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Post by simonsays on Oct 14, 2011 13:05:23 GMT -5
Brothers and Sisters remember you are in a union and a strike is always possible unless you rollover when they tell you too. So if you know every four years there is a contract and a possible strike and there is always a possible layoff why do you live pay check to pay check? We make good money so quiet buying stupid stuff and make a special emergency account just for this stuff. I wonder if the voting would be different if everyone had a six month emergency fund setup? So if you dont know in 4 years there will be another contract and it will probably be worse than this one. So go set up a account and get you a Dave Ramsey book and learn a little about money so you don't stink so much like FEAR when its contract time. Just some advice to help us all out.
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Post by dave7293 on Oct 14, 2011 13:32:51 GMT -5
Brothers and Sisters remember you are in a union and a strike is always possible unless you rollover when they tell you too. So if you know every four years there is a contract and a possible strike and there is always a possible layoff why do you live pay check to pay check? We make good money so quiet buying stupid stuff and make a special emergency account just for this stuff. I wonder if the voting would be different if everyone had a six month emergency fund setup? So if you dont know in 4 years there will be another contract and it will probably be worse than this one. So go set up a account and get you a Dave Ramsey book and learn a little about money so you don't stink so much like FEAR when its contract time. Just some advice to help us all out. Dave Ramsey is the real KING!!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 14, 2011 13:42:28 GMT -5
Someone hit the nail on the head...I pissed a lot of people off on the UAW Facebook page with the same kind of posts. Could not tell you how many told me that if we went on strike and they lost their house, it was my fault for voting no. I told one lady that if she went bankrupt due to a strike to look in the mirror to point blame...needless to say, she no longer likes me.
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Post by thintwowin on Oct 14, 2011 15:07:51 GMT -5
I still have all My tax returns from this year. Plus a little more. You got to know when contract year is and prepare.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Oct 14, 2011 15:33:45 GMT -5
Brothers and Sisters remember you are in a union and a strike is always possible unless you rollover when they tell you too. So if you know every four years there is a contract and a possible strike and there is always a possible layoff why do you live pay check to pay check? We make good money so quiet buying stupid stuff and make a special emergency account just for this stuff. I wonder if the voting would be different if everyone had a six month emergency fund setup? So if you dont know in 4 years there will be another contract and it will probably be worse than this one. So go set up a account and get you a Dave Ramsey book and learn a little about money so you don't stink so much like FEAR when its contract time. Just some advice to help us all out. Dave Ramsey is the real KING!! Absolutely the truest statement I have seen on this site...spot on.
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Post by drivefordough on Oct 14, 2011 16:21:35 GMT -5
I'll admit it. Your damn right it's fear. Fear that the same people that brought us this crappy agreement will be the ones going back to the bargaining table. What have King and Settles done to give you any confidence that they can negotiate a better agreement for us? I think this agreement is entirely unfair given the ridiculous compensation given to the big wigs in this company. King tried to shove concessions down our throat just months before Ford posted profits. Afraid? Hell yes! At this point I am inclined to just take what we can get and hope the next group we vote in will get us a better deal in 4 years!
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Post by ktpt on Oct 14, 2011 16:30:57 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more driveford. It's hard to win the war when the General and Lt General are not on your side. Be smart ppl and know when to fight your battles. IMO this is not the time
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Post by Shrek on Oct 14, 2011 16:33:47 GMT -5
Whats that saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink any. There are people writing about saving money in the Online and on this form all the time but you still have people living paycheck to paycheck. Things seem to never change!
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Post by mustcmedrink on Oct 14, 2011 16:33:49 GMT -5
Brothers and Sisters remember you are in a union and a strike is always possible unless you rollover when they tell you too. So if you know every four years there is a contract and a possible strike and there is always a possible layoff why do you live pay check to pay check? We make good money so quiet buying stupid stuff and make a special emergency account just for this stuff. I wonder if the voting would be different if everyone had a six month emergency fund setup? So if you dont know in 4 years there will be another contract and it will probably be worse than this one. So go set up a account and get you a Dave Ramsey book and learn a little about money so you don't stink so much like FEAR when its contract time. Just some advice to help us all out. my favorite Dave Ramsey quote...."only in America can you drive a Jaguar and not have money to put gas in the tank"
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Post by brenteskridge on Oct 14, 2011 18:59:47 GMT -5
Is it just me or does it seem like the IUAW is doing shit to just piss people off so much to vote NO due to their actions and comments?
I'm not saying that the info wasn't correct, but it was the timing of the delivery of the message. I know my issue is that Ford can afford and that the IUAW top dogs should have pushed harder for a few other things that we gave back to help FMC get out of the hole. I don't expect a raise but would it have killed them to give us a larger Xmas bonus, add the 1 min break back to us and maybe cola.
In my opinion, I think these are some of the issues that is causing the problems of this contract not passing. Right now, do what's best for you and your family.
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Post by elmer on Oct 14, 2011 19:13:30 GMT -5
Brent; your right we could have approved this overwhelming had the IUAW just put back a few things that we gave up, like the 1 minute break and maybe a small cola or X-Mas bonus. The signing bonus was good as was the $3700 up front Profit sharing (except for LAP). But if they would have added a few of those item it would have passed with no problem.
We know whats going to happen with that grievance once this is passed and that makes allot of us pissed as well.
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Post by mustcmedrink on Oct 14, 2011 19:13:36 GMT -5
Is it just me or does it seem like the IUAW is doing shit to just piss people off so much to vote NO due to their actions and comments? I'm not saying that the info wasn't correct, but it was the timing of the delivery of the message. I know my issue is that Ford can afford and that the IUAW top dogs should have pushed harder for a few other things that we gave back to help FMC get out of the hole. I don't expect a raise but would it have killed them to give us a larger Xmas bonus, add the 1 min break back to us and maybe cola. In my opinion, I think these are some of the issues that is causing the problems of this contract not passing. Right now, do what's best for you and your family. agree, but my main gripe is the taking of the retirees Christmas bonus. Just disgusting, not sure which is worse, Ford asking for it or UAW agreeing to it. I will not go look my dad in the face on Christmas day knowing I voted yes to taking 700 out of his pocket. I will lose my job and everything I own over it. I can live with everything else, but I WILL NOT vote to take one nickel away from a retiree when the CEOs are cashing million dollar bonuses and the UAW international clowns are getting raises, wont happen, sorry to everyone else but you have to stand for something and that is it. God help us all 10-15 years from now when these teir 2 guys are raping our retirement benefits. KARMA IS A BITCH!
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Post by thintwowin on Oct 14, 2011 19:35:43 GMT -5
I feel the same way. We are voting on taking away from people who already did there time. They get no vote. This should be not be legal. Just wrong.
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Post by brenteskridge on Oct 14, 2011 20:02:31 GMT -5
Don't take this wrong but I have said this before and I haven't changed my tune when I say that the grievance is and has been a dog and pony show. They need to stop lying to us about it. It's not worth the paper it was written on. The last time they gave us information it was going to be heard on the 15th/16th of September. Now it's going to be heard on the 17th/18th of November. Just tell us what we already know. Let's be done with it.
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Post by jagr2 on Oct 14, 2011 20:09:07 GMT -5
Just curious, really. Strike benefits are 200 a week. How long can each of you carry this on? Its a serious question , the answer is different for each of us. In other words how long of a strike have you prepared for?
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Post by mustcmedrink on Oct 14, 2011 20:56:20 GMT -5
Just curious, really. Strike benefits are 200 a week. How long can each of you carry this on? Its a serious question , the answer is different for each of us. In other words how long of a strike have you prepared for? Im prepared for 4 to 6 months. If it goes beyond that who knows. I have something lined up if this goes down. Hope & pray it doesnt but if it does I will figure out a way to take care of my family. People figure out away to live on alot less than what I make, Im sure I can do the same. I understand some dont feel this way and dont want this fight but I have drawn my line in the sand on this retiree issue. So yes I will risk it all over a 700 dollar Christmas bonus, if you dont feel like you can or dont want to I do not have any ill feelings toward you, just beware that 10-15 years from now when you and I are retired these tier 2 guys will be raping our pensions and benefits to get a raise or bonus. And if all of us have learned one thing from this it is this. DO NOT RETIRE DEPENDING ON YOUR PENSION OR SOCIAL SECURITY, its not gauranteed, it WILL NOT go untouched by the contracts of the future, and in the not to distant future you wont have the gift of voting on it!!
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Post by elmer on Oct 14, 2011 21:05:40 GMT -5
The men who came before us and secured us the things we have taken for granted, received no strike pay they did what they thought was best for the future of all Auto-workers. Not only did they not get strike pay some had a hard time feeding their family's. Now I look around me and just wonder what happened.
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Post by TonyV on Oct 14, 2011 23:35:15 GMT -5
Brothers and Sisters remember you are in a union and a strike is always possible unless you rollover when they tell you too. So if you know every four years there is a contract and a possible strike and there is always a possible layoff why do you live pay check to pay check? We make good money so quiet buying stupid stuff and make a special emergency account just for this stuff. I wonder if the voting would be different if everyone had a six month emergency fund setup? So if you dont know in 4 years there will be another contract and it will probably be worse than this one. So go set up a account and get you a Dave Ramsey book and learn a little about money so you don't stink so much like FEAR when its contract time. Just some advice to help us all out.
Great post!!
It is the best feeling in the world to know "Your Good" when life is not. I applaud your post. I wish more of the membership took your insight to heart. It would be easier to stand on principle and not economics.
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Post by trinitus on Oct 15, 2011 0:16:39 GMT -5
Me personally, I have been in contact with a former emplyer. I gave them plenty of notice when I left there and I can go back to them if need be. Won't skip a beat if we strike and I already have the option to leave if we are allowed to go back to Ford. Remember people to never burn your bridges in life. This is something King and Settle's need to learn.
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