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Post by Grimace on Feb 22, 2012 12:38:31 GMT -5
I often come over to the KTP message board just to see whats going on. I would love to research the differences between the LAP local and the KTP local/MOA. Does anyone have a copy of the current MOA agreement they could lend me to read? Perhaps the MOA has tied your union leaderships hands for too long and should be researched for "adjustments".
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Post by trinitus on Feb 22, 2012 12:52:54 GMT -5
OK here fuel for thought, this will be about the TL's and whether or not they should be bid.
1. You elect your team leader, you have that person for two years. There is a clause to get that person thrown out sooner BUT you will need the help of the UAW and Management to get that done. Which means that the chance's that they get kicked out is slim to none for at least two years. After two years and everyone see how screwed up it is, then no one wants to run against the Team Leader. You then have no choice but to retain this same piece of crap Team Leader.
2. You bid the job out, you get a piece of crap Team Leader. So what options do you really have, none to say except that if the person doesn't do the job they bid on they could get DQed. For example the new Team Leader is three month's in term when he/she is DQed, well a new bid will go up and a new person takes over who could be way better than the one you already have.
With it being bid, the person who gets the position has to do the job right, no ifs, ands or buts. Sometimes the person who is Team Leader is only as good as the people they are there for. Now you might come back and say "In two year's we can vote them out". I say go back to example #1 and reread it. This happens more than not and the main reason is NO ONE WANTS THAT JOB TO BEGIN WITH. No one want the headache and BS that come with the job now, having to cater to 51% of the people just to keep that job. They really can't do the job the way it is supposed to be done due to the team member's constant griping and bickering within each team. THIS HELPS MANAGEMENT when that happens. You seriously don't think they are not watching and learning? They use the team's that are unhappy with the team leader's to their advantage. The Team Leader job being a bid job takes that advantage away and they have to deal with the team and Team Leader separately. All of this is as plain as the nose on your face and you can't see it because those safety glasses are so dirty.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 22, 2012 12:56:08 GMT -5
I think this is funnier than hell ;)Just goes to show US that the people who voted YES for Natl. contract just wanted the CASH.They got the cash and said the hell with the LOCAL.More than likely the majority of the people that didnt vote this week voted yes for the NATL.Of course I cant prove that.And I think the people who voted it down this week Truly are pissed about the NATL. and are always gonna vote no.and I am one of them>>>>>>And as far as the TL BS.I think Union should be able to say YES or NO period.If yes then make them bid if not vote.Also I think a person should definitly be able to give up a bid job.Like someone else said Theres a guy in trim that would love to go to a bid and REST>Ive got a bid job and If I had to go back to trim and work it would f me up.(Iworked trim 9 yrs.)It sucks!!!!!Its not like you have to go to some kind of Secret training or something to do a bid job.any job in here a person could walk off the street and do it in 4 or 5 hrs. at the most.
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Post by uawhater71 on Feb 22, 2012 14:08:47 GMT -5
Well let just say this Marcus the only ones who want to bid teamleaders is people who transferred in from another plant or someone who wants to get in a good job like teamleader and then start screwing the whole team by leaving early or going to hang out in the ac break rooms. First ones that will do that will more than likely be from Ohio. And I would bet those people are the only ones bitching.
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Post by jeter3000 on Feb 22, 2012 15:41:01 GMT -5
That's it hater! People want the TL job so they can screw people over by leaving early and sitting in A.C. I can only speak for myself but , I am all for giving the better job with higher pay to the senior man regardless of age, race, gender, or where they come from. I never knew the UAW did it any different until i got here in Dec. Sure, as we get older our bodies slow down but that may be a direct result of busting our ass' on the line for 20+ yrs so "yes, many want a easier job". I think that everyone of us will eventually have/had the opportunity to bid to a better job and if not it just wasn't our turn yet. Put some time in and it will happen. Remember, "time takes time". To say people "QUOTE; who transferred in from another plant or someone who wants to get in a good job like team leader and then start screwing the whole team by leaving early or going to hang out in the ac break rooms" is moronic. Stop worrying how someone else may or may not treat "YOU" and respect seniority. Thanks..
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Post by retirelap on Feb 22, 2012 15:53:38 GMT -5
Yea at my old plant Team Leaders were a bid job for the team.Bid it on team and it's cuts down On training.
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Post by marcus on Feb 22, 2012 16:31:44 GMT -5
Uawhater71 that was just stupid.
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Post by uawhater71 on Feb 22, 2012 17:52:55 GMT -5
Well if you liked it so much at your old plants then go fucking back home then.
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Post by marcus on Feb 22, 2012 18:50:39 GMT -5
I was waiting for the go back to lap thing.Sorry I am home now.
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Post by 69boss302 on Feb 22, 2012 19:38:26 GMT -5
Out of the 17 people on my team, no one wants the TL jobs bid. And after being in a meeting today with BC and TL's from frame dept that was what people on their teams are saying also. I think people voted no on the contract because they are pissed off at the uaw, this is just what I been told by people that work in my area. The company actually wanted the TL jobs appointed when they first began negotiations, this comes straight from the BC.
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Post by thequestionmark on Feb 22, 2012 19:50:52 GMT -5
hmmm, I dont know but it seems like a conflict of interest asking current TLs to survey their people about bidding or voting. ;D You would think the answer would more than likely come back as keep them as they are.....
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Feb 22, 2012 20:04:08 GMT -5
That's it hater! People want the TL job so they can screw people over by leaving early and sitting in A.C. I can only speak for myself but , I am all for giving the better job with higher pay to the senior man regardless of age, race, gender, or where they come from. I never knew the UAW did it any different until i got here in Dec. Sure, as we get older our bodies slow down but that may be a direct result of busting our ass' on the line for 20+ yrs so "yes, many want a easier job". I think that everyone of us will eventually have/had the opportunity to bid to a better job and if not it just wasn't our turn yet. Put some time in and it will happen. Remember, "time takes time". To say people "QUOTE; who transferred in from another plant or someone who wants to get in a good job like team leader and then start screwing the whole team by leaving early or going to hang out in the ac break rooms" is moronic. Stop worrying how someone else may or may not treat "YOU" and respect seniority. Thanks.. You get it...completely.
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Post by coconut on Feb 22, 2012 20:05:37 GMT -5
to remember 1976 . You have the best idea ever ! It makes perfect sense to have 2 separate locals. they did it up north. People could have their RTBU then. I don't understand why this wasn't done a gazillion years ago. Are people too afraid down here to take matters in their own hands ?? Of course they are. they just let everything slide down their backs in to a big pile of *hit !
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Feb 22, 2012 20:05:39 GMT -5
I was waiting for the go back to lap thing.Sorry I am home now. Yep, I hear ya...we knew that was coming. How come no one has posted 'be happy you have a job' yet?
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Post by coconut on Feb 22, 2012 20:07:08 GMT -5
I would have voted no, but I had no idea there was even gonna be a vote or where.
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Post by brizzel on Feb 22, 2012 22:33:34 GMT -5
Be happy you have a job. I couldn't resist. Lol
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Post by trinitus on Feb 22, 2012 22:56:50 GMT -5
Funny thing is most of the people I talked to in trim WANTS the TL job bid. I guess it is a difference of opinions here huh. Bottom line is simple, ask the current TL's to survey the teams to se what they want and of course those who are afraid to go back to the line on a permament job will tell them no one want's to bid those jobs out.
Now a little birdie told me me tonight that the BC all but threaten the current TL's into having everyone vote yes in the next contract or the TL's would be up for bid HMM scare tactis already, who didn't see that one coming.
Scoot E and the BC may be playing fire over this, have they forgot that they are in an elected position theirselves? Maybe so.
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