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Post by redrover on May 4, 2013 14:59:24 GMT -5
Just heard that by April of next year we will be working 3 crew plant wide. M-Th, days. Tue-Friday nights. And C-crew Friday Saturday days Sunday , Monday nights. Anyone else heard this? Me personally I was on that C-crew and it sucks. That was when we got paid time and a half for Saturday. Heard that is going away also.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on May 4, 2013 16:32:32 GMT -5
I heard that once we get the new stacker, we will be on 5-10s. 3 crew is impossible until then.
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Post by ktpgirl on May 4, 2013 17:25:36 GMT -5
Just my opinion: our order bank is only 37,000. I really don't think that constitutes running 3 crews. I would rather run 9+ hours on 2 crews than work ourselves out of a job.
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Post by rockyt on May 4, 2013 19:36:31 GMT -5
Ford wants all plants on 3 Crew production schedule to save money on overtime plus hire in more half price people. They are also adding a 3rd crew at Kansas City and Detroit Truck already has it, so naturally I would think that KTP would also go that route. Trucks are hot right now and if the economy continues to pick up that trucks will be even hotter. Start saving your money, because overtime is going away.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 21:26:10 GMT -5
Ford wants to pay Zero Overtime!
With 2nd Tier wages it's cheaper to add a shift now days.
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Post by Ktp1989 on May 4, 2013 21:38:45 GMT -5
C-Crew is coming as well as AWS (Alternative Work Schedule) for Skilled Trades...In Skilled Trades we have heard that the money has now be allocated for the Stacker expansion so once you see it going up...C-Crew will follow upon it's completion.
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Post by ktpgirl on May 4, 2013 21:45:07 GMT -5
Ktp1989: Where do you get your information to say something is definite? I don't think you should be on here saying anything is for sure until the company makes an announcement.
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Post by gator on May 5, 2013 0:24:55 GMT -5
Scott kept the third crew away for quite some time because of the uncertainty of the economy. But now with the orders maxing out our compasity of hours worked the possibility of C-crew has increased. Plus this plant is getting ready to bust at the seams with production, I just hope we get lots of new hires and little to no transfers. As far as the order bank the number is not actual numbers but an average. Overtime will not go away, you will be asked quite often to work additional days if the majority of new hires coming in are consistent with our current new hires. That is not a knock on the workers but a knock on their pay scale, with the current new hires wages Ford has become a stepping stone and not a destination job.
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Post by ktp99 on May 5, 2013 2:02:46 GMT -5
I don't see 3 crew coming unless they add a new product. Yeah, we are working a lot of OT, not enough to add another crew.
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Post by lap65 on May 5, 2013 9:09:10 GMT -5
Scott kept the third crew away for quite some time because of the uncertainty of the economy. But now with the orders maxing out our compasity of hours worked the possibility of C-crew has increased. Plus this plant is getting ready to bust at the seams with production, I just hope we get lots of new hires and little to no transfers. As far as the order bank the number is not actual numbers but an average. Overtime will not go away, you will be asked quite often to work additional days if the majority of new hires coming in are consistent with our current new hires. That is not a knock on the workers but a knock on their pay scale, with the current new hires wages Ford has become a stepping stone and not a destination job. At LAP we worked a lot of overtime at first to cover b & c crew. But once they got them going good, we rarely get asked to cover another shift now, it's 4 days of 10.7 or less pretty regularly. |
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Post by Ktp1989 on May 5, 2013 10:45:21 GMT -5
Ktp1989: Where do you get your information to say something is definite? I don't think you should be on here saying anything is for sure until the company makes an announcement. I never said it was definite...just relaying what we are being told. Nothing at Ford Motor Company is definite until it happens but all signs point towards it happening. Just the fact that the company will max out the mandatory Sats this year that the want for another 8 tell you they can't build enough trucks and going to C-Crew and AWS for skilled trades saves the company a ton of money and builds more jobs. The plant that is responsible for approx. 33% of Fords profits is going to be maxed out and the only thing that has held it back is the stacker. If the stacker expansion money is given....it's given because of the want to go the new schedule. |
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Post by imdadd on May 5, 2013 11:19:49 GMT -5
That's why it is called a rumor mill. Will most likely see maintenance AWS before 3 crew.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on May 5, 2013 11:35:42 GMT -5
5 10's and tag relief will require fewer people and will result in a BIG jump in jobs, once the system is built to keep up. IMO, 5 10's and an "adjustment" to the contract to allow more Saturdays would be a better $$$$$ decision than to hire more people. Remember, the # of people at the lower rate is capped, I know we're not there yet, but there isn't any return for the company on going above that number.
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Post by ktpgirl on May 5, 2013 12:37:51 GMT -5
I agree with driveshaftgrunt. I doubt they will add another crew and have to hire more people, pay more benefits,etc etc. I see them getting everything they can out of what they already have. I just don't want to get ran out of a job, so if it means 5 10's, so be it.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 13:05:14 GMT -5
I agree with driveshaftgrunt. I doubt they will add another crew and have to hire more people, pay more benefits,etc etc. I see them getting everything they can out of what they already have. I just don't want to get ran out of a job, so if it means 5 10's, so be it. Your not being ran out of a job, and if you are there is a transfer Claus in the national contract. |
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Post by ktpgirl on May 5, 2013 13:38:05 GMT -5
Yes because packing up and leaving my home and family to move to another state sounds so awesome.And what do you think will happen if we do add a third shift? Transfers from other states with high seniority will come to fill those spots and then... when and if our order bank drops and the third crew goes away, who gets laid off? Yep, the low seniority people that have been there since day one. No thanks!
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Post by tiger66 on May 6, 2013 10:18:19 GMT -5
When do they start on the new stacker?
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Post by lapwasktp on May 6, 2013 15:39:47 GMT -5
You guys are funny.. You need to have your dislikes with Mark Fields and Alan Mullany. ** They said ALL plants will work on 3 crews schedule in North American.. It's just a matter of time and equipment installs.. It's the new way of Ford and KTP is not exempt.. Ford makes more money this way and yes new hires and transfers will be coming.... Save your overtime $$$ now..
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on May 6, 2013 15:51:09 GMT -5
5 10 hour days?, and some Saturdays!!!!! sounds like a medical/ AWOL disaster to me.
Id rather see 3 crews. If your on gravy work, yeah, bring the OT is always heard. But most people who are on the line want to
have a functioning body when theyre off work doing something besides making money, its NOT everything.
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Post by Ktp1989 on May 6, 2013 16:58:01 GMT -5
5 10's and tag relief will require fewer people and will result in a BIG jump in jobs, once the system is built to keep up. IMO, 5 10's and an "adjustment" to the contract to allow more Saturdays would be a better $$$$$ decision than to hire more people. Remember, the # of people at the lower rate is capped, I know we're not there yet, but there isn't any return for the company on going above that number. Cannot do 5 10's because paint and body can't keep up. That's the entire reason to add to the stacker. If stacker comes...3 crew returns. Ford Motor wants full utilization of all plants and near future they will have all plants on 3 crew in my opinion. |
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Post by classof95 on May 7, 2013 8:59:37 GMT -5
What pattern would paint and body run to keep up with 3 crew plantwide??
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Post by ktpsparky on May 7, 2013 11:58:17 GMT -5
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Post by brizzel on May 7, 2013 12:55:08 GMT -5
What pattern would paint and body run to keep up with 3 crew plantwide?? Probably the same same as final. Thats how it was before. Way back when.... |
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Post by william on May 7, 2013 15:23:59 GMT -5
Who would come here other than new hires.Nobody is layed off now so I wouldn't worry about seniority people coming.
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Post by tryingtomakeit on May 7, 2013 15:27:56 GMT -5
5 10 hour days?, and some Saturdays!!!!! sounds like a medical/ AWOL disaster to me. Id rather see 3 crews. If your on gravy work, yeah, bring the OT is always heard. But most people who are on the line want to have a functioning body when theyre off work doing something besides making money, its NOT everything. Gravy work? You mean like a TL job? I hope we do go 5x10 just so I can hear senior dipshits that had to have a "say" about their precious TL, instead of adding bid jobs crying because they are hurting. No cure for stupidity. |
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Post by shirlsmile on May 8, 2013 1:23:31 GMT -5
If you check your info you will find that KTP is in line for major construction. Body shop will have to be redone and moved for the next major launch. The body shop cannot support the new truck. Also we should be getting new Stamping presses.
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Post by ktpelec on May 8, 2013 10:18:55 GMT -5
That's why it is called a rumor mill. Will most likely see maintenance AWS before 3 crew. KTP had 3-Crew production before, it will happen again, they will work out the problems that plagued production at that time. Major upgrades will be needed to supply the needs of 2 Final Chassis lines, that is upgrading Body Shop, Paint, and the Stacker. AWS is a 4-Crew Skilled Trades schedule, it gives Ford fixed weekend labor costs, it is only needed if a 3-Crew Production schedule is used. |
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Post by lariatv8 on Jun 1, 2013 5:57:53 GMT -5
Guys make that money while you can. At Cap, we've worked four 40 hrs this whole year. SHORT WORK WEEK is a household with us running 3 shifts. We're picking up our first Saturday today. FORD decided to share some of the wealth...and of course its 100 degrees in the plant June 1st lol
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Post by bucketman on Jun 1, 2013 10:26:44 GMT -5
The new stacker is now being built and I would think when its done paint and body will be on the old c- crew with chassis to follow at some point, orders permitting.Shit house rumor was paint in April but now hearing it may be as early as January. The new stacker cells will be big enough to hold a cab and box so I guess they will hold a exp or Nav with no problem.So if your tired of the o.t. thats good because when and if we go back to the old c-crew it will be gone.But paint and body has been on 40 hours so no money change for us:)
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Post by Ktp1989 on Jun 1, 2013 16:55:31 GMT -5
In Skilled Trades were are hearing right now...subject to change as everything at Ford...that come April of next year that paint and body will go back to the old C-Crew and Final Area will go to the old 5-10 hr days with the 10.7 max.
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