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Post by lilbear on Aug 18, 2011 16:34:39 GMT -5
Will be HEARD on Sept. 15th & 16th. This is what we all have been waiting for.
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Post by bo862 on Aug 19, 2011 3:57:45 GMT -5
Of course the contract expires on the 14th. Any contract gurus know if we do not have an active agreement will they be able to deny the grievance procedure since we would not have a current contract?
Just trying to figure out the gain in waiting until one day after the current one ends.
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Post by Jr on Aug 19, 2011 6:31:07 GMT -5
Good point Bo
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Post by ktp399 on Aug 19, 2011 15:31:08 GMT -5
They will agree to extend the current contract until a new one is settled. This is what is commonly done.
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Post by lilbear on Aug 19, 2011 15:39:27 GMT -5
You have to give a 60 day notice in writing if the agreement is to be terminated by either side. So ktp399 is correct. We would work under an extension of the current agreement.
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Post by bo862 on Aug 23, 2011 21:00:20 GMT -5
The 60 day requirement is for an early termination. Sept 14 the contract ends unless both sides agree to an extension. I know that is the norm, but the grievance situation changes everything. The post by cobra8 shows the carrot they will try to lure us in with. I-UAW will tell us if we vote the contract in we may be able to win the grievance and get a cash payout. If not then the contract will end and we will get nothing from the grievance. I may be wrong about exactly how, but I know they have a reason for pushing it back past the contract; both IUAW and ford. “The union’s “equality of sacrifice” grievance has become a topic at the bargaining table with Ford, said one of the people. Ford is seeking to reduce labor costs while the UAW tries to recover what workers gave up to help U.S. automakers survive. UAW President Bob King has said members must be rewarded for concessions of $7,000 to $30,000 each since 2005” scottrlap.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rumors&action=display&thread=10544
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Post by vader on Aug 25, 2011 12:34:50 GMT -5
Ford Said to Face Hearing on UAW Complaint Tied to Negotiations
Ford Motor Co. (F) faces a Sept. 15 hearing on a complaint by the United Auto Workers that salaried employees didn’t sacrifice as much as hourly workers, said two people familiar with the matter.
The hearing before an independent arbitrator is scheduled for the day after Ford’s contract expires with its 41,000 U.S. hourly workers, said the people, who asked not to be identified revealing details of the grievance process. More than 35,000 Ford workers, who gave up pay increases and bonuses, signed the grievance last year after the company reinstated raises, tuition assistance and 401(k) matches for white-collar employees.
The union’s “equality of sacrifice” grievance has become a topic at the bargaining table with Ford, said one of the people. Ford is seeking to reduce labor costs while the UAW tries to recover what workers gave up to help U.S. automakers survive. UAW President Bob King has said members must be rewarded for concessions of $7,000 to $30,000 each since 2005.
“It’s going to be difficult to get anything else done with this hanging over the Ford talks,” Kristin Dziczek, labor analyst at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Michigan, said yesterday in an interview. “It will be tough to get a contract ratified if this is not resolved first.”
Union leaders discussed the equality of sacrifice grievance and its connection to contract talks at a meeting in Chicago last week, said Gary Walkowicz, a bargaining committeeman with UAW Local 600 in Dearborn, Michigan, who attended the session. ‘Big Issue’
“A lot of workers have been talking about this, it really has become a big issue,” Walkowicz said yesterday in a telephone interview. Ford Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally’s “exorbitant and excessive pay has people upset and feeling they are owed something by the company.”
Ford, the only major U.S. automaker to avoid bankruptcy, rewarded Mulally in March with $56.6 million in stock for leading the company’s turnaround. In addition, his 2010 compensation rose 48 percent to $26.5 million. King has called Mulally’s stock award “morally wrong” and “outrageous.”
John Stoll, a spokesman for Dearborn-based Ford, declined to comment on the matter. Michele Martin, a spokeswoman for the Detroit-based union, didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
Lawyers for both sides are trying to settle the grievance before it goes to an independent arbitrator, said one of the people. Workers want to receive a payment from the company to settle the dispute, the person said. Worker ‘Discontent’
“This is part and parcel of what the Ford workers are looking for in these negotiations,” Dziczek said. “On the back of this grievance, there’s a whole lot of discontent with executive pay.”
To help Ford, General Motors Co. (GM) and Chrysler Group LLC survive, UAW workers at the three companies surrendered raises, bonuses and cost-of-living adjustments. The union also agreed to a two-tier wage system, in which new hires earn about $14 an hour, half the amount paid to senior production workers.
Ford gave hourly workers profit-sharing checks averaging $5,000 this year after it earned $6.56 billion in 2010, the most in 11 years. Ford reported net income of $4.95 billion in this year’s first half. The company lost $30.1 billion from 2006 through 2008, as the economy crashed and fuel prices soared.
The arbitration hearing is scheduled to last two days, Sept. 15 and Sept. 16, the people said.
Negotiators for both sides will seek to avoid having that hearing and try to find a way to resolve the grievance at the bargaining table, Harley Shaiken, a professor of labor relations at the University of California at Berkeley, said yesterday.
“The issue of equality of sacrifice underscores some of the important economic issues at the table,” Shaiken said. “Both sides differ over what equality of sacrifice means. But the company is very aware that it is pivotal not just in dollars and cents, but as a morale issue.”
To contact the reporter on this story: Keith Naughton in Southfield, Michigan, at knaughton3@bloomberg.net
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Post by vader on Aug 25, 2011 12:36:13 GMT -5
Said it would be tough to get the contract to pass...you think? lol
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Post by Jr on Aug 25, 2011 12:43:29 GMT -5
I will Never vote Yes as long as this Is not settled! And By settled I mean not in the Contract.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Aug 26, 2011 7:08:56 GMT -5
absolutely....Bob King said this would be resolved before the contract was ever discussed...now we roll it in together? That's easy for me...NO!!!
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Post by JoePieper on Aug 26, 2011 13:16:05 GMT -5
Screw that. Give me a HELL NO
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Post by wplap on Aug 26, 2011 13:34:20 GMT -5
Where's all those "you-should-just-be-happy-you-have-a-job-people" Remember those days? Ahh, the memories... It's nice to see people on the same Fuck-This-Place page!! WE ARE UNION...and I am gonna take a smoke break because nothing is my job.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 15, 2011 11:19:28 GMT -5
Today is the day...so what's up Mr. Arbitrator?
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Sept 15, 2011 13:16:45 GMT -5
Come on $30,000!!!! LOL!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 15, 2011 13:19:37 GMT -5
Yeah you are right the hearing it is today and friday,but I was told by my committee man last nite in body that it could be 2 to 3 weeks or maybe a month before we know the results????WTF That means they could mingle it in with negotiations ???BULLSHIT WE should know something by monday I think,whether the company violated the contract!!Maybe not the whole agreement but at least let us know if they where found to be at fault!!!
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Sept 15, 2011 14:13:04 GMT -5
I am voting NO until it is finished. I don't care if we don't get a dime, but it should be settled before anything else.
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Post by lilbear on Sept 15, 2011 14:37:47 GMT -5
Metal man, it's two weeks for the arbitrator to give his ruling/brief. Then 30 days for implementation of his ruling. He could rule early,or he could take the whole two weeks. So what your committeeman was correct.
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Post by rushrush1 on Sept 15, 2011 14:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by kingofalldans on Sept 15, 2011 15:07:12 GMT -5
Yeah you are right the hearing it is today and friday,but I was told by my committee man last nite in body that it could be 2 to 3 weeks or maybe a month before we know the results????WTF That means they could mingle it in with negotiations ???BULLSHIT WE should know something by monday I think,whether the company violated the contract!!Maybe not the whole agreement but at least let us know if they where found to be at fault!!! From last memo, and if my memory serves me well. After Arbitrator gets the grievance, both Ford and the Union have 2 weeks to write up briefs. Then the Arbitrator could take another 30 days to review. This time frame would put us in November.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Sept 15, 2011 16:05:38 GMT -5
no grievance settlement...no contract. Bob King said we wouldn't even begin negotiations until the contract was settled....so for sure no agreement.....easy no vote.
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Sept 15, 2011 20:44:29 GMT -5
How much are yall thinking the grievance is going to be? Did the union say how much it was for?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 15, 2011 21:03:41 GMT -5
At the risk of sounding like a smartass which I totally am not where did you read this or how do you know how the greivence proceedings go?And if this is true it was going to be mixed in with the contract just like we all said back in march!True?
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Post by richatktp1 on Sept 16, 2011 23:43:01 GMT -5
I want my Jelly Of The Month Club.
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Post by liftman on Sept 16, 2011 23:54:41 GMT -5
it's the gift that keeps on giving richatktp 1
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