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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 26, 2012 16:52:44 GMT -5
Just got a flyer with a bunch of useless BS on it..But it did state that we would be getting nothingAND THAT THEY(uaw)PRETTY MUCH TOLD US FROM THE GET GO THAT THEY DIDNT SEE US GETTING ANYTHING? ?Really thats the first of heard of this..Anyone else hear this?If thats the case why did we go thru all the hearings and bullshit..?I know so the UPPER ASSHOLES THAT RUN THE UNION COULD BE OFF IN ANOTHER STATE ON VACATION AND FUCKING OUR EYES OUT WHILE THEYRE SITTING IN A FUCKIN STRIP CLUB LETTIN FORD FOOT THE BILL AND TELLING THEM TO FORGET US AND TAKE THIS HUSH MONEY.....WHAT A FUCKIN CROCK OF SHIT..WE NEED A NEW BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN OUR SO CALLED UNION..ONESW THAT WILL REALLY LOOKOUT FOR THE FUCKING PEDOPLE THAT PAY THEYRE SORRY ASSES.....
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Post by brizzel on Jul 26, 2012 18:40:28 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing. If this was a lost cause from the get go, why pursue it? I guess to pad the unions hours in committee discussing it.
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Jul 26, 2012 19:38:42 GMT -5
I love the anger, and call to change things within the union structure, I really do. Be it term limits, or the call for one man one vote, when it comes to electing our prez. But it's all for not.
None of that will ever change. All the hand wringing and militant thought, while a great idea, will never come to pass. The power structure that was set in place decades ago will never allow it. You are not going to pull the hogs away from the trough. The best you can hope for is if you bitch enough, your committeeman will come around more often.
All the bitching never reaches the ears of the people it's meant for. Do any of you think for 1 second, that bob king or jimmy settles lost one minute of sleep because you didn't get shit on the EOS grievance? Not a freaking chance. Fact is, the majority of the guys, past, present, and future, never spent much time working in any plant. They're career politicians, and just like their counterparts in the public sector, they don't give a fuck what you need, think, or want. They'll pander to you for a vote to keep their gravy train running. Period.
So, settle in, because it will never change. They'll ride the golden goose into the ground, pocket their double pensions, and laugh their asses off at the morons that still look to the union as a defender of workers.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Jul 26, 2012 20:03:20 GMT -5
If they knew we would not win...then why did Eskridge want to wait till the grievance was settled before voting on the local? The are trying to cover their asses...bottom line, vote their asses out and that will send all the message that needs to be sent. For the record...my thoughts have always been we would not get anything as well because i think if their was any chance Ford thought they would lose they would have offered up something to pass the last shit contract. No need as too many brothers/sisters ran scared and voted it in...then wondered why we didn't get any grievance money for something that was voted in permanently.
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Post by watchmen on Jul 26, 2012 20:52:44 GMT -5
I'm tired of hearing about those who voted yes to national contract were scared, wimps, etc... Is it wrong for the membership to believe in those that are leading them? The leadership spun their web of deceit and the contract passed. Don't blame those that listened and had faith in their leaders believing they had their best interest in heart. Blame those who speak with a forked tongue up north.
Just take your open and honest union for what it is.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 26, 2012 22:00:20 GMT -5
If you read the facts, the grievance should have never been filed. Our ignorant leaders filed a grievance on a verbal agreement, some sort of hand shake. That's what we are dealing with...Bob King has a degree in LAW...but for some reason he felt like a verbal agreement was enough. We are being led by an idiot...and will Settles do any better? I don't have any faith...
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Post by TonyV on Jul 27, 2012 0:31:18 GMT -5
These are the people that ram down their agendas to the local level to "fall in line!" That is why they take the most trusted person out of locals to bargain. Then the most trusted person has to push the agenda whether they like it or not during the national agreement.
If Scott Eskridge or Steve Stone could tell you the truth of the matter.......you probably would cringe. I don't envy either one at this point.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 27, 2012 2:07:16 GMT -5
It's easy to see why King is our prez and not practicing law.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 17:25:30 GMT -5
Tonyv, u hit the nail on the head with one small but important error. That trusted bargainer is never forced to push the agenda. He only has to push it if he wants to keep his position, and all that comes with it. It's at this point that trusted person sells out and becomes one of them.
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Post by rkr on Jul 27, 2012 18:14:30 GMT -5
To KTP1989 that grievance was lost long before the contract vote! and to keep saying that people were scared and ran, maybe you remember when they opened the contract back up and took our overtime and COLA, they done it several times so maybe getting your money up front isnt a bad idea. I dont trust anything these guys are going to do tomorrow! so give me mine right now. Yes WE ALL know it doesnt work out to as much as a raise in the long run. But if you dont have faith in the leadership, then you better take what you can when you can get it!
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Post by ragtop69 on Jul 27, 2012 20:39:45 GMT -5
Anything they propose or bring up for vote I vote NO . Anyone currently holding a union office gets does not get my vote as long as King and Settles are in office Thats my opinion and it might be wrong but thats how I feel.
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Post by caprudedawg on Jul 27, 2012 20:52:55 GMT -5
My motto for all future contracts will be "remember the E.O.S.". It worked when the muslims attacked the Alamo.
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Post by ragtop69 on Jul 27, 2012 21:44:42 GMT -5
I feel a t-shirt coming on
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 27, 2012 22:13:56 GMT -5
I think its shit when they open the contract and take shit from us..but that why they have this thing called a STRIKE. ITS WHEN YOU GET TIRED OF BEING FUCKED AND YOUR UNION GROWS BALLS AND CALLS IT......GET IT.?
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Post by rkr on Jul 28, 2012 8:45:39 GMT -5
YEAH METALMAN WE GET IT!! Looks real good on paper and it is just that easy too, BIG TALKER!!!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 28, 2012 13:32:26 GMT -5
Looks good on paper???Big talker???What looks good on paper the last contract??And big talker..I would go on strike in a heart beat to keep these assholes from taking more shit from us..Thats why UNIONS WERE FORMED..YOU MIGHT FUCK WITH 1 GUY BUT NOT ALL OF US..IF YOU DONT HAVE A STRIKE THREAT WHY HAVE A UNION???Thats my thought and Im damn well entitled to it.If you think thats being a big talker .guess thats what I am then.
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Post by tiger66 on Jul 28, 2012 13:36:48 GMT -5
It's over, let it go and move on. Never had a chance anyway.
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Post by rkr on Jul 28, 2012 14:40:14 GMT -5
point exactly!! you have your opinion, let others have theirs!
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Post by Dr. Death on Jul 29, 2012 14:39:39 GMT -5
First off, it was not a "Hand Shake" it was a "Reach Around". And yes the word does need to go out to remember this each time there is a vote for anything.
Would new elections really help? Our local and the Union overall is so embedded with "The Good Ole Boy" syndrome that we would have to eliminate everyone in it. And than contract out to the Teamsters or some other Union for a while to maybe take care of the problem.
KTP1989, did I not read a while back that you have never voted on a contract? No vote no say.
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Post by watchmen on Jul 29, 2012 15:31:47 GMT -5
First off, it was not a "Hand Shake" it was a "Reach Around". Now that's the truth!!!
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Post by hayrakekid on Jul 29, 2012 15:56:44 GMT -5
Bob King should have not been the president of our union anyway. He supported giving up our strike rights. Anybody that wants to give up strike rights and i dont care if they have a law degree SUCKS.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Jul 29, 2012 16:00:52 GMT -5
First off, it was not a "Hand Shake" it was a "Reach Around". And yes the word does need to go out to remember this each time there is a vote for anything. Would new elections really help? Our local and the Union overall is so embedded with "The Good Ole Boy" syndrome that we would have to eliminate everyone in it. And than contract out to the Teamsters or some other Union for a while to maybe take care of the problem. KTP1989, did I not read a while back that you have never voted on a contract? No vote no say. Incorrect...I said that I have never voted "yes" for a contract....but I always vote...."no".
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Post by marcus on Aug 1, 2012 6:43:15 GMT -5
Says we lost because it was a verbal agreement wow
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Post by ktpgal89 on Aug 1, 2012 7:28:50 GMT -5
Says we lost because it was a verbal agreement wow Scary to think our futures are in their hands, isn't it?? Sad part is there is nothing we can do about it...lifetime appointments....
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Post by saugerman on Aug 1, 2012 11:03:39 GMT -5
oh now its was a losing argument....All hail king Scumbag Scott Eskridge.....ever thought of taking a long walk off a short pier?
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Post by trinitus on Aug 1, 2012 12:59:08 GMT -5
We lost it get over it and move on to the next contract so we can give up more. I didn't expect anything out of it anyways but those that got scared only had the hope of this grievence to hold on to after voting yes to the contract. Maybe next time l remember this BS and vote it down.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Aug 1, 2012 14:57:35 GMT -5
want to do something moving forward...vote out the current administration that heads up KTP...and vote no on the next national contract! My guess is neither is affected moving forward!
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Post by ktpbob on Aug 1, 2012 18:51:59 GMT -5
We lost the Grievance and will continue to lose in future contracts because the Company has a lot smarter man in Alan Mulally than the UAW does in Bob King. There is no way all the UAW leaders together can outsmart The CEO of Ford. Why do you think Ford went outside the family to hire the smartest guy they could? While the company is doing that the UAW just promotes the next good Ol Boy to top! You don't win ballgames that way and we won't win in contracts that way. The UAW better go outside the good Ol Boy family and hire the smartest guy they can find to lead us. If they don't we are screwed and Alan Mulally will continue to stick it to us and outsmart our top Good Ol boy!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 2, 2012 11:47:51 GMT -5
Im sure ford tells our UAW who they want to be in office.Think about it ???Just like all these fucking elections are rigged.Ford controls us and the union bottomline and it dont look like anyone has the balls to retake it back.Theres always exscuses.911,goodyear tires,rollovers,the excursion is leaving,the economy,we are in a depression???Fuck that these times are just like the years past,and the only change is the MOTHERFUCKERS running this shit..period.
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Aug 2, 2012 12:00:42 GMT -5
TERM LIMITS ON ALL COMMITTEEMEN, AND EVERY UPPER UAW POSITION THERE IS.......NO MORE THAN 2 TERMS, PERIOD. GET YOUR LAZY,COMPLACENT ASSES BACK IN TRIM, ON WIRE LOOM IN JULY.
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