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Post by tryingtomakeit on Oct 11, 2011 7:35:29 GMT -5
First off, I think its pathetic that in this whole contract only one group of people in the system are going to see a raise. Maybe Im an idealist, but if we're in a union, then everybody should get the same thing, or nobody gets anything. That said, the highlights state that the co. and union will discuss staffing of the TL jobs. IMHO, this has to be done by bid. If these jobs are going to pay more than the current .50, they need to be staffed by seniority.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 11, 2011 7:43:51 GMT -5
I agree...but there are two groups getting raises on our floor...new hires and team leaders.
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Post by beenaround on Oct 11, 2011 7:44:13 GMT -5
I believe bid jobs are determined by seniority aren't they?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 11, 2011 7:46:59 GMT -5
You are talking about TL(s) getting over a 5% raise when many of us will go 12+ years with no raise. That's taking resentment to a whole new level...bringing morale even lower on the shop floor. Ford is getting their wish by pitting the employees against one another. Bidding them by seniority is the only right way to do it when you are talking about a position paying over $31 an hour.
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Post by jamesktp on Oct 11, 2011 11:47:48 GMT -5
I am a TL and i also think we all get a raise or no one ,but dont try to split us up .We are all the same.
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Post by Goldneye38 on Oct 11, 2011 13:18:48 GMT -5
I'm with you James but these do not need to be bid jobs.
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Post by marcus on Oct 11, 2011 17:27:35 GMT -5
Yes they need to be bid jobs period
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 11, 2011 18:49:14 GMT -5
If we are talking about jobs paying $31+ an hour (if this isn't another lie), seniority has to be used when dealing with jobs paying nearly 8% more than assemblers ARPed out...total horse shit if seniority isn't used.
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Post by jamesktp on Oct 11, 2011 19:22:42 GMT -5
Why would you want a union person this so called new TL giving you your days off,paying you, going to meeting . Just say it make them a supervisor. This way the company can pin it all on the TL. AND THE UNION CANT SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE IT S ONE OF THEIR OWN.WIN WIN FOR FORD. LEAVE THING AS THEY ARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bucketman on Oct 11, 2011 19:53:21 GMT -5
Vote this pig down and we dont have to worry with it for awhile....
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Post by 86gn on Oct 11, 2011 20:36:48 GMT -5
Yes they need to be bid jobs period AGREED!!!!!! One of the points of a union shop is to have the ability to get better and/or higher paying jobs with seniority. All the TL jobs should be bid out and NO ONE grandfathered in... IMO Also and I may be wrong but I think its 1.50 over base pay not including arps
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Post by fuckugettelfinger on Oct 11, 2011 21:11:48 GMT -5
We are not Team Concept at KCAP yet. Could someone tell me how this crap works? I have been told that team leaders are voted on by the team.....seniority dosen't matter. Is this true?
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Post by bo862 on Oct 11, 2011 22:30:10 GMT -5
In the past the plant determines if the position is bid or elected.
I have worked both, and I would rather take my chances with a lazy high seniority person than be stuck in a system that I have to support the winning tl or be screwed until the next election.
As far as it being a part of the union structure it is terrible because it pits us against each other, and creates the same type of mess that we have in national politics; one group against another.
Not all teams are like this, my current team is not bad, but if you get a bad team it is far worse than dealing with a lazy sack.
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Post by Goldneye38 on Oct 12, 2011 4:18:21 GMT -5
Why would you want to be stuck with a lazy, high seniority person that wont work for the team and you cant get rid of if hes the highest bidder? If hes voted in and doesnt do his job, vote him out. Dont get me wrong I feel like we all need a raise not just TL's and I will vote NO on this junk contract.
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Post by Grimace on Oct 12, 2011 5:01:43 GMT -5
"Why would you want to be stuck with a lazy, high seniority person that wont work for the team and you cant get rid of if hes the highest bidder? If hes voted in and doesnt do his job, vote him out."
The job name and the description is different at our plants. At KTP if you elect someone that has difficulty performing the job, you vote them out. At LAP if they have difficulty, they get penalized by management all the way up to disqualification. Both scenarios take care of themselves, but the nod to seniority rather than popularity gets my vote. IMO The need/assignment for union co-workers to "team-up" and penalize another co-worker's income and job classification should NEVER have been allowed by any local. It creates unwanted division and drama in a work area and is counter-productive. The desire by the company to go to a team leader concept is not an effort to create harmony amongst the workforce, but as a cost cutting, pass the buck tool to reduce the number of needed supervisors per area.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 12, 2011 6:21:26 GMT -5
Great post Grimace...and it was great seeing you Sunday.
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Post by rocketman on Oct 12, 2011 12:05:31 GMT -5
What actually is a job of a team leader? I'm going by a team leader and upgrader are different positions. Is a team leader just considered to be an "ASSistant to the line supervisor? Does he just do attendance, make sure everybody is at their jobs at start up and then manage the utilities? Oh, and give periodical pep talks to everybody and makes sure there are gloves in cabinet???
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Oct 12, 2011 12:18:06 GMT -5
This was the last job description I had at KTP. Someone else may have a newer one.
A team leader is accountable for the operational and administrative aspects of the team, including progress toward quality and production goals, shift start up, overtime, vacation scheduling with management approval, record keeping, team training progress, safety and housekeeping. He or she is the communication liaison between team members and other internal and external support functions. They are also suppose to plan, organize and facilitate team meeting to resolve quality, competitiveness, and production-related issues in the spirit of continuous improvement.
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Post by brizzel on Oct 12, 2011 12:26:58 GMT -5
we haven't had a team meeting in years at KTP.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Oct 12, 2011 12:30:36 GMT -5
You are correct brizzel, and the union should have asked to start them back up.
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Post by ktploner on Oct 13, 2011 2:05:07 GMT -5
Yeah, you should also try to get a team leader voted out! You would have an easier time getting Mr. Settles and Mr. King to negotiate a contract for us that may actually help the rank and file members instead of giving us some quick cash to keep quiet!
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Post by TonyV on Oct 13, 2011 2:11:23 GMT -5
Amen ktploner! I believe we shared the same problem....
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Post by ktpgurl on Oct 13, 2011 9:55:23 GMT -5
I want a say in who my team leader is....I don't want a team leader for "life".
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 13, 2011 10:22:15 GMT -5
We are gonna be on strike soon...will there be team leaders out on Chamberlain Lane? If they make 8% more...I want my $216.
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Post by 86gn on Oct 13, 2011 15:14:56 GMT -5
We are gonna be on strike soon...will there be team leaders out on Chamberlain Lane? If they make 8% more...I want my $216. HOpe not!!! but yes TL will get more,lol
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Post by mazroth on Oct 13, 2011 15:33:28 GMT -5
Yes they need to be bid jobs period Agreed, one reason Im back at LAP. Quality Leaders responsibilies have increased alot, least at LAP, from once being called upgraders, not QL, hence the pay increase. But, a Quality Leader/Team Leader should not have the right to give days off. What if this Leader is off, sick, etc...That means the Utility/Awol relief would be giving days off, this all would be way wrong, time off is for the supervisor to do. And for the part of raises, we all deserve one.
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