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Post by ktpregular on Sept 2, 2011 0:43:07 GMT -5
Heard today that in contract negotiations, they want to offer $15, ooo combined with the grievance. All that we gave up to stay the same. A big fat HELL NO! Please spread the word. We need all that we had plus $15,000 to boot! Yes , $15,000 is alot of money, but damn, we could get that in the grievance alone. We need what we had, PERIOD!
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Post by laidoff on Sept 2, 2011 0:59:22 GMT -5
i am a realist and the way i see it is that we are going to pass what international presents to us. If we strike it looks bad for us and the company. we are not going to get a raise because it looks bad on the company and us. The econony is bad and alot of people are out of work. We will get a bigger sign on bonus than normal because a bonus is better than a raise in the publics eye, and the company "wants to keep their costs down". We will not strike and your hell no broke ass will not risk your savings to stand on the picket line for $20 a week.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Sept 2, 2011 2:04:15 GMT -5
no guarenteed raise or COLA...it's a no for me regardless of the signing bonus. Who wants a big bonus that they take 40% of after taxes and witout a raise in 8 years we would be looking at no raises in 12 years after this contract. Easy no for me.
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Post by lap65 on Sept 2, 2011 6:25:46 GMT -5
I don't believe there will be a strike, I also don't believe anything without some givebacks will pass. We know we are not going to get everything back this time if ever, but there has to be something besides a bonus, we always get a signing bonus, so what is the bonus on top of that for the ESG? We have already proven that we can say no without a strike.
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Post by simonsays on Sept 2, 2011 9:40:32 GMT -5
Ford and the UAW's national contract will expire one day before an arbitration hearing over the union's long-festering grievance over whether white-collar and blue-collar workers have benefited equally in the company's turnaround.
David Grissom, a Detroit attorney who was selected to arbitrate the dispute, will hold a Sept. 15 hearing on the matter, according to a person familiar with the matter. The contract expires Sept. 14.
"It is an interesting date," said Kristin Dziczek, director of the labor and industry group at the Center for Automotive Research. "The real issue is that 35,000 of nearly 41,000 UAW members signed that grievance petition and they will want to see some results from this process."
The dispute began in 2010 when Ford reinstated merit-pay raises and matching 401(k) contributions for salaried workers, but not hourly workers. The UAW argues Ford should give hourly workers similar rewards under a clause in the current labor contract that requires equal sacrifices and gains for all Ford workers.
Last January, Ford management agreed to pay an average $5,000 to each UAW worker in profit-sharing, although the formula set forth in the current contract only obligated the company to pay an average of $3,000. Still, workers have continued to point to CEO Alan Mulally's 2010 compensation package of $26.5 million as evidence of inequality between hourly and salaried pay structures.
The timing of the hearing could provide both sides with an incentive to wrap a negotiated settlement of the grievance into the broader contract.
"I don't think they can be resolved separately," Dziczek said. "I think both sides would rather control the outcome rather than send it to an arbitrator."
The UAW can only strike Ford during this round of contract negotiations. It agreed not to strike General Motors or Chrysler through September 2015 as a condition of those companies' bankruptcy restructurings.
Union accountants are reviewing financial records to determine how much additional compensation they will consider sufficient, said the person with knowledge of the proceedings.
Those numbers are expected to be ready a week before the contract's expiration and the hearing date, and a settlement could come around that time as part of contract negotiations, the person said. A satisfactory settlement would eliminate the uncertainty that would come in arbitration.
Bloomberg News first reported the arbitration hearing date.
Jimmy Settles, the UAW's top Ford negotiator, told the Free Press last week a tentative hearing date had been set for late September.
Automakers and the UAW can agree to extend contracts past an expiration date to continue negotiations. Still, UAW President Bob King told Ford union leaders last week he believes a deal can be reached with Ford by Sept. 14.
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Post by trinitus on Sept 2, 2011 12:04:45 GMT -5
I don't know Laidoff, I think since the contracts have started the general people have realized how long we have went without a pay raise. Yes, some may say that we don't deserve one but from what I hear most agree that we deserve some sort of pay raise. I think a strike right now would only look bad on Ford, not the UAW. Ford has raked in million's if not billions since 2010 or late 2009. I agree a strike would hurt us in the short term but in the long term it would hurt Ford more.
With all that said, my take is simple. 1. We need at least a 1% pay raise the first year of the contract. 2. Grievance should be settled separately from the contract. 3. COLA needs to be reinstated plus at least .75cent's needs to roll over into our base pay. 4. Christmas bonus needs to be reinstated ( in lieu of pay raise a $1,000.00 bonus should be given). 5. Instead of the day after Easter holiday, our birthday should be the lost holiday we get (that way Ford doesn't lose time on the line). 6. A sign on bonus of at least $10,000.00 should be offered.
I know we won't get any of that so that is why I am voting NO. In order to get my yes vote those things I listed should be on the table.
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Post by pmooret on Sept 2, 2011 18:05:41 GMT -5
Folks, don't forget that salary workers outnumber us two to one. When the company reinstated white collar benefits they didn't even bat an eye. But when it comes to us they piss and moan and cry the blues and we have to file a grievence for a workforce that is half of what theirs is. They look like a bunch of drama queens.
And that's all it is, DRAMA. Don't fall for it, send them an Oscar and vote NO.
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Post by ktpelec on Sept 2, 2011 19:28:47 GMT -5
It's the other way around, approximately 40,000 hourly vs. 21,000 salary North American Ford workers. The number makes no difference though, it's the violation of the agreement.
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Post by dbdjimmyz on Sept 2, 2011 20:09:36 GMT -5
I work for a supplier for KTP also a uaw company and I actually hope like hell you guys dont just sit back and let Corp. rick roll you guys. As much as a strike would hurt me and my family as unemployment isnt much I dont want to be a part of a "Union" that lets corp treat us like their bishes....
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