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Post by Tesla on Oct 17, 2011 15:33:45 GMT -5
Many of you will vote YES to this contract the next 2 days; remember to call your retired relatives and apologize for taking their Christmas bonus and denying them a raise for the next 4 years. Should be interesting talk around the turkey, unless you cower there also. Perhaps you didn't realize you were also voting yourself a paycut since you're a future retiree yourself. Don't worry, I'm sure the Tier 2 workers will have our backs. When Ford declares their Quarterly earnings at the end of the month, along with the special 12-15 bil they soon have to declare (contract says we can't claim any of it for profit share) many will feel very foolish. My boss says he gets his bonus soon and to remember to vote yes. Truthfully, he did.
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Post by watchmen on Oct 17, 2011 16:48:30 GMT -5
I'm not apologizing for anything tough guy. My vote is my decision with absolutely no regrets. U got a problem with the lackluster contract write a letter to IUAW about your displeasure with the agreement. Don't take it out on your fellow rank and file. My Thanksgiving will be just fine but thanks for your concern.
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Post by Tesla on Oct 17, 2011 18:55:01 GMT -5
I'm not apologizing for anything tough guy. My vote is my decision with absolutely no regrets. U got a problem with the lackluster contract write a letter to IUAW about your displeasure with the agreement. Don't take it out on your fellow rank and file. My Thanksgiving will be just fine but thanks for your concern. I have, and I will again. Having spent time amongst them a few times believe me when I say the IUAW is using our current bargaining power to hopefully create jobs to increase their coffers; which then can be used to expand/maintain the UAW. On the service we say, Go Labor, but why should 45k workers be responsible to support the other 360k? Doesn't FORD presently have the most earning potential of all UAW represented companies? The IUAW has tried to maintain pattern bargaining at our expense. Sadly our retiress have NO VOTE!
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Post by ktpgal89 on Oct 17, 2011 19:01:01 GMT -5
I'm not apologizing for anything tough guy. My vote is my decision with absolutely no regrets. U got a problem with the lackluster contract write a letter to IUAW about your displeasure with the agreement. Don't take it out on your fellow rank and file. My Thanksgiving will be just fine but thanks for your concern. I have, and I will again. Having spent time amongst them a few times believe me when I say the IUAW is using our current bargaining power to hopefully create jobs to increase their coffers; which then can be used to expand/maintain the UAW. On the service we say, Go Labor, but why should 45k workers be responsible to support the other 360k? Doesn't FORD presently have the most earning potential of all UAW represented companies? The IUAW has tried to maintain pattern bargaining at our expense. Sadly our retiress have NO VOTE! Great post!! Everyone has forgotten WHO (retirees) has fought to get us the benefits we have today and who we are selling out..shame on those selfish people!!
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Post by watchmen on Oct 17, 2011 19:35:37 GMT -5
So if your that passionate about those that voted yes ( against your vote I assume) to the contract at the expense of retiree xmas bonus than use your signing bonus and give ito to the retiree in your family to make up for it. That would be a unshelfish act from a person who voted no.
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Post by justmefornow on Oct 17, 2011 19:42:47 GMT -5
Sorry watchman but that seems like a cop out to me...it's not just about the retirees as you put it. When they hire all the 2nd tier workers do you really think they are gonna have our back??? It's just going to pit them against us. It was our time to stand up and have a voice but too many chickened out and just went along with the program and took the easy way out.
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Post by ktpgal89 on Oct 17, 2011 20:00:28 GMT -5
Sorry watchman but that seems like a cop out to me...it's not just about the retirees as you put it. When they hire all the 2nd tier workers do you really think they are gonna have our back??? It's just going to pit them against us. It was our time to stand up and have a voice but too many chickened out and just went along with the program and took the easy way out. ditto
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Post by watchmen on Oct 17, 2011 20:19:37 GMT -5
It's not a cop out my friend. The die was cast 3 years ago when we gave in to concessions. I voted no. The membership felt different. Now in 2011 this is the end result. Between the incompetent leadership up north and the current economic climate do u truly have faith that we weould end up in a better position after a prolonged strike? The only ones who have chickened out is our leaders who negotiated this agreement. There must be a leader we believe in before we stand and fight.
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Post by lapjohn1 on Oct 17, 2011 20:23:45 GMT -5
sorry, but this won't be tolerated...edited by ScottR
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Post by justmefornow on Oct 17, 2011 20:47:43 GMT -5
They may have brought the contract to us but we didn't have to vote yes!!! That is a cop out. I hope I'm wrong but I see the 2nd tier workers making out like bandits now and in the future and we'll be begging them to look out for us...and what will be get? A slap in the face!!! The so called contract summary left out ALOT of details...which is wrong!
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Post by justmefornow on Oct 17, 2011 20:50:31 GMT -5
Do you really think they would stike??? Absolutely not!!! The quality is where they want it, they have our backs against the wall...we could have had theirs against the wall but we puked out AGAIN~~!
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Post by Tesla on Oct 17, 2011 21:29:14 GMT -5
Gee whiz. Threatened with physical violence cause of how I may voted. That's what's wrong with this social media sight. It's always LAP's way or the highway. Or maybe a sore lip. No violence on my end Highwayman, I appreciate your honest dialogue. We did indeed start dropping the ball 3 years ago when we didn't address the "what if's" of the future. Regardless, I voted NO; I don't believe it was a fair contract, especially with Ford's projected earnings. I knew we'd have some YES votes from people who didn't start budgeting their money, or never do; and would run scared when the propaganda started flying. Others however have frankly surprised me, I felt the membership as a whole would send it back and ask for a reworking of the contract. IMHO I think most of the promised jobs were coming back to North America anyway, the world's becoming a dangerous place.
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Post by Tesla on Oct 17, 2011 21:36:53 GMT -5
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Post by coconut on Oct 17, 2011 23:46:56 GMT -5
to watchmen, I hope you are one of those people that have to work to the day you die, because you are too selfish now.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 18, 2011 4:25:37 GMT -5
Too funny, guess they missed that in their sales predictions. LOL
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Post by lap65 on Oct 18, 2011 4:55:24 GMT -5
So as you can see the UAW did not negotiate bringing jobs back from Mexico, they were going to do it any way & if they ever get the drug lord problem fixed down there they will send those those jobs right back over the border. And no watch man we would not have gone on strike, we can only strike over health & safety issues, not wages. The IUAW put that story out there to scare people into voting yes and it worked, we should never trust them again.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 18, 2011 5:42:20 GMT -5
to watchmen, I hope you are one of those people that have to work to the day you die, because you are too selfish now. Now although this doesn't fall into the name calling or a threat...hoping someone has to work until they die isn't exactly a friendly gesture...lmao.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 18, 2011 5:47:36 GMT -5
The UAWs problems started long ago, with American politics. To quote Walter Reuther; "the way to the breadbox is through the ballot box" If the working middle class could put aside social issue differences and get behind congressional and presidential candidates that would actually represent them, change would come.
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Post by dave7293 on Oct 18, 2011 6:34:27 GMT -5
The UAWs problems started long ago, with American politics. To quote Walter Reuther; "the way to the breadbox is through the ballot box" If the working middle class could put aside social issue differences and get behind congressional and presidential candidates that would actually represent them, change would come. It would be nice if we could have a vote in our national union leadership...Walter is turning over in his grave right now at the corruption in the IUAW. And as far as congressional and presidential candidates that would actually represent us.......Good luck !! I have not found to many on either side (DEM&REP) and I refuse to be a sheep and always vote the way the union wants. There is no way always voting Dem is going to solve our problems . You can`t tell me that 100% of the time the Dem party is right....that is foolish. We need a strong third party. If you look at US history when we had 3,4, and even 5 parities more got done in 4 years then has gotten done in the last 40 years.
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Post by allforone on Oct 18, 2011 6:52:36 GMT -5
the days of the union actually protecting the membership are over, they are only looking out for means to support there own lavish spending..... any non-union plant i.e. toyota would be fools to accept the uaw. not a proud day to be a member
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 18, 2011 7:02:18 GMT -5
The UAWs problems started long ago, with American politics. To quote Walter Reuther; "the way to the breadbox is through the ballot box" If the working middle class could put aside social issue differences and get behind congressional and presidential candidates that would actually represent them, change would come. It would be nice if we could have a vote in our national union leadership...Walter is turning over in his grave right now at the corruption in the IUAW. And as far as congressional and presidential candidates that would actually represent us.......Good luck !! I have not found to many on either side (DEM&REP) and I refuse to be a sheep and always vote the way the union wants. There is no way always voting Dem is going to solve our problems . You can`t tell me that 100% of the time the Dem party is right....that is foolish. We need a strong third party. If you look at US history when we had 3,4, and even 5 parities more got done in 4 years then has gotten done in the last 40 years. It would be nice to see new delegates that lack fear and can resist the pressure to obey or be beheaded. But honestly, none of this matters as long as we are big shareholders...crippling our ability to negotiate.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 18, 2011 9:12:08 GMT -5
The UAWs problems started long ago, with American politics. To quote Walter Reuther; "the way to the breadbox is through the ballot box" If the working middle class could put aside social issue differences and get behind congressional and presidential candidates that would actually represent them, change would come. The IUAWs leaders, whomever they may be, won't have the power to make significant gains for union workers unless there's change in future legislation. No matter how many "balls" they have, todays corporate labor tactics are against them. Changing Americas view of union workers is one way to achieve power, but that won't happen overnight. I'm not trying to tell anyone how cast their congressional or presidential votes, that's your decisions. Anyone can get involved if they want change bad enough....
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Post by nvsked1 on Oct 18, 2011 17:02:40 GMT -5
The UAWs problems started long ago, with American politics. To quote Walter Reuther; "the way to the breadbox is through the ballot box" If the working middle class could put aside social issue differences and get behind congressional and presidential candidates that would actually represent them, change would come. The IUAWs leaders, whomever they may be, won't have the power to make significant gains for union workers unless there's change in future legislation. No matter how many "balls" they have, todays corporate labor tactics are against them. Changing Americas view of union workers is one way to achieve power, but that won't happen overnight. I'm not trying to tell anyone how cast their congressional or presidential votes, that's your decisions. Anyone can get involved if they want change bad enough.... Great Post!
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Post by jc on Oct 18, 2011 20:42:47 GMT -5
YOU KNOW IF INTERNATIONAL WOULD TAKE THE SAME CUTS WE HAVE THEY WOULD HAVE 18-27 MILLION FOR RETIREES FUNDS THERE PAYROLL IS 90 MILLION OR IF THEY HAD JUST GAVE UP THEIR LAST RAISE IT WOULD HAVE HELPED CONSIDERABLE WELL BACK TO GOLF COURSE FOR ANOTHER 3 YEARS AND SPEND THEIR RAISE
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Post by jc on Oct 18, 2011 20:50:01 GMT -5
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR RETIREES TO GET TOGETHER AND TAKE ABOVE SUGGESTION TO INTERNATIONAL GET THEM TO MAKE CUTS TO HELP THEM OUT
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