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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 5, 2011 6:28:43 GMT -5
How many of you feel like we ought to lower our expectations in regards to the grievance now? If this is the best deal our leaders can get for us, should we have any faith in them winning a grievance for us? I have officially lost all faith in them doing anything that gets us anything back that we TEMPORARILY gave up. It was supposed to be temporary...but starting to seem permanent, huh? Biggest joke of a contract yet and too many people will be blinded by dollar sign bonuses, promises of jobs, investments in the U.S. and so on. Ford has offered us nothing but broken promises...and the I-UAW is no different. They have been sharing the same mattress for WAY too long. The best thing that could happen to the I-UAW is for someone like Gary Walkowicz of Local 600 to be our next leader and get back some of the things we have given up. After listening to Settles at the press conference yesterday, I am pretty sure neither King nor Settles will ever achieve much as our UAW President. Vote NO!
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Post by bo862 on Oct 5, 2011 7:06:18 GMT -5
The grievance was a dog and pony show. We will receive nothing from it. Of the few people I spoke to about the contract none said they were going to vote against it.
This contract shows they do not listen or care about members. We need to decertify the uaw and either create our own negotiating team or hire teamsters or any other union for that matter. The one we have now is selling us out to maintain equilibrium with bankrupt companies.
If a lawyer does not represent you or your interests you fire them and hire new ones right? Why should it be any different for this group of lawyers? Just because they have the name with “union” in it doesn’t mean we are legally bound to pay for their services. Fire the uaw and find someone that will fairly represent us.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 5, 2011 7:15:25 GMT -5
I hate to admit it, but I still had a little faith in them bringing back COLA...I was duped...last time.
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Post by trinitus on Oct 5, 2011 9:07:45 GMT -5
If we decertify the UAW, I think we have to wait at least a year before we can even begin to try to unionize again. Just think of all the BS that the compnay will try to do in that time frame.
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Post by elmer on Oct 5, 2011 10:03:37 GMT -5
If we decertify the UAW, I think we have to wait at least a year before we can even begin to try to unionize again. Just think of all the BS that the compnay will try to do in that time frame. I wish this was an option because we have no say so in our union and never will. The Union is concerned with keeping it's self in tack. The IUAW looks out for themselves and the shit runs down from there. The Local Building Chairman doesn't want to rock the boat so he can get his 7 days 12 hours a week pay. Bargainers want to be number 1 so they can get the Chairman's overtime whens he off or out of town. and on and on and on.
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Post by jefflebowski on Oct 5, 2011 11:16:03 GMT -5
We need to recall king. Not decertify IUAW. Gary, we need help!
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Post by Dr. Death on Oct 5, 2011 11:55:08 GMT -5
Scott, if we lower our expectations anymore than they already are for the Grievance or our Union, than we will be right where they want us. 6 feet under. Don't think we can get much lower than that.
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Post by whiner862 on Oct 5, 2011 11:57:24 GMT -5
I am not happy either with the way this has come out, but really, decertify the IUAW, there will be no contract in place at that time and we all will be making 19.50 in the end of that, and as far as the Teamsters, wow that would be a real joke! I don't know what the answer is but that is not it. We got No cola No raise Grievance not settled 10% of profit sharing into VEBA Money up front, $6000 is really $3420 and little lumps for next 3 years, If i remember correctly didn't they take the last 2 lump sums from our contract a while back before the contract ended. All these things alone are more than enough to vote NO! There are some good things in there, but they do not out way these things i have listed. Inflation is going up and we don't get shit in our check on a hour to hour basis, that is not going to fly!!
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Post by Jr on Oct 5, 2011 12:02:17 GMT -5
Guys Rememeber there is Nothing in there for Retiree's or future Retiree's also
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 5, 2011 12:05:08 GMT -5
Retirees lose Christmas bonus from what I heard...more bullshit
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Post by bo862 on Oct 5, 2011 18:17:54 GMT -5
I agree decertifying the iuaw is really risky.
The only other option I see would be to reform the “contract” (the constitution) between members and the IUAW by first giving the constitutional delegates a means to communicate without interference from international. This way all plants can send the delegates to the convention on the same page and be able to stand united (sad that union members have to use that phrase against its own “leadership”) so that no plant is singled out for not voting in favor of the IUAW. If you do not understand that line I will explain in the last paragraph in this post.
The first step would be to create a democratic process at the convention by allowing the delegates to vote with a secret ballot. This way the IUAW will not be able to target plants of the delegates with promises/threats of product placement, shift changes or plant closures.
From here we can begin implementing changes to the constitution to align their interests more with ours in the name of shared sacrifice. My best example would be to add a statement along these lines; In order for the IUAW leadership – the board - to receive a raise is if the membership also receives one for that same year. Of course changes could be made to the way leaders are elected and so on.
We do not have a silver bullet, but we have to start somewhere. Decertify (which I really don’t like) or begin the process of changing the constitution to make them answer to us.
When delegates vote, they do it in front of the board so that they can see how each plant votes. If one or two plants stand out from the rest the leadership knows who the dissenters are. What this means is if an issue, or person is up for a vote anyone that doesn’t vote the way IUAW wants runs the risk of having their plant targeted for reprisals from international. For the same reason you don’t want to vote openly for a losing team leader you do not want to vote against those that influence job or product placement.
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Post by mazroth on Oct 5, 2011 19:18:12 GMT -5
I didnt read anything above yet, I scrolled down to post, I talked about this today at work.
Grievance, what did we file it for, because they got it back, and we didn't. So, now we have a contract to agree on with Ford, and the grievance is not settled. Why would the arbitrator give us anything if we agree to things with Ford again?
No vote for me, unless we get more stuff back, w/o givebacks. They need to have this grievance settled first, if not, I want it all back just like they got.
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Post by ktploner on Oct 5, 2011 23:03:27 GMT -5
Just got an email from IUAW talking about informational meetings. The email clearly stated that they were able to win almost every economic issue the members had mentioned. Shouldn't we take them at their word and vote yes on the awesome contract they bargained?
Hell NO! No raise, no true cola, no holidays, breaks, or anything else we gave up, but they addressed the members concerns, right? Bob king is way out of touch without a doubt. However, now is not the time to blame him. We need to organize and figure out how to improve this shit they put in front of us and truly address the members concerns and settle this grievance so we can all move on with our lives.
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Post by leroybrown on Oct 9, 2011 11:08:13 GMT -5
IF THEY CAN HAVE A TWO TIER WAGE , THEN WHY SHOULD WE PAY TWICE THE DUES THESE GUYS DO THEY GET SAME REPRESENTATION AS WE DUE FOR HALF INTERNATIONAL HAS $1.08 BILLION IN FUND AND ABOUT THAT IN STRIKE FUND I THINK ITS TIME UNION GIVE BACK IN THESE HARD TIMES
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Post by leroybrown on Oct 9, 2011 11:32:44 GMT -5
IF THEY CAN HAVE A TWO TIER WAGE , THEN WHY DONT WE PAY SAME UNION DUES AS THEY DO THEY GET SAME REPRESENTATION AS WE DO BUT FOR HALF .THE INTERATIONAL HAS $1.08 BILLION IN IT NOT COUNTING WHAT STRIKE FUND HAS IN IT .ITS TIME THE UNION GIVES BACK IN THESE HARD TIMES OF 10% UNEMPLOYMENT WHY DOESNT INTERNATIONAL GIVE UP THE SAME PERCENT OF LOST WAGES AS WE HAVE .THEY WOULD WORK HARDER FOR US .SINCE ARE DUES PAY THIER WAGES WE SHOULD CONTROL IT
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