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Post by freaknnuts on Jul 19, 2012 10:31:31 GMT -5
*****EQUITY OF SACRIFICE ARBITRATION UPDATE******* Unfortunately, we have just been notified by telephone that the arbitrator has ruled against us on the Equity of Sacrifice grievance. As soon as we have the full details and opinion of the arbitrator we will post it and share it with you.
This is off of Facebook
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Post by TonyV on Jul 19, 2012 10:52:38 GMT -5
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Post by cobra8 on Jul 19, 2012 10:58:19 GMT -5
Sounds like if we had stuck with the no contract untill the grievance was settled this might have turned out different.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Jul 19, 2012 11:01:14 GMT -5
Should make the next negotiations VERY VERY interesting.
But it won't.
You all just make sure that when they cut jobs out, and add work to you, that you run your ass off and hold it. You know, because the boss is your giggle buddy.
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Post by JoePieper on Jul 19, 2012 11:08:18 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised?
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Post by cobra8 on Jul 19, 2012 11:16:50 GMT -5
Lost the grievance I guess could mean we get nothing or not what the UAW was asking for. Lets have the details.
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Post by ktpgal89 on Jul 19, 2012 11:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by TonyV on Jul 19, 2012 11:53:40 GMT -5
Summary:
30 AWARD Ford Motor Company did not violate or breach the Equality of Sacrifice Letter in the 2007 collective bargaining Agreement or the Equity of Sacrifice commitments in the2009 modifications to the 2007 CBA by granting 2010 merit increases and a partial 401Kmatch for its salaried workforce. The grievance is denied.
David W. Grissom Arbitrator Marquette Building243 W. Congress – Suite 350 Detroit, MI 48226
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Post by cobra8 on Jul 19, 2012 12:05:07 GMT -5
On the evidence, there was no suchpromise but even if arguably, such a verbal statement came from Mr. Hinrichs (which it didnot) that could be characterized as an implied verbal/oral commitment, it would beunenforceable. It has long been held that dangers abide in permitting oral modificationsto written labor agreements and that “national labor policy” disfavors verbal “side”agreements,
I see this stated more than once. I am not a contractual person, but I have always heard - GET IT IN WRITING
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Jul 19, 2012 12:46:43 GMT -5
If they didn't violate the agreement by giving raises, then just what in the hell was in the agreement...........?
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Post by JoePieper on Jul 19, 2012 13:07:32 GMT -5
I'm going to go buy me a case of Vaseline. Just sayin.
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Post by cobra8 on Jul 19, 2012 13:08:58 GMT -5
This probably wont help passing a local agreement any easier.
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Post by tonyp on Jul 19, 2012 13:12:17 GMT -5
Do you really think they give a shit about the local agreement?? No.....because as long as it doesn't pass we stay with the last contract.
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Post by rkr on Jul 19, 2012 13:42:38 GMT -5
just goes to show the UAW is way out of their league. we are starting to see that more and more.ANY IDIOT knows, you take their word for it!!!!
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Post by rkr on Jul 19, 2012 13:45:59 GMT -5
and no i dont mean (you dont take their word for it) An IDIOT WILL take their word for it!
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Post by fordmakesnosense on Jul 19, 2012 14:05:22 GMT -5
well dam finally the news most all of us knew we were going to hear......sure took long enough
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 19, 2012 14:36:58 GMT -5
What a fuckin sad day to be a UAW member..This is bullshit.How can somebody take from one in (bad )times then turn around and give it to some suckass piece of shit supervisor????just shows you how weak the so called union is..Im sure fat ass and retard got there share up in detroit..30 years ago we would be going on strike over some shit like this...Im guessing a picnic or jacket maybe even a fuckin pin is in store...Fuck you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Im a firm believer in what comes around goes around, so I hope I get to see it...THATS FUCKIN WHY EVERYONE SHOULDA VOTED DOWN THE CONTRACT AND SAID FUCK YOU TILL THIS IS SETTLED...HAD TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS COMING..WHAT A BUNCH OF PUSSIES.Im sure this will be removed but Im fed up..Ivw seen ZERO PROGRESS OUT OF OUR UNION OVER THE LAST 17YRS.AND PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE PAST LEADERS? /
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Post by bucketman on Jul 19, 2012 14:59:27 GMT -5
A big FUCK YOU to all our so called FUCKING uaw leaders up north, also FUCK YOU AGAIN YOU BITCHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by brizzel on Jul 19, 2012 15:04:21 GMT -5
Don't forget our collectible coin that nobody got.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Jul 19, 2012 15:15:09 GMT -5
now when the next national contract comes up get some ball and vote against it when the national leadership threatens to strike be ready for it and do get scared...save your money now...3 years from Sept we need to be prepared to take a stand...and quit giving in. How in the hell did we think we were gonna win a grievance when we agree to take the changes as permanent in the past contract?
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Jul 19, 2012 15:35:05 GMT -5
Well, hated to see it come to this, but I knew all along that it would. We got hosed, and that's that. The co. got over on us, the union held us still while they sunk it in ball deep, and the arbitrator did exactly what I expected him to do. He looked at the info, saw that a majority of our members voted yes to the changes, and said, "you wanted it, you got it".
I have bought my last new Ford, period, amen. I'm done. I'll spend my hard earned money elsewhere. And for anybody that wants to blast me for that, well, you're entitled to your opinion too, but mine is this, fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice shame on you. Im not going to pay them to screw me anymore. I've had enough.
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Post by justmefornow on Jul 19, 2012 16:05:43 GMT -5
Did I read it right??? From what I understood they said that when we gave up what we did...it was stated just "hourly" and that because it didn't have "salaried" in there anywhere that is why is was denied?
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Post by PUNISHER on Jul 19, 2012 16:33:13 GMT -5
well said metalman.....my sentiments exactly!!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 19, 2012 17:09:18 GMT -5
I disagree...the bad news was when a majority of the membership voted FOR concessions and contracts that gave us NO monetary gain of any sort. No one to blame but the scared yes voters.
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Post by beenaround on Jul 19, 2012 17:38:22 GMT -5
I disagree...the bad news was when a majority of the membership voted FOR concessions and contracts that gave us NO monetary gain of any sort. No one to blame but the scared yes voters. Double thumbs up Scott!!!!!!
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Post by TonyV on Jul 19, 2012 17:46:56 GMT -5
Amen!
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Jul 19, 2012 17:57:28 GMT -5
If you are upset, and voted no on the contract, then I suggest you do NOT read the arbitration summary. I had next to zero faith in our leadership prior to reading, and after the fact, all doubt has been removed. We have no shot in hell with a guy that "thinks" he has a verbal, F'ING VERBAL, agreement with the co. Its like playing cards with my sisters kids...
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Post by remember1976 on Jul 19, 2012 18:27:34 GMT -5
. [/I] However, this purported verbal promise was predicted upon his own assumptions (TR. 63–64; 164–167). Mr. King acknowledged that the “highlights” message distributed to the UAW membership dated February 24, 2009 entitled “UAW Ford Modifications to 2007 Agreement and Addendum to VEBA Agreement” made no reference to merit increases and/or a 401K match for salaried employees (Employer Exhibit #14) (TR. 191–192).[/size][/QUOTE][/quote]
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Post by gman on Jul 19, 2012 18:37:28 GMT -5
This is Karma for all you mother fuckers that voted for that piece of shit contract that pays our new brothers and sisters half of our wage while doing the same work so FUCK YOU IDIOTS AND FUCK YOU FORD MOTOR COMPANY AND FUCK YOU KING YOU NON NEGOTIATING PIECE OF SHIT
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Post by rukus on Jul 19, 2012 18:40:57 GMT -5
Amen Metalman...and everbody who voted for the contract needs to suck it up and keep there mouth shut...We had a great bargaining chip at our fingertips and it was sqaundered by a bunch of morons who voted yes to get some quick chump change...and the IUAW head honcho's and this arbitraitor should be investigated because I would be willing to bet the farm that pockets were lined with big money to keep this thing carring over until they could figure out the slickest way to fuck us, which is exactly what they did... Its the beginning of the end...
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