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Post by saugerman on Nov 11, 2014 4:48:21 GMT -5
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Post by justaworker on Nov 11, 2014 5:25:40 GMT -5
So, those ach employees were never ford employees. They hired in as visteon employees. Then when visteon went under, they were offered jobs at ford.
Is that correct?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 7:09:52 GMT -5
Ok, as much as I like to bash the IUAW I have to back them on this. The satellite companies of Ford knew that they were going to be spun off nearly 15 years ago and most if not all knew they could transfer back then as "Ford" employees. This was explained to them before they moved here recently as well. Get mad all you want but this was in black and white before they knew they could come here and no one twisted their dam arm to come here. Even the temps that transferred from other Ford plants, same dam thing. They knew what they had coming into this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 7:13:14 GMT -5
No different than any other company buying out someone else. Ford did not have to pick them back up.
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Post by saugerman on Nov 11, 2014 7:18:47 GMT -5
no I'm not mad it just doesn't paint the UAW in the best light
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Post by turbo350 on Nov 11, 2014 10:43:49 GMT -5
Everyone that came down here knew what they were coming into. Ford didn't have to offer them a job. As was said, Ford spun Visteon off years ago so a spin off company is not going to be making the same wages. All the people that came down from up north knocked a lot of Louisville people out of jobs here too. 2 different companies, 2 different contracts. They stated that he was being harassed, hell you walk buy every new hire or Tier 2 and they either are on their cell phone texting or it's laying within 5 foot of them. Some of these younger generation people have had everything given to them and don't know the meaning of work. I agree that tier2 needs to go, but a lot of the tier2's I talk to expect a $9 raise right off the bat. Ain't gonna happen. I can see Legacy getting a 2% and tier2 a 4% for 4 years to bring them up to Legacy pay but no $9.
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Post by wildcats34 on Nov 11, 2014 12:00:19 GMT -5
Yep two tier has been handed everything alright. An unfair wage that before you say it we new about, shitty insurance, and shitty retirement. And then you say we dont deserve a 9$ pay raise to be up to your level? We've paid our dues just like you all. A lot of us have close to 3 yrs in just like you all had when you were raised to full pay. Hopefully new contract has equal pay equal work in it. If not when RTW eventually passes I would imagine a lot of two tier will sign up. I wonder if the reaction to two tier would be different if it was only women and minorities under that umbrella?
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Post by fordworker95 on Nov 11, 2014 13:20:29 GMT -5
All I can say is WOW . How in the hell can anyone think this is caused by the UAW . ford is the one who set this up not the union. The UAW bargains for people, Ford bargains with the UAW AGAINST people. Members need to remember this at contract time. And educate yourself, the UAW leadership bargains for the best deal they can get from Ford, Ford is the one that doesn't want to pay you anything,or give you a pension, or give you any health insurance at all.
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Post by wildcats34 on Nov 11, 2014 13:43:16 GMT -5
Your right, but we need new bargainers. Not much bargaining going on. One sided negotiations.
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Post by justaworker on Nov 11, 2014 13:44:31 GMT -5
How can these people want seniority back, when they were not hired at ford until they came to lap?
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Post by saugerman on Nov 11, 2014 16:31:51 GMT -5
All I can say is WOW . How in the hell can anyone think this is caused by the UAW . ford is the one who set this up not the union. The UAW bargains for people, Ford bargains with the UAW AGAINST people. Members need to remember this at contract time. And educate yourself, the UAW leadership bargains for the best deal they can get from Ford, Ford is the one that doesn't want to pay you anything,or give you a pension, or give you any health insurance at all. i was trying to say the courier was making us look bad sorry I didn't communicate this better
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Post by blackbird66 on Nov 11, 2014 17:34:29 GMT -5
All I can say is WOW . How in the hell can anyone think this is caused by the UAW . ford is the one who set this up not the union. The UAW bargains for people, Ford bargains with the UAW AGAINST people. Members need to remember this at contract time. And educate yourself, the UAW leadership bargains for the best deal they can get from Ford, Ford is the one that doesn't want to pay you anything,or give you a pension, or give you any health insurance at all. I can't agree with that statement about the UAW. Our local reps are Ford employees, not union employees. That is s major conflict on interest in representing any of us against their employer. The IUAW is a large shareholder of FoMoCo, and has s seat on the board of directors. So our international reps are as much our employer as they are our representatives. That's too large of a conflict of interests to believe them to be looking out for us.
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Post by fordworker95 on Nov 12, 2014 12:05:53 GMT -5
All I can say is WOW . How in the hell can anyone think this is caused by the UAW . ford is the one who set this up not the union. The UAW bargains for people, Ford bargains with the UAW AGAINST people. Members need to remember this at contract time. And educate yourself, the UAW leadership bargains for the best deal they can get from Ford, Ford is the one that doesn't want to pay you anything,or give you a pension, or give you any health insurance at all. I can't agree with that statement about the UAW. Our local reps are Ford employees, not union employees. That is s major conflict on interest in representing any of us against their employer. The IUAW is a large shareholder of FoMoCo, and has s seat on the board of directors. So our international reps are as much our employer as they are our representatives. That's too large of a conflict of interests to believe them to be looking out for us. Have you ever read the UAW constitution. I'll make it easy for you , please educate yourself. www.uaw.org/page/uaw-constitution
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Post by blackbird66 on Nov 12, 2014 12:08:24 GMT -5
I can't agree with that statement about the UAW. Our local reps are Ford employees, not union employees. That is s major conflict on interest in representing any of us against their employer. The IUAW is a large shareholder of FoMoCo, and has s seat on the board of directors. So our international reps are as much our employer as they are our representatives. That's too large of a conflict of interests to believe them to be looking out for us. Have you ever read the UAW constitution. I'll make it easy for you , please educate yourself. www.uaw.org/page/uaw-constitutionI'm sorry, what does that have to do with the union acknowledged facts from my original post?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 12:58:39 GMT -5
I'm sorry, what does that have to do with the union acknowledged facts from my original post? Im not trying to be rude but are you serious? This constitution has had shit smeared on it and rubbed on the mens bathroom floor in 46 isle at least 1000 times! WOW! Read it yourself and tell me what the IUAW or local UAW has stuck too. Please.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 13:00:23 GMT -5
All I can say is WOW . How in the hell can anyone think this is caused by the UAW . ford is the one who set this up not the union. The UAW bargains for people, Ford bargains with the UAW AGAINST people. Members need to remember this at contract time. And educate yourself, the UAW leadership bargains for the best deal they can get from Ford, Ford is the one that doesn't want to pay you anything,or give you a pension, or give you any health insurance at all. And the UAW has let Ford run through the contract doing what they wish. The UAW hasn't backed its workforce in over 10 years now. It has taken and not given back.
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Post by fordworker95 on Nov 12, 2014 13:07:50 GMT -5
Well if you read the constitution,you will answer your own question.
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Post by fordworker95 on Nov 12, 2014 13:21:15 GMT -5
The original thread here was about people filing a lawsuit against the UAW. To me that is "conduct unbecoming of a member" !
UAW Constitution -- Trials of Members Preamble Special Note ARTICLE 31 Section 1. A charge by a member or members in good standing that a member or members have violated this Constitution or engaged in conduct unbecoming a member of the Union must be specifically set forth in writing and signed by the member or members making the charges. The charges must state the exact nature of the alleged offense or offenses and, if possible, the period of time during which the offense or offenses allegedly took place. Two (2) or more members may be jointly charged with having participated in the same act or acts charged as an offense or with having acted jointly in commission of such an offense and may be jointly tried.
If someone wanted to pursue this through the correct process the people who filed this lawsuit could have bigger issues than being an entry level employee
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Post by truthbearer2014 on Nov 12, 2014 13:22:54 GMT -5
Hey everyone go to Fox41 and click on the (red) button and check out the story about Ford, Voith, etc. and news about the new Ford aluminum F-150. It was on the news yesterday. Part of it sounds like good news for us
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Post by fordworker95 on Nov 12, 2014 13:42:42 GMT -5
I'm sorry, what does that have to do with the union acknowledged facts from my original post? Im not trying to be rude but are you serious? This constitution has had shit smeared on it and rubbed on the mens bathroom floor in 46 isle at least 1000 times! WOW! Read it yourself and tell me what the IUAW or local UAW has stuck too. Please. Hey, I'm not trying to be rude either,but I think your talking about the CBA and not the constitution. They are two separate things, and it "the constitution " explains what the duties of leadership and rank and file members are.
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Post by blackbird66 on Nov 12, 2014 14:17:05 GMT -5
Im not trying to be rude but are you serious? This constitution has had shit smeared on it and rubbed on the mens bathroom floor in 46 isle at least 1000 times! WOW! Read it yourself and tell me what the IUAW or local UAW has stuck too. Please. Hey, I'm not trying to be rude either,but I think your talking about the CBA and not the constitution. They are two separate things, and it "the constitution " explains what the duties of leadership and rank and file members are. Our representatives being employed by FoMoCo, and not us, is a legal conflict of interest. The IUAW being a major shareholder, and therefore part owner of FoMoCo created another legal conflict of interest. It becomes in the IUAWs best interest to take care of that interest they own in FoMoCo. As for the lawsuit brought against the UAW...... I don't have enough information to have an informed opinion.
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Post by fordworker95 on Nov 12, 2014 15:21:09 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not trying to be rude either,but I think your talking about the CBA and not the constitution. They are two separate things, and it "the constitution " explains what the duties of leadership and rank and file members are. Our representatives being employed by FoMoCo, and not us, is a legal conflict of interest. The IUAW being a major shareholder, and therefore part owner of FoMoCo created another legal conflict of interest. It becomes in the IUAWs best interest to take care of that interest they own in FoMoCo. As for the lawsuit brought against the UAW...... I don't have enough information to have an informed opinion. The executive board of IUAW is paid by the membership and consists of leaders from many locations not just ford,Our newly elected president did not come from Ford,GM, or Chrysler.
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Post by blackbird66 on Nov 12, 2014 17:02:39 GMT -5
Our representatives being employed by FoMoCo, and not us, is a legal conflict of interest. The IUAW being a major shareholder, and therefore part owner of FoMoCo created another legal conflict of interest. It becomes in the IUAWs best interest to take care of that interest they own in FoMoCo. As for the lawsuit brought against the UAW...... I don't have enough information to have an informed opinion. The executive board of IUAW is paid by the membership and consists of leaders from many locations not just ford,Our newly elected president did not come from Ford,GM, or Chrysler. That is correct. The IUAW is also a large shareholder of FoMoCo stock.
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Post by lap65 on Nov 12, 2014 22:57:52 GMT -5
Yep two tier has been handed everything alright. An unfair wage that before you say it we new about, shitty insurance, and shitty retirement. And then you say we dont deserve a 9$ pay raise to be up to your level? We've paid our dues just like you all. A lot of us have close to 3 yrs in just like you all had when you were raised to full pay. Hopefully new contract has equal pay equal work in it. If not when RTW eventually passes I would imagine a lot of two tier will sign up. I wonder if the reaction to two tier would be different if it was only women and minorities under that umbrella? What?!?!? Women & minorities??? What in the world does that have to do with anything we are talking about?
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Post by justaworker on Nov 12, 2014 23:15:04 GMT -5
Yep two tier has been handed everything alright. An unfair wage that before you say it we new about, shitty insurance, and shitty retirement. And then you say we dont deserve a 9$ pay raise to be up to your level? We've paid our dues just like you all. A lot of us have close to 3 yrs in just like you all had when you were raised to full pay. Hopefully new contract has equal pay equal work in it. If not when RTW eventually passes I would imagine a lot of two tier will sign up. I wonder if the reaction to two tier would be different if it was only women and minorities under that umbrella? Like I've been trying to tell you, if you got a $9 raise... You would be on the street. The only reason we have 3 crews is because of the two tier wage and a large number of employees working at a substantially lower labor cost. If we were all topped out at legacy rate, we would be on two shifts working alot of overtime..... Just like we used to do. We made more explorers then, than we make escapes now. Didnt need a 3rd crew to do it then, don't now. We have it now, because it's cheaper labor.
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Post by zj on Nov 13, 2014 10:45:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately this article will not get any sympathy frm the john q public. As we all know the public believes we are overpaid and spoiled . Yes this includes legacy and two tier. The public doesnt care what u get or dont get . They will always say its more than other people have . And that if u dont like the way it is . The john q public will tell u to quit and b in the real world. Outsiders read this article and think all we do is complain. Unfortunately thats how it happens when articles go in the paper.
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