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Post by grimbold on Oct 14, 2011 8:52:19 GMT -5
...are not coming back. See a grief counselor. Accept it, deal with it, move on.
They will not be back if we strike. Ford will replace us before even thinking about coming up off their $58 all-in number.
They are not coming back!
End of story
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 14, 2011 9:09:27 GMT -5
You just made the whole thing sound easy and clear cut for me...I'm now voting YES.
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Post by Jr on Oct 14, 2011 9:10:05 GMT -5
Lol
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Post by grimbold on Oct 14, 2011 9:14:38 GMT -5
lol sorry, man, it's just what I believe to be true. It's what I would do if I were at the top.
Course, I've been wrong about plenty of crap before, so who knows? ;D
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Post by thintwowin on Oct 14, 2011 10:10:51 GMT -5
They shouldn't have filed the grievance then. Man did they mess up on that.
Wait salary people got there past concessions back?(lucky them)
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Post by grimbold on Oct 14, 2011 10:30:45 GMT -5
I expect a pittance from the grievance, if anything at all. And salary getting their stuff back was a deliberate slap in the face to us. Quite the insult. In fact, it's almost enough to make a man do something stupid. Or just over half of them, anyways.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 14, 2011 10:44:59 GMT -5
Actually they slashed the salary work force during that period of cost cutting. I never thought the grievance had any chance, just a move to pressure Ford.
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Post by dave7293 on Oct 14, 2011 10:52:31 GMT -5
...are not coming back. See a grief counselor. Accept it, deal with it, move on. They will not be back if we strike. Ford will replace us before even thinking about coming up off their $58 all-in number. They are not coming back!End of story Jimmy is that you.. ?... Don`t worry we forgive you for your last threat so you don`t have to hide.....LOL
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Post by grimbold on Oct 14, 2011 11:24:48 GMT -5
No dave, understanding that we are where we are partly because of what we gave up and that Ford isn't going to give those things back anytime soon makes me a realist, not IUAW. If they don't throw us out on our asses, then they may throw us a bone but nothing substantial is going to be added.
The risk to our lifestyles is not worth a bone. Not in this economy.
Fiddle away, though, fella. If I'm wrong, it's all good, we're all happy. If I'm right, though, we're all screwed.
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Post by rocketman on Oct 14, 2011 13:15:35 GMT -5
I would say some concessions will GRADUALLY come back, such as some amount in COLA. I doubt we will ever get that Monday after Easter, though. I think retirees will get less and less or have to pay more and more. Now I'm referring to all future contracts. It's just how businesses and companies now work. More $$$ for the CEO and board members and the people with the easy office jobs. As for me, I'm NON SKILLED, but I like it that way. I don't want a job where I have to be creative and do silly projects that are never seen. I don't have to think up ways to increase production and decrease costs. At Ford on the assebly line you basically show up, whether you are high or intoxicated, be there at start up, do your job and don't stop the line.
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Post by unchained on Oct 14, 2011 14:20:12 GMT -5
I just had our meeting and from what I gathered is this: Ford and UAW weren't allowed to discuss anything about the concessions due to the pending Grievance. lawyers on both sides wouldn't allow it. It was marked out of the contract because they couldn't discuss it, they couldn't sign and agree on something they weren't allowed to negotiate. So if this agreement gets voted down and the things we want back to pass the agreement are the concessions than Ford still cant discuss that and we would be left only with striking. Which wouldn't be good for any of us. They did say its possible the arbitrator will give those things back but it is up to the arbitrator. The grievance process takes time and even after the Nov 17,18 date , Ford has 45 days to give closing arguments and after that the arbitrator has 45 days to rule on it. So the grievance wont be settled probably until after the first of the year. Our current contract is expired, we voted down the 2009 amendments and we just continued on our existing contract. This isn't the case right now we are on an expired contract and voting it down we are without a contract. We wont just continue along with our old contract. Voting this down will ultimately end with a strike for at least 3 months but probably longer. This isn't a scare tactic, just the facts.
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Post by ktpsparky on Oct 14, 2011 14:26:34 GMT -5
I just had our meeting and from what I gathered is this: Ford and UAW weren't allowed to discuss anything about the concessions due to the pending Grievance. lawyers on both sides wouldn't allow it. It was marked out of the contract because they couldn't discuss it, they couldn't sign and agree on something they weren't allowed to negotiate. So if this agreement gets voted down and the things we want back to pass the agreement are the concessions than Ford still cant discuss that and we would be left only with striking. Which wouldn't be good for any of us. They did say its possible the arbitrator will give those things back but it is up to the arbitrator. The grievance process takes time and even after the Nov 17,18 date , Ford has 45 days to give closing arguments and after that the arbitrator has 45 days to rule on it. So the grievance wont be settled probably until after the first of the year. Our current contract is expired, we voted down the 2009 amendments and we just continued on our existing contract. This isn't the case right now we are on an expired contract and voting it down we are without a contract. We wont just continue along with our old contract. Voting this down will ultimately end with a strike for at least 3 months but probably longer. This isn't a scare tactic, just the facts. What meeting?
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Post by thintwowin on Oct 14, 2011 14:30:18 GMT -5
I just had our meeting and from what I gathered is this: Ford and UAW weren't allowed to discuss anything about the concessions due to the pending Grievance. lawyers on both sides wouldn't allow it. It was marked out of the contract because they couldn't discuss it, they couldn't sign and agree on something they weren't allowed to negotiate. So if this agreement gets voted down and the things we want back to pass the agreement are the concessions than Ford still cant discuss that and we would be left only with striking. Which wouldn't be good for any of us. They did say its possible the arbitrator will give those things back but it is up to the arbitrator. The grievance process takes time and even after the Nov 17,18 date , Ford has 45 days to give closing arguments and after that the arbitrator has 45 days to rule on it. So the grievance wont be settled probably until after the first of the year. Our current contract is expired, we voted down the 2009 amendments and we just continued on our existing contract. This isn't the case right now we are on an expired contract and voting it down we are without a contract. We wont just continue along with our old contract. Voting this down will ultimately end with a strike for at least 3 months but probably longer. This isn't a scare tactic, just the facts. What meeting? Why doesn't are union tell us things like this? All lies and secrets!
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Post by ktpsparky on Oct 14, 2011 14:34:40 GMT -5
...are not coming back. See a grief counselor. Accept it, deal with it, move on. They will not be back if we strike. Ford will replace us before even thinking about coming up off their $58 all-in number. They are not coming back!End of story This isn't exactly the point I was making yesterday, but similar. I think a lot of people are not separating the issues pertaining to "Equity of Sacrifice" and the terms of this contract. If the terms of this contract are laid out side-by-side with GM and Chrysler contracts, we got a way better deal. That being said, the IUAW has a BIG problem with credibility and trustworthiness now that they have gone ahead and negotiated a contract before the "Equity of Sacrifice" grievance was settled. These actions are completely contrary to what they promised the membership just a few months ago. Furthermore, they should have been more forthcoming with the ongoing status of the "Equity of Sacrifice" grievance.
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Mr Happy
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Hope your friggin happy with your YES vote:(
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Post by Mr Happy on Oct 14, 2011 14:36:49 GMT -5
Voting this down will ultimately end with a strike for at least 3 months but probably longer. This isn't a scare tactic, just the facts. Damn your good, any insight on the lotto Sat? ?
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Post by ktpsparky on Oct 14, 2011 14:37:27 GMT -5
Why doesn't are union tell us things like this? All lies and secrets! .....the IUAW has a BIG problem with credibility and trustworthiness
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Post by grimbold on Oct 14, 2011 14:47:21 GMT -5
.....the IUAW has a BIG problem with credibility and trustworthiness Seconded! Thanks, unchained. That's an interesting angle they came up with. Of course, given the IUAW's fondness of pattern bargaining and unwillingness to create any sort of competitive disadvantage for anybody, I seriously doubt they would have tried to restore anything even if they could talk about it.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Oct 14, 2011 16:09:35 GMT -5
They may not come back but they will give us more money Ill bet!!!You reallty cant believe that they can replace us and still make money do you?I dont have a strike fund or a big savings account but I do know I can withdrawl from my tesphe in an emergency so I say FUCK NO !!!!!!!Strike it up
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Post by ktpt on Oct 14, 2011 16:48:17 GMT -5
Paycheck in the bank...life is good
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Post by grimbold on Oct 14, 2011 17:15:51 GMT -5
They may not come back but they will give us more money Ill bet!!!You reallty cant believe that they can replace us and still make money do you?I dont have a strike fund or a big savings account but I do know I can withdrawl from my tesphe in an emergency so I say FUCK NO !!!!!!!Strike it up I honestly don't know what sort of contingency plans Ford has and what they can "afford" to lose. Rest assured that Ford knows, though. They know what inventory they have on hand, they know about how long it would take to get back up to speed. They also know that they wouldn't have to replace everyone. Hopefully they'll just sweeten the pot and sway enough over, though.
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