at least admit that all the unions political activities for the Dem's has produced little to no change for the average working man in the last 40 yrs. Come on people think for yourselves. Also Ford was in a better position to weather the recession due to the restructuring it did several years ago. (before Obama) |
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Post by axleman on Oct 7, 2010 13:02:41 GMT -5
Dang, my karma took a hit! I'll blame it on W, LOL!
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Post by marcus on Oct 7, 2010 18:04:10 GMT -5
I was making much more money under the Republican ran congress in the 90s
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Post by buckeyeinky on Oct 7, 2010 19:05:47 GMT -5
with the greatest president of all time in office. you obama haters can repeat all the same fox news catch phrases all you want, but the FACT of this matter is that mcbush opps i mean mccain would have busted this union in a minute ( the the commercial says baron hill voted with obama to bail out those dam auto workers ) like mccain told the layoff auto workers in detroit "deal with it " so i guess this was YOUR SAVIOR ? keep voteing for the anti union right maybe i can buy your house on a short sale. p.s. yes it is stupid ass W 's fault www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY8wzwxWTc praise to the old savior |
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Post by ktpgal89 on Oct 7, 2010 19:30:15 GMT -5
with the greatest president of all time in office. LMAO |
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Post by JoePieper on Oct 8, 2010 0:28:24 GMT -5
Wow someone can put together bits and pieces of different speeches. How bout listne to each speech in its entirety so you can get the rest of it or maybe the context of what is being said. thats the problem on both sides. Everyone takes one little soundbite and takes it out of context and people fall for it.
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Post by Calvin@KTP on Oct 8, 2010 7:49:45 GMT -5
I guess everyone has forgotten about the letter passed around the Senate amoung the Repulican Senators advising the this was their chance to finally bust the unions for good.
Make no mistake...Republicans in general don't like or support unions. You can deny it all you want but it is a fact.
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Post by Calvin@KTP on Oct 8, 2010 8:14:05 GMT -5
Your idealism is admirable. However, this is a cut throat world and if the GOP gets a chance they will destroy the union. You just can't deny that.
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Post by bo862 on Oct 8, 2010 16:27:36 GMT -5
When someone believes this... "I think GM and most of the automakers in Detroit will never make money as long as they are unionized. If they went to a nonunion model they would have a chance of making money. I think their labor costs are twice what Toyota's are. I don't know how you compete with somebody when you have twice the labor costs." you can count on them not being reasonable when it comes to fair pay and benefits. They want to shut unions down. Not much sense in an organization negotiating to do away with itself. www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=549515 page 4 |
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Post by elmer on Oct 8, 2010 23:31:10 GMT -5
Wow Boe if that don't spell it out for them nothing will. But these guys will follow the Republican party into anything including busting the unions and cutting their own pay in half.
Remember just because they work here doesn't make them pro union, most of these guys are anti-union 100% and that hate paying union dues.
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Post by richatktp1 on Oct 9, 2010 1:37:18 GMT -5
The company offered a buyout of $100K to completely go away. Now its $10-15K per year and you keep your job for half the wage? I like my BOLONEY w/cheese & mayo on white bread.
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Post by ragtop69 on Oct 9, 2010 20:19:39 GMT -5
Just because I said Obama was a lying socialist piece of crap does not in any way mean or sound like I support bush or thr rep. party, I DO think the dem's are blindly supporting an agenda that is going to bankrupt our country so we will all be dependant on a broke welfare system.
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