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Post by cobra8 on Aug 23, 2011 18:43:54 GMT -5
www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-23/ford-said-to-face-hearing-on-union-s-equal-sacrifice-complaint.html?cmpid=msnmoney A couple paragraphs: The union’s “equality of sacrifice” grievance has become a topic at the bargaining table with Ford, said one of the people. Ford is seeking to reduce labor costs while the UAW tries to recover what workers gave up to help U.S. automakers survive. UAW President Bob King has said members must be rewarded for concessions of $7,000 to $30,000 each since 2005 Lawyers for both sides are trying to settle the grievance before it goes to an independent arbitrator, said one of the people. Workers are hoping to receive a payment from the company to settle the dispute, the person said
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Post by rocketman on Aug 23, 2011 22:31:17 GMT -5
So, if it goes to an "independent arbitrator", is just a "recomendation" or it's settled??
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Post by ktp399 on Aug 24, 2011 1:38:48 GMT -5
settled
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Post by kbrundag on Aug 24, 2011 11:03:25 GMT -5
I think it's apparent we will be cut a check separate from any signing bonus. The only issue is how much... It will be small enough the Company will laugh at our weak assess for accepting it. Big enough the UAW will tell us what a great job they did with this and that it's the best we can expect during these tough times. Arbitration just means they both can throw up their hands and say sorry you got screwed...
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Post by JoePieper on Aug 24, 2011 13:12:51 GMT -5
Arbitration means that the IUAW signed away our Seventh Amendment right to trial by jury.
"In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."
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Post by brenteskridge on Aug 24, 2011 15:00:33 GMT -5
Holy shit JP, that was some good stuff right there.
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Post by cobra8 on Aug 25, 2011 20:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by JoePieper on Aug 25, 2011 21:40:45 GMT -5
I call BULLSHIT. The grievance should be seperate from the contract PERIOD. I've got my NO vote ready.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Aug 26, 2011 7:05:14 GMT -5
absolutely a no vote for me if they try this...said all along this was the plan.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Aug 26, 2011 10:58:12 GMT -5
I don't really expect to get anything from the grievance, but I will vote NO on any contract until it is settled. Come on UAW! If you say you are going to do something, then do it!
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Post by fordworker95 on Aug 26, 2011 19:42:32 GMT -5
I don't really expect to get anything from the grievance, but I will vote NO on any contract until it is settled. Come on UAW! If you say you are going to do something, then do it! exactly right,king and settles were the ones that said,this is not going away,they should be held accountable!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 16:17:19 GMT -5
Arbitration means that the IUAW signed away our Seventh Amendment right to trial by jury. "In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law." the seventh amendment only applies in cases at common law, like your quote says. the grievance is not an alleged violation of law but of our so called labor agreement. that is why the amendment doesnt apply.noone signed away anything.
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Post by JoePieper on Aug 28, 2011 16:22:45 GMT -5
Since our agreement is a contract and the company breached that contract it would in fact be a matter of civil law.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 17:23:27 GMT -5
Since our agreement is a contract and the company breached that contract it would in fact be a matter of civil law. thats not true. a civil suit that is over a violation of common law is different than a civil suit over a contract. a contract violation isnt a violation of common law since our contract is just that a contract, not a statute or some other common law. get it? civil suit and common law ,two different things joe
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Post by TonyV on Aug 28, 2011 20:06:15 GMT -5
You are correct ar15a2. The company and the IUAW have many avenues in which to decieve us for their mutual benefit. I hope everyone stands together contract time for the 41,000 active Ford hourly workers. The hourly of Ford Motor Company are the only ones left that will protect itself........we stand together but alone at the same time come September 14th at midnight.........
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Post by JoePieper on Aug 28, 2011 20:46:20 GMT -5
I stand corrected. My apologies. Thanks Tony
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