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Post by Ex-metalman on May 11, 2012 14:56:03 GMT -5
Instead of offering the retirees a lump sum payment why not offer current employees a buyout/lump sum pension payment?That way when you left on your buyout date you would be done with Ford forever.Then they could hire all the 15 dollar an hour people that they could.Up to the percentage agreed on by the Uaw.Just a thought.Dont know how many took 50000 but it couldnt of that many.
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Post by thintwowin on May 11, 2012 15:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by Ktp1989 on May 11, 2012 18:52:48 GMT -5
Buyout of retired Salary going on now...working salary next...then the UAW members will follow. If the money's right it makes sense to get out and control your own retirement plan...just ask our current retirees. I hope this is the case and it is what Ford wants cause it takes you off the books and with all new hires no tied to a pension it would really benefit the stock....if the money is right.
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Post by lapfinal79 on May 11, 2012 20:21:30 GMT -5
I need the tons of $1.00 ford stock I bought to hit $50. Give me pension buyout and I be happy!
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Post by lucifer on May 12, 2012 5:53:52 GMT -5
Give me 20 n out at a reduced pension, I'll take it. Crap, give me an early out w/insurance and they can keep the pension.
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 12, 2012 10:44:25 GMT -5
Exactly! give me 70% of my pay for life with insurance for 20 yrs senority and I would be happy.Or give me a REAL buyout now and they can hire 2 guys to replace me.
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Post by trinitus on May 12, 2012 13:20:43 GMT -5
20 and out with 70% unreduced income and insurance until Medicare kicks in, yes I would go.
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Post by javajoe on May 12, 2012 21:14:38 GMT -5
Wow! We really have some dreamers on this thread.
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Post by lucifer on May 13, 2012 4:49:19 GMT -5
Wow! We really have some dreamers on this thread. For some people, it's only the dreams that keep them going. I dream of COLA, a pay raise and a chance at a job off the line. Those don't seem to be any more demanding than 20 and out.
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Post by ktpfromlap on May 19, 2012 11:32:27 GMT -5
There ya go...just the mentality I've been seeing as of late. Heck, we've sold out our retirees by ratifying that last contract. Why not sell out future employees by dooming them to work for $15.00/hr. just so we can get out of Ford. No one just stands their positions any more and fights for their rights to be enforced which would make for a better, more tolerable work experience. Let's just bail and leave the next generation fighting our fight. THAT is precisely why unions are on their way out. Every man for himself. How sad!
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 20, 2012 19:01:08 GMT -5
Stand and fight HA!You cant find anybody to do that .Ive done that from day one alone...Im tired of it .Im 49 yrs old and have dreams that dont include stayin here 30yrs.If I could get a buyout and let some young person make 15 dollars an hour and be happy cant see where that hurts a thing..Unions are on there way out because they dont LISTEN to the membership anymore and the younger generation has a IM GLAD I HAVE A JOB MENTALITY//.JUST ABOUT ALL THE 98 AND 99S I KNOW ARE HAPPY THE WAY THINGS ARE.So if I have to look out for myself and BAIL thats what Ill do ...I could care less about the rest of the place.Do what you gotta do thats the way this place works....You have to know that.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on May 20, 2012 19:30:31 GMT -5
Hate to say it...but metalman is right on...great post!! I couldn't tell you how many ppl have told me they would stand strong and fight...then be the first ones to throw me under the boss.
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Post by katfan on May 20, 2012 20:48:41 GMT -5
Metalman not sure where you work at, but I'm a 99er & I know A LOT of 98 & 99ers on the frame line on B crew who are NOT okay w/ how things are. Our union has left us out to dry & they have no idea how we feel anymore!!!!!
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Post by trinitus on May 20, 2012 20:57:09 GMT -5
I have stood tall and fought hard, problem is there was no one there to "Get my back". Sure I pay dues, hell I have paid dues in blood, sweat and tears. What has it got me so far? Not too much I can tell you that. Not only have I seen 98 and 99 seniority people have the I'm glad to have a job deal but I have see people with higher seniority than me have it as well. My fight will be over one day and if your still there I hope you learn how to fight. If not then YOU will be the one to feel the wrath of oth the I-UAW and FORD not me. Then again, maybe I will because it will be you, you the ones that are left that will sell me out even more not realizing that YOU will be where I am one day. Keep drinking the kool-aid and beliving what ever they feed you, I am fighting for you and myself up until the day I leave there.
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Post by Ex-metalman on May 21, 2012 12:56:53 GMT -5
Im sure you are right I shouldnt of put all 98 and 99 employees in that class.Ive worked in body for 7 yrs now.(4yrs trim and 6yrs excursion trim and body)And all my team are are 98 and 99 except for 4 of us 95 ers.I can just say that most of them do complain but when push comes to shove they will do what they are told and shut up (right or wrong)Add work they take it, add a step on theryre job, they take it.And its pretty much like that on bcrew though out body.Thats wht I do look out for myself.On days in excursion trim my team ran our area we stuck together and stood up for each other.Thats the last time Ive experienced that .My team now are all bids that got grandfathered in,maybe that why they are ok with this place.?
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Post by dave7293 on May 21, 2012 19:02:41 GMT -5
I have stood tall and fought hard, problem is there was no one there to "Get my back". Sure I pay dues, hell I have paid dues in blood, sweat and tears. What has it got me so far? Not too much I can tell you that. Not only have I seen 98 and 99 seniority people have the I'm glad to have a job deal but I have see people with higher seniority than me have it as well. My fight will be over one day and if your still there I hope you learn how to fight. If not then YOU will be the one to feel the wrath of oth the I-UAW and FORD not me. Then again, maybe I will because it will be you, you the ones that are left that will sell me out even more not realizing that YOU will be where I am one day. Keep drinking the kool-aid and beliving what ever they feed you, I am fighting for you and myself up until the day I leave there. Well said !!! ;D
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