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Post by TonyV on Oct 5, 2011 23:10:54 GMT -5
The equity of sacrifice letter of understanding is not in this contract. It has been marked out.(page 079C) This was the letter of understanding that we based our grievance on.
With this being removed - there is no legal basis for the grievance to be heard. Once ratified, everything in it that does not appear in writing in the contract is gone for good. The is no hearing with an arbitrator if we agree to get rid of this letter of understanding. Even if there was a hearing, it would be thrown out.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Oct 5, 2011 23:31:01 GMT -5
We need to spread the word about that.Thats a bunch of horse shit .
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Post by Jr on Oct 6, 2011 1:13:19 GMT -5
see my post and question in Lap forum
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Post by dave7293 on Oct 6, 2011 2:28:11 GMT -5
The page for what TonyV is talking about..... is marked 079C but on the PDF format it`s page 329 of 562 ....this will make it easy for you to find . Thanks TonyV for having our backs.....maybe we should be giving you our 2hrs pay each month. ;D
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Post by catfan50 on Oct 6, 2011 3:47:59 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me why my committeeman told me that the grievance had been heard last month? I dont remember the dates he used but it was somewhere in the middle of the month. He also said that after it was heard there was a 2 week period where both sides could file briefs. Then the arbitrator had 30 days to make his decision. So if that was true than shouldn't we hear something around the end of the month.
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Post by ktploner on Oct 6, 2011 6:22:21 GMT -5
Just a guess, but the equity of sacrifice grievance was supposed to be heard on Sept. 15 and 16. As you and everyone else understood it was, because no one was told any different. I was told the same thing in the office and also by my committeeman, and I am positive that he told me what he was told. This is just another example of the lack of communication and the complete lack of a connection between the IUAW and the rank and file!
From the way it was explained to me, the rest of what you said is true. As we all found out when the higlights came out, the grievance had been pushed back to November, which is a total crock of shit! Tony is absolutely right...if this contract is passed, the grievance is dead and will never be heard. I would just assume work under our current contract (like we should have anyway) until the grievance is heard.
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Post by mikeh on Oct 6, 2011 8:31:45 GMT -5
There is another letter of understanding that, to my knowledge, is what the national grievance was based upon, which is seperate from the letter cited above. The letter I'm referring to is titled "Equality of Sacrifice" (not the Equity of Sacrifice). It's on page 438 of the 2007 Letters of Understanding. As far as I'm aware it's still active and is NOT due to be removed, and, if this is true, then the grievance should be unaffected by the striking of the "Equity" letter.
There seems to be some confusion over the Equality letter and the Equity letter as they pertain to the grievance. Many people don't know that there are 2 seperate letters, and since the grievance was based on the "Equality", then the striking of the "Equity" should have no effect.
Unless of course if the "Equality" letter was struck during the reopening of the 2007 agreement, which seems unlikely since it was the whole basis of an active grievance.
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 8:57:09 GMT -5
The new letters of understanding are in the back of this contract. I do not see it. Post it for everyone to read. I will not take the IUAW's word on it.
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Post by dave7293 on Oct 6, 2011 8:59:04 GMT -5
There is another letter of understanding that, to my knowledge, is what the national grievance was based upon, which is seperate from the letter cited above. The letter I'm referring to is titled "Equality of Sacrifice" (not the Equity of Sacrifice). It's on page 438 of the 2007 Letters of Understanding. As far as I'm aware it's still active and is NOT due to be removed, and, if this is true, then the grievance should be unaffected by the striking of the "Equity" letter. There seems to be some confusion over the Equality letter and the Equity letter as they pertain to the grievance. Many people don't know that there are 2 seperate letters, and since the grievance was based on the "Equality", then the striking of the "Equity" should have no effect. Unless of course if the "Equality" letter was struck during the reopening of the 2007 agreement, which seems unlikely since it was the whole basis of an active grievance. Think about what you said...2007 agreement is void as soon as the 2011 agreement is past and any unresolved issues are void. This has always been the norm with all past contracts at Ford.
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Post by mulewrong on Oct 6, 2011 9:04:38 GMT -5
The equity of sacrifice letter of understanding is not in this contract. It has been marked out.(page 079C) This was the letter of understanding that we based our grievance on. With this being removed - there is no legal basis for the grievance to be heard. Once ratified, everything in it that does not appear in writing in the contract is gone for good. The is no hearing with an arbitrator if we agree to get rid of this letter of understanding. Even if there was a hearing, it would be thrown out. The grievance is based on 2009 contract mod's, so regardless if they remove a portion from the new contract, the grievance was based on 2009 language.
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Post by TonyV on Oct 6, 2011 9:10:23 GMT -5
This agreement will over ride 2007 and 2009 mods. It will be accepted as a resolution if agreed to.
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Post by mikeh on Oct 6, 2011 11:04:29 GMT -5
There is another letter of understanding that, to my knowledge, is what the national grievance was based upon, which is seperate from the letter cited above. The letter I'm referring to is titled "Equality of Sacrifice" (not the Equity of Sacrifice). It's on page 438 of the 2007 Letters of Understanding. As far as I'm aware it's still active and is NOT due to be removed, and, if this is true, then the grievance should be unaffected by the striking of the "Equity" letter. There seems to be some confusion over the Equality letter and the Equity letter as they pertain to the grievance. Many people don't know that there are 2 seperate letters, and since the grievance was based on the "Equality", then the striking of the "Equity" should have no effect. Unless of course if the "Equality" letter was struck during the reopening of the 2007 agreement, which seems unlikely since it was the whole basis of an active grievance. Think about what you said...2007 agreement is void as soon as the 2011 agreement is past and any unresolved issues are void. This has always been the norm with all past contracts at Ford. There are Letters in the 2007 Volume IV Letters of Understanding that date to 1976 and beyond. Unless a Letter is struck out, it remains. And the Letter in question that's proposed to be removed for the 2011 agreement is not the Letter that the grievance is based on. The Letter relevent to the grievance is in 2007 Letters of Understanding, Volume IV, page 438, that, unless it is struck out also, will carry over onto the 2011 contract much like some other letters have done for the last 40 years.
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Post by ktpsparky on Oct 6, 2011 13:32:45 GMT -5
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