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Sept 7, 2011 11:41:36 GMT -5
Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 7, 2011 11:41:36 GMT -5
Rumor has it from a bigwig in the IUAW seen at the labor picnic that WE are getting COLA back!But that is just what I was told from somebody that talked to this said person??
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Sept 7, 2011 11:45:05 GMT -5
Post by lewis on Sept 7, 2011 11:45:05 GMT -5
As in a coke cola!
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Sept 7, 2011 11:51:34 GMT -5
Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 7, 2011 11:51:34 GMT -5
Most likely youre right lewis.Thats what rumors are.
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Sept 7, 2011 12:06:59 GMT -5
Post by lewis on Sept 7, 2011 12:06:59 GMT -5
I appreciate your contribution, I was just being an ass, because quite frankly I don't see us getting much at all! I'm hoping we don't lose a lot! Keep hearing we need to cut cost! Cutting cost is a funny topic when you're pay out in stock options and or cash bonus of 83,000,000! I'm not like most, saying he's not worth 83,000,000 I feel your worth what somebody is willing to pay you! It's just hard to understand if the brains behind the making us profitable again, is getting his big bonus then we deserve a big bonus! It would not be possible without us! So pay us accordingly!
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Sept 7, 2011 12:23:01 GMT -5
Post by reedycreekbuc on Sept 7, 2011 12:23:01 GMT -5
He gets paid a CEO salary. You get an assembler salary. He makes big decisions. You make a decision to come to work or not. He is the highest paid automotive CEO. We are the highest paid assemblers. Do they really owe us a raise? The market will only pay so much for a worker with our skills.
Just playing devil's advocate, but it is something to think about.
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Sept 7, 2011 12:27:01 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 12:27:01 GMT -5
He gets paid a CEO salary. You get an assembler salary. He makes big decisions. You make a decision to come to work or not. He is the highest paid automotive CEO. We are the highest paid assemblers. Do they really owe us a raise? The market will only pay so much for a worker with our skills. Just playing devil's advocate, but it is something to think about. I see both sides, but imagine what kind of shape we would be in if Nasser were still in control.
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Sept 7, 2011 12:41:58 GMT -5
Post by reedycreekbuc on Sept 7, 2011 12:41:58 GMT -5
We would be out on the street.
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Sept 7, 2011 12:47:10 GMT -5
Post by lewis on Sept 7, 2011 12:47:10 GMT -5
He gets paid a CEO salary. You get an assembler salary. He makes big decisions. You make a decision to come to work or not. He is the highest paid automotive CEO. We are the highest paid assemblers. Do they really owe us a raise? The market will only pay so much for a worker with our skills. Just playing devil's advocate, but it is something to think about. That's why I said pay us accordingly!
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Sept 7, 2011 12:47:29 GMT -5
Post by Ktp1989 on Sept 7, 2011 12:47:29 GMT -5
He gets paid a CEO salary. You get an assembler salary. He makes big decisions. You make a decision to come to work or not. He is the highest paid automotive CEO. We are the highest paid assemblers. Do they really owe us a raise? The market will only pay so much for a worker with our skills. Just playing devil's advocate, but it is something to think about. You make a valid point, but here is where I have the issue...Alan pushes that "One Ford One Team" bs all the time and as far as his 27 million salary we can't even relate to that so it's no worth discussing in my opinion, but where I have the issue is when it's profit sharing time and they tell us that the average worker gets 8% of their salary in profit sharing. If the numbers were real simple lets say the average worker made 100,000k last year and got a 8% percent profit sharing which would be about $8,000. Now if we are "One Ford One Team" then Alan M. should get his 8% on his 27 Mil or about $2.2 million in profit sharing. I could live with that because he gets the same percentage as everyone else based on what they earned last year. But what does he get...$54 million which is a 200% profit sharing....wow, would I have loved to have gotten a $200,000 profit sharing based on the salary we used in this example...because should we not share in the success of the company at the same rate he has...since we all actually took cuts in this process.
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Sept 7, 2011 13:40:12 GMT -5
Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 7, 2011 13:40:12 GMT -5
I think Ford knows there has to be COLA to get it passed, plain and simple.
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Sept 7, 2011 16:38:12 GMT -5
Post by ihatemyjob on Sept 7, 2011 16:38:12 GMT -5
He gets paid a CEO salary. You get an assembler salary. He makes big decisions. You make a decision to come to work or not. He is the highest paid automotive CEO. We are the highest paid assemblers. Do they really owe us a raise? The market will only pay so much for a worker with our skills. Just playing devil's advocate, but it is something to think about. The president of the United States makes $250,000. The president of Ford makes $86 million. I see a major problem with that. i would say the president of United States makes some pretty major decisions too. The president of a company should be making no more than $5 million tops. Not like he is doing anything groundbreaking anyway. All he is doing is what Bill Ford didnt have the heart to do, cut jobs and put people out of work and take money out of employees pockets.
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Sept 7, 2011 17:02:27 GMT -5
Post by pmooret on Sept 7, 2011 17:02:27 GMT -5
Reedycreekbuc, I realize that you're using the phrase that the company uses about the market will only pay so much for a person with our skills, but they don't have to raise the price of the vehicle to give us back our raises, just reallocate what's coming in!
Nassar was their mistake.
Ktp1989, I totally agree with you. The same percentage rate should be used for all employees.
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Sept 7, 2011 17:49:25 GMT -5
Post by fordmakesnosense on Sept 7, 2011 17:49:25 GMT -5
i heard we are getting a bunch of firestone atx tires as a bonus in the contract
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Post by ktpelec on Sept 7, 2011 21:36:47 GMT -5
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Sept 8, 2011 14:05:27 GMT -5
Post by mazroth on Sept 8, 2011 14:05:27 GMT -5
I appreciate your contribution, I was just being an ass, because quite frankly I don't see us getting much at all! I'm hoping we don't lose a lot! Keep hearing we need to cut cost! Cutting cost is a funny topic when you're pay out in stock options and or cash bonus of 83,000,000! I'm not like most, saying he's not worth 83,000,000 I feel your worth what somebody is willing to pay you! It's just hard to understand if the brains behind the making us profitable again, is getting his big bonus then we deserve a big bonus! It would not be possible without us! So pay us accordingly! Was he worth what he paid? I dont think so. He is the one who put out the One Ford plan, whats it mean, we are all one Ford, all in it together, he gets the big payouts, we dont, we gave up stuff, he didnt, what did he do? Did he save Ford, NO. Did he secure the loans, NO. What did he do, he was more or less the executioner brought out to do some chopping.
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Sept 8, 2011 19:09:21 GMT -5
Post by akiotoyoda on Sept 8, 2011 19:09:21 GMT -5
He gets paid a CEO salary. You get an assembler salary. He makes big decisions. You make a decision to come to work or not. He is the highest paid automotive CEO. We are the highest paid assemblers. Do they really owe us a raise? The market will only pay so much for a worker with our skills. Just playing devil's advocate, but it is something to think about. Mr Akio Toyoda of Toyota earned 1.74 million last year which includes his perfomance bonus of $306,500. Mr Mullaly continues to explain how Ford workers earn roughly 3.00 more an hour total compensation yet we hear nothing of him earning roughly 53 MILLION more than the CEO of Toyota. When he is willing to work for what the Toyota CEO works for I am willing to work for what the Toyota assemblers/skilled trades work for, until then NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
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Sept 8, 2011 22:47:46 GMT -5
Post by marcus on Sept 8, 2011 22:47:46 GMT -5
Yep mullaly needs to be paid equal to his conterpart of toyota.I say no till we get paid big time.
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Post by ktpelec on Sept 9, 2011 8:39:45 GMT -5
To the original post, I would like to see COLA returned, along with a certain wage percentage every year of the contract.
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Sept 9, 2011 11:29:42 GMT -5
Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 9, 2011 11:29:42 GMT -5
Easy and cheap way for Ford to pass it...COLA and 1% raise all 4 years with a clause that they can't re-open contract during the 4 years...period. If they offered that with a $5000 signing bonus...done deal.
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Sept 9, 2011 11:38:52 GMT -5
Post by Ex-metalman on Sept 9, 2011 11:38:52 GMT -5
That clause would be great!!!Never worked at another UNION CO.Where the could open the contract up anytime that they deemed necessary??Thats Bullshit.Thought thats what a CONTRACT was an agreement until the ending date?
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