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Post by marcus on May 4, 2012 21:51:36 GMT -5
Our team leader is sometimes on a job for 4 or more hours in a row.He has to let people leave for doc appointments.HE should be doing repairs or other duties. Also our forman does work he should not be doing.Filling upstock and doing repairs.Can we stop this.
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Post by pmooret on May 4, 2012 22:20:22 GMT -5
Get the job numbers that he does the repairs on and write him up. You get paid for the work that he did.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on May 5, 2012 2:06:27 GMT -5
She's right Marcus...do NOT stand by and allow sups to work. Write job numbers down and time he completed work...someone will get paid. If your union rep refuses to write them up...call the bargaining committee and complain like hell.
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Post by rockyt on May 5, 2012 6:51:49 GMT -5
While they are correct, make sure you really want to go there because there could be repercussions. You will need to watch your back because the supervisor will most likely want to repay you. He will be looking for any reason he can to write you up. Regardless of how good a worker you are, he will find something, he may even make it up if he has to. If he says that you missed a part, it's his word versus yours - guess who wins that one. When it's time to add work, guess where he's coming to first? Get the picture? I'm not trying to scare you or talk you out of doing the right thing, but just want to warn you that there can be a price to pay for standing up. You are right and the supervisor is in the wrong. He is violating the contract and needs to be stopped. Just be careful. I know, it happened to me. I was at LAP for 16 years and had a perfect record, never been written up one time, when I came to KTP, I couldn't believe how blatantly the supervisors were working on the line. Almost everyday, they would start up on jobs to make sure the line was running, giving bathroom breaks, etc. I watched this happen for quite a while before I finally stood up to them and had them written up and trust me, they tried like hell to repay me. Fortunately, I kept my numbers and was able to prove that 3 times they tried to write me up, I wasn't on the job at the time the work was missed. That didn't stop them, they added work to my job, tried to write me up for stopping the line and eventually wrote me up for missing something, which I doubt since there was an inspector who was looking out for me and claimed I had missed anything. Anyway, it was my word versus his, so there was no way to prove it. Fortunately that supervisor was eventually moved to another area and all was well, but it was a difficult few months, so just be prepared.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on May 5, 2012 7:21:54 GMT -5
Which supervisor?
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Post by rockyt on May 5, 2012 7:36:55 GMT -5
Doesn't matter. No need to name names. There seems to be plenty of them at KTP who do it. That is one of the big differences from LAP to KTP. Not saying it doesn't happen at LAP, but it was pretty rare. It is a common occurance at KTP to see supervisors working. It is a cultural thing. They have been allowed to do it for so long and continue to get away with it, it becomes the norm. I'm sure they don't want to do it, but their bosses put so much pressure on them to keep the line running at all costs and to cut the manpower down to the bone that it just becomes a nescessity at times for them to "help out". The union allows it to happen so it just continues. It should have been stopped a long time ago, but once it is allowed to continue, it just grows and spreads.
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Post by Ktp1989 on May 5, 2012 7:59:08 GMT -5
When a team leader is on a job you must get the entire team to band together and make it so hard of management that they won't ever think about not covering the job and never consider leaving a leader on the job that long again. Problem is teams don't stick together and If a boss is doing work...call the union down and put a stop to it. They have no idea whom called the union. Quit worrying about what might happen if you go against salary and let them start worrying about what happens when they go against us.
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Post by rkr on May 5, 2012 8:41:25 GMT -5
the real problem is, with the exception of a few real assholes. the regular supervisors are at bottom of the totum pole just like the rest of us, they are pressured by upper management to do those things, so even though you may get THEM in trouble, the real problem is the ones above them.
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Post by dave7293 on May 5, 2012 11:11:25 GMT -5
While they are correct, make sure you really want to go there because there could be repercussions. You will need to watch your back because the supervisor will most likely want to repay you. He will be looking for any reason he can to write you up. Regardless of how good a worker you are, he will find something, he may even make it up if he has to. If he says that you missed a part, it's his word versus yours - guess who wins that one. When it's time to add work, guess where he's coming to first? Get the picture? I'm not trying to scare you or talk you out of doing the right thing, but just want to warn you that there can be a price to pay for standing up. You are right and the supervisor is in the wrong. He is violating the contract and needs to be stopped. Just be careful. I know, it happened to me. I was at LAP for 16 years and had a perfect record, never been written up one time, when I came to KTP, I couldn't believe how blatantly the supervisors were working on the line. Almost everyday, they would start up on jobs to make sure the line was running, giving bathroom breaks, etc. I watched this happen for quite a while before I finally stood up to them and had them written up and trust me, they tried like hell to repay me. Fortunately, I kept my numbers and was able to prove that 3 times they tried to write me up, I wasn't on the job at the time the work was missed. That didn't stop them, they added work to my job, tried to write me up for stopping the line and eventually wrote me up for missing something, which I doubt since there was an inspector who was looking out for me and claimed I had missed anything. Anyway, it was my word versus his, so there was no way to prove it. Fortunately that supervisor was eventually moved to another area and all was well, but it was a difficult few months, so just be prepared. That there is why we haven`t had a pay raise in over TEN YEARS...People get scared about the what if crap...If its wrong its wrong.....Stand together and they will notice ,cower and they will take advantage of you (US).
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Post by marcus on May 5, 2012 11:56:00 GMT -5
My team wont do what needs to be done.I've turned supers in before and even had one blackmail me.Said if I didn't wright him up for working he would cover my partner on his awol.So I let it go.
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Post by rockyt on May 5, 2012 14:33:43 GMT -5
Dave, I agree with you, but like Marcus said his team won't stick together with him. That is why unions are in decline. There is too much "I" in our culture. People try to look out for themselves and don't care what happens to others. People are affraid to get involved.
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Post by marcus on May 5, 2012 23:13:10 GMT -5
Write I mean.Dang smart phone
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Post by olddude on May 7, 2012 16:04:46 GMT -5
Marcus, I don't know why your complaining so much. You work less than most people on the frame line!!!!!
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Post by marcus on May 7, 2012 18:39:16 GMT -5
Olddude read all ur post just about all of them are complaining.I don't work less by choice just old and broke down.
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Post by Dr. Death on May 8, 2012 5:17:17 GMT -5
As said, it's all about getting the whole team to stick together. But it is also about your committeemen doing their job. If you have a descent committeemen you can have the supervisor wrote up or warned about working with out them knowing who made the call. Unless things hae changed, low man on OT list gets the pay.
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